14:00:00 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 14:00:01 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-rdfa-irc 14:00:02 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:00:02 Zakim has joined #rdfa 14:00:04 Zakim, this will be 7332 14:00:04 ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start now 14:00:05 Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference 14:00:06 Date: 23 September 2010 14:00:14 zakim, dial steven-617 14:00:14 ok, Steven; the call is being made 14:00:15 SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 14:00:16 +Steven 14:01:27 zakim, dial ivan-voip 14:01:33 ok, ivan; the call is being made 14:01:35 +Ivan 14:02:08 +??P19 14:02:14 zakim, I am ??P19 14:02:14 +manu1; got it 14:03:21 + +49.631.205.75.aaaa 14:03:39 manu1 has changed the topic to: RDFa Telecon Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Sep/0125.html (manu1) 14:03:41 zakim, aaaa is Benjamin 14:03:41 +Benjamin; got it 14:04:53 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 14:05:11 +ShaneM 14:06:54 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Sep/0125.html 14:06:58 Chair: Manu 14:07:19 Present: Ivan, Steven, Benjamin, Manu 14:07:28 Regrets: MarkB 14:07:37 Present: Ivan, Steven, Benjamin, Manu, Shane 14:08:30 Topic: Discussion about RDFa talk 14:08:57 Benjamin: There was a question about further annotating stuff in RDFa in XML3D? 14:09:13 Ivan: We could put the data in SVG metadata tag. 14:09:39 scribenick: Benjamin 14:09:40 scribe: Benjamin 14:16:03 Topic: ISSUE-41: Under-defined processor graph vocabulary 14:16:14 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/41 14:16:44 manu1: Talked to Mark about this issue. Agreed about an RDFa Processor Graph 14:17:08 ... also agreed about the vocabulary to be out of scope here. 14:18:05 q+ 14:18:11 ack 14:18:13 ... implementors are interested in this vocabulary. Therefore is it still out of scope? 14:18:55 Shane: I disagree that it's out of scope. 14:18:57 ivan: The vocabulary is not out of scope, but the group could not find a consensus about defining the vocabulary. 14:19:53 ... we have other issues to solve and shuld not re-open the issue about the vocabulary 14:20:58 -> http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0915Berlin-KB/ What do they do with my RDFa? 14:25:40 manu1: Ivan will add the vocabulary he already defined and will send it around the mailing list. 14:26:58 manu1: we close issue 41 14:27:04 Topic: ISSUE-45: @cite and @longdesc support 14:27:14 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/45 14:27:46 manu1: It's about generating triples about longdesc and cite 14:28:19 q+ 14:28:27 ... do we support the attributes @longdesc and @cite? 14:29:37 Shane: We always meant to support these attributes. It's simple to implement. 14:30:54 ack 14:31:09 Steven: Metadata elements in HTML such as title should conatin markup. 14:31:16 Ivan: I am against it 14:32:21 ... it will raise too much effort. 14:33:17 -Benjamin 14:34:21 +Benjamin 14:35:00 Manu: I don't think we should support @longdesc or @cite (fill in later) 14:35:29 ISSUE-16: RDF Collections 14:35:29 ISSUE-16 Determine if there is a good way of supporting RDF Collections notes added 14:37:33 manu1: Is it ok to vote via mail list? 14:37:34 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/16 14:37:34 -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/ContainersAndCollections Ivan's proposal 14:37:43 group agrees 14:37:47 s/vote/close issues/ 14:39:57 Shane: Can't I generate tiples about RDF Collections by using e.g., @typeof rdf:Seq? 14:40:55 Ivan: List may cause problems. You have to build up the list manually which is too complicated in RDFa 14:41:16 q+ to discuss linked data cloud 14:41:19 ack 14:41:28 -Steven 14:42:01 q+ 14:42:04 q+ 14:42:20 ack 14:42:22 ack ivan 14:42:23 zakim, dial steven-617 14:42:24 ack manu1 14:42:24 ok, Steven; the call is being made 14:42:26 +Steven 14:42:26 q+ 14:42:27 manu1, you wanted to discuss linked data cloud 14:42:43 ack Benjamin 14:43:01 ack ivan 14:43:34 Benjamin: These features are very useful - they just have bad support thus far 14:43:36 manu1: We don't need to support this feature because no one is using SEQ, AALT, BAG. 14:44:08 s/AALT/ALT/ 14:44:52 q+ 14:44:55 q+ to say that we don't disallow this stuff 14:45:51 Ivan: OWL is using lists ver much. 14:45:54 ack Benjamin 14:46:14 ack manu1 14:46:14 manu1, you wanted to say that we don't disallow this stuff 14:47:16 manu1: The issue is just to make it easier in RDFA to model lists and similar structures 14:50:18 ivan1: we should separate the ISSUE into: Is it worth to simlifier it in generally; Is the solution in the wiki OK 14:50:54 s/ivan1/ivan/ 14:51:16 Steven: It would be nice to do it 14:52:34 Shane: If we have the energy, we should solve it 14:52:39 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/ContainersAndCollections#Transformation_Examples 14:52:54 manu1: we should not simplify it 14:54:57 q+ to discuss LC timeline 14:55:17 ack 14:56:23 manu1: Our last call is in 5 weeks. We have not enough time do make such a major change. 14:57:21 q+ to discuss schedule 14:57:25 ack manu1 14:57:25 manu1, you wanted to discuss LC timeline 14:57:44 manu1: based on the timeline, should we skip this or not? 14:58:16 ack ShaneM 14:58:17 ShaneM, you wanted to discuss schedule 14:59:20 ivan: it's nearly finished and nobody spoke against the solution in the maining list. I already implemeted it. 14:59:44 shane: I don't want to change or schedule. 15:00:04 q+ to end the call 15:00:13 ivan: First priority should be the format of profile files 15:00:16 ack 15:00:30 manu1: three issues are left 15:03:13 manu1: We start with literal or non literal in profiles, as necessary for supporting the Open Graph Protocol 15:03:20 zakim, drop me 15:03:20 Ivan is being disconnected 15:03:22 -Ivan 15:03:22 -Steven 15:03:24 -manu1 15:03:29 -Benjamin 15:03:30 SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 15:03:32 Attendees were Steven, Ivan, manu1, +49.631.205.75.aaaa, Benjamin, ShaneM 15:04:37 no problem, thanks for scribing :) 15:05:13 You did a really good job in refining the examples in the RDFa API 15:06:16 good, glad to hear that - they still need a bit more refining, but hopefully it's a bit more clear now. 16:02:30 ivan has joined #rdfa 16:14:43 manu1 has left #rdfa 17:31:50 Zakim has left #rdfa 19:20:42 ShaneM has joined #rdfa