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12:48:49 <laurent_csiro> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
12:48:49 <Zakim> ok, laurent_csiro; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
12:49:02 <laurent_csiro> Meeting:  SSN XG
12:49:15 <laurent_csiro> Chair: Laurent
12:49:41 <laurent_csiro> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Sep/0019.html
12:50:14 <laurent_csiro> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-ssn-minutes.html 
12:51:11 <laurent_csiro> Regrets:   Michael, Oscar
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12:53:30 <Danh_DERI> hi Laurent and Alex
12:54:35 <Payam> Payam has joined #SSN
12:55:13 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
12:55:21 <Zakim> + +975921aaaa
12:56:16 <Danh_DERI> Zakim : + +975921aaaa is me
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12:57:11 <Zakim> +??P1
12:57:27 <laurent_csiro> zakim, ??P1 is me
12:57:27 <Zakim> +laurent_csiro; got it
12:58:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:58:46 <Payam> zakim, IPCaller is me
12:58:46 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
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13:01:55 <Zakim> +??P5
13:02:30 <Arthur> zakim, ??P5 is me
13:02:30 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
13:02:37 <Zakim> + +44.190.827.aabb
13:02:49 <Andriy> zakim, aabb is me
13:02:49 <Zakim> +Andriy; got it
13:03:06 <laurent_csiro> zakim, who's making noise?
13:03:16 <Zakim> laurent_csiro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +975921aaaa (81%), laurent_csiro (39%)
13:04:58 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aacc
13:05:21 <laurent_csiro> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:05:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see +975921aaaa, laurent_csiro, Payam, Arthur, Andriy, +1.937.775.aacc
13:05:51 <Amit> Amit has joined #ssn
13:06:15 <Zakim> + +44.239.220.aadd
13:06:18 <laurent_csiro> zakim, 1.975921aaaa is Danh
13:06:19 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_csiro, I do not recognize a party named '1.975921aaaa'
13:06:24 <laurent_csiro> zakim, 975921aaaa is Danh
13:06:24 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_csiro, I do not recognize a party named '975921aaaa'
13:06:26 <krp> zakim, +44.239.220.aadd
13:06:26 <Zakim> I don't understand '+44.239.220.aadd', krp
13:06:27 <Pramod> Pramod has joined #SSN
13:06:31 <krp> zakim, +44.239.220.aadd is me
13:06:31 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:06:48 <laurent_csiro> zakim, +1.975921aaaa is Danh
13:06:48 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_csiro, I do not recognize a party named '+1.975921aaaa'
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13:11:53 <laurent_csiro> Scribenick: Cory 
13:12:15 <laurent_csiro> Top: Recommendations to be issued by the XG
13:13:31 <cory> Laurent: Work should be continued within W3C, but development environment outside W3C
13:14:29 <Amit> W3c submission will need to adhere to royalty free license terms
13:14:34 <cory> Amit: Should be within W3C as long as there are no proprietary conflicts
13:15:35 <Amit> If we are building on specific exisiting work, then they may have to agree to w3c policy
13:16:11 <Amit> most EU projects will spport using W3C as a vehicle
13:16:53 <cory> Laurent: in short term, publish W3C submission
13:18:43 <myriam> +q
13:18:54 <cory> Laurent: Discussing where the ontology will be hosted and maintained
13:19:22 <laurent_csiro> ack Myriam
13:21:05 <Amit> part of the SSN submission can provide a snapshot and then continue beyond
13:21:52 <cory> Laurent: most of work left for submission includes paperwork and signatures, probably don't need any new conceptual work
13:22:10 <krp> Ok, I see, we could support submission paperwork through the University of Southampton membership
13:22:25 <krp> and I presume Oscar could also support through UPM
13:22:54 <Amit> +q 
13:23:12 <laurent_csiro> ack Amit
13:23:42 <cory> Amit: should we develop use cases integrating with other common ontologies
13:24:34 <cory> Amit: also use cases with tools (e.g., an annotation tool) and linked data
13:26:39 <cory> Laurent: submission includes ontology, with tools and integration to other ontologies should be left to greater community
13:28:11 <cory> +q
13:28:17 <laurent_csiro> ack cory 
13:29:23 <cory> Laurent: who here is involved with provenance XG?
13:30:07 <Amit> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/W3C_Provenance_Incubator_Group_Wiki
13:30:52 <Amit> Satya Sahoo from my group is W3C official liaison
13:32:47 <Payam> so do we
13:34:07 <Payam> European Telecom. Standards Institute
13:34:08 <cory> Laurent: there are topics (with W3C and other groups) we have not covered ... how should we align with these topics?
13:34:41 <Payam> I did
13:35:33 <myriam> me by both
13:35:48 <cory> several members also interested in internet of things
13:37:49 <cory> Amit: If there is interest, integration/alignment with IOT at W3C is not difficult
13:39:37 <cory> Amit: should not focus on mobile web or IOT, focus should be general ontology of sensors and leave specific extension to another group
13:41:16 <cory> Laurent: actuators, mobile sensors, etc. may be important to model
13:41:55 <myriam> sorry, Off topic: there's Andres from DERI actually involved in the Provenance-XG and another guy working on that but not yet included in the incubator group (Fabrizio)
13:44:01 <Payam> I also think that we should keep IoT related topics separated from the current sensor ontology development
13:44:09 <cory> Laurent: integration with other topics is unclear, discussion should continue at another time
13:44:25 <laurent_csiro> Topic: QCR
13:45:59 <cory> Laurent: Discussion of whether the ontology should include QCR, or should we postpone this addition until after submission (and continued discussion)
13:47:53 <cory> DOLCE does not use QCR
13:49:42 <cory> Laurent: If we use QCR, then we should clearly document how it is used and provide examples
13:50:54 <krp> So I've just found that note on QCR in an email... I'll go over it with Raul when he gets here as I think he'll be more familiar with the change Michael made (which isn't referenced directly in the email?)
13:51:21 <cory> Topic: Editing deliverable
13:51:22 <laurent_csiro> Topic: Editing the deliverables
13:52:44 <cory> Laurent: How do we specify who is an author and/or editor of report?
13:52:54 <laurent_csiro> Authorship guidelines from another working group at W3C: http://esw.w3.org/HCLSIG/Authorship 
13:53:06 <Zakim> -Danh_DERI
13:54:16 <cory> Laurent: Do we include project funding acknowledgements?
13:54:24 <Zakim> + +1.858.388.aaee
13:54:52 <Danh_DERI> it's me,Zakim
13:55:20 <cory> Amit: yes
13:55:21 <laurent_csiro> Particpant projects: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Participants
13:56:30 <laurent_csiro> s/Particpant/Participant/
13:56:32 <cory> Amit: link to participant page in submission
13:56:53 <Payam> Surrey and SENSEiI does not appear on the page
13:56:57 <laurent_csiro> Action: Danh to add the description of DERI's project in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Participants
13:56:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Add the description of DERI's project in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Participants [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2010-10-05].
13:57:40 <cory> Amit: add supporting organizations to participant page
13:57:50 <laurent_csiro> Add: Payam to add description of SENSEI project in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Participants
13:57:54 <Amit> See section 5 of http://www.w3.org/Submission/SA-REST/
13:58:14 <laurent_csiro> s/Add:/Action:/
14:00:22 <cory> +q
14:00:31 <laurent_csiro> Ack Cory
14:02:01 <cory> Laurent: We should keep markup section in combined deliverable
14:02:26 <Zakim> -Andriy
14:02:56 <cory> Topic: Formatting of report
14:03:31 <cory> Topic: closing the XG, how many more meetings do we need?
14:04:17 <Amit> let us wrap up in 2 week max?
14:05:13 <cory> Amit: I will help review
14:05:16 <Arthur> I can help with the review too
14:05:24 <Amit> cory wil be supporting writing
14:05:32 <Danh_DERI> I can help with review as well
14:05:39 <Danh_DERI> Myriam, how about you?
14:06:03 <cory> Amit: Can we have a draft open for comments in 2 weeks?
14:06:04 <myriam> me, too
14:06:26 <cory> Laurent: draft by end of next week
14:06:48 <Amit> Last call now for any substantial issue by the end of this week
14:07:28 <myriam> s/me, too/me, too: I'll help with review
14:07:58 <Payam> I can help with the review
14:08:01 <Andriy> i can help with the review of the sections i'm not involved in, too
14:08:22 <myriam> I can help in reviewing the Andriy's sections
14:09:06 <laurent_csiro> Topic: AOB
14:11:25 <Zakim> -Payam
14:11:27 <Zakim> -krp
14:11:31 <krp> Thanks, bye
14:11:39 <Payam> thanks, bye
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14:13:03 <Danh_DERI> bye
14:13:11 <Danh_DERI> i;m here
14:13:14 <myriam> I'm here
14:13:30 <Arthur> bye
14:13:37 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:17:24 <Arthur> I also thought to go through the checklists and add a "(TODO)" behind points which still are empty, to see what  is still missing.
14:21:45 <myriam> bye
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14:22:15 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:35:03 <Zakim> - +1.858.388.aaee
14:44:53 <Zakim> -laurent_csiro
14:45:36 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aacc
14:45:37 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:45:38 <Zakim> Attendees were laurent_csiro, Payam, Arthur, +44.190.827.aabb, Andriy, +1.937.775.aacc, krp, Danh_DERI, [IPcaller], +1.858.388.aaee
15:33:11 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, make log public
15:33:11 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:33:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
15:33:18 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, make log public
15:35:55 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please generate minutes
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
15:46:47 <laurent_csiro> zakim, bye
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15:46:53 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, bye
15:46:53 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-ssn-actions.rdf :
15:46:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Danh to add the description of DERI's project in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Participants [1]
15:46:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-ssn-irc#T13-56-57