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13:46:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:46:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:46:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
13:46:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:46:15 <trackbot> Date: 22 September 2010
13:46:47 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Sep/0122.html
13:47:25 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:47:34 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:47:44 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morris
13:49:15 <Mohammed> Mohammed has joined #dap
13:56:51 <fjh> Regrets+ Thomas_Roessler
13:57:28 <Claes> Claes has joined #dap
13:58:11 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:58:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:58:23 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:58:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:58:45 <Zakim> +darobin
13:58:50 <darobin> yo, Zakim
13:58:55 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
13:59:26 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
13:59:37 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:59:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin
13:59:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, arve, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
13:59:43 <fjh> s/yo, Zakim//
14:00:18 <Zakim> +ilkka
14:00:38 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
14:01:34 <AnssiK> AnssiK has joined #dap
14:01:42 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:01:47 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aaaa
14:02:03 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is Claes
14:02:07 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
14:02:17 <Zakim> +AnssiK
14:02:31 <Zakim> +??P22
14:02:48 <dom> zakim, code?
14:02:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
14:03:22 <Dong-Young> Dong-Young has joined #dap
14:03:38 <Dong-Young> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
14:04:01 <fjh> zakim, ?P22 is Dong-Young
14:04:01 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'
14:04:14 <fjh> member:zakim, ??P22 is member:Dong-Young
14:04:26 <fjh> zakim, ??P22 is Dong-Young
14:04:26 <Zakim> +Dong-Young; got it
14:04:33 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, Claes, AnssiK, Dong-Young
14:04:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dong-Young, AnssiK, Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, arve, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:04:51 <maoteo> maoteo has joined #dap
14:05:05 <maoteo> Present+ Maria_Oteo
14:05:19 <Zakim> +Damien
14:05:26 <dom> Zakim, Damien is really me
14:05:26 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:05:33 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:05:48 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, Claes, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom
14:05:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see maoteo, Dong-Young, AnssiK, Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, arve, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:06:22 <Zakim> + +34.97.421.aabb
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14:06:29 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
14:06:37 <Zakim> + +33.5.61.30.aacc
14:06:46 <darobin> Zakim, aacc is Mohammed 
14:06:46 <maoteo> zakim, aabb is maoteo
14:06:51 <Zakim> +Mohammed; got it
14:06:52 <Zakim> +maoteo; got it
14:06:59 <darobin> Scribe: Maria
14:07:00 <Mohammed> Present+ Mohammed_Dadas
14:07:04 <darobin> ScribeNick: maoteo 
14:07:25 <richt> richt has joined #dap
14:07:35 <fjh> next F2F WG questionnaire and TPAC registration and information
14:07:35 <fjh> WG questionnaire (for all),  http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/
14:07:35 <fjh> TPAC registration (for in-person attendees) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
14:07:49 <maoteo> TOPIC: ANNOUNCEMENTS
14:07:58 <maoteo> No further announcements
14:08:01 <Zakim> + +44.757.091.aadd
14:08:10 <maoteo> TOPIC: Minutes Approval
14:08:12 <fjh> Approve 15 September minutes
14:08:12 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Sep/att-0079/minutes-2010-09-15.html
14:08:12 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 Sept 2010 approved
14:08:14 <richt> zakim, aadd is me
14:08:14 <Zakim> +richt; got it
14:08:21 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:08:24 <dom> (there are quite a few people that have said they would attend TPAC in the DAP questionnaire but haven't registered in the official TPAC registration)
14:08:26 <maoteo> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 Sept 2010 approved
14:08:40 <maoteo> TOPIC: Device Permissions
14:08:58 <fjh> Draft revised,  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Sep/0096.html 
14:09:06 <maoteo> fjh: what are the next steps?
14:09:40 <fjh> need to relate to widget features
14:09:56 <maoteo> dom: need to clarify the relationship with the widget specs
14:10:18 <maoteo> ... close to a FPWD
14:10:40 <maoteo> ... we should go for a call for consensus unless anybody has specific concerns
14:10:53 <maoteo> fjh: suggest going for the call for consensus
14:11:20 <maoteo> ... 1 or 2 week CfC?
14:11:34 <maoteo> dom: 1 week is what we use to do
14:12:11 <fjh> shortname api-perms
14:12:21 <maoteo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Send Call for Consensus for the Device Permissions FPWD
14:12:47 <maoteo> RESOLUTION: Send Call for Consensus (1 week) for the Device Permissions FPWD 
14:12:50 <fjh> suggest adding, with shortname api-perms
14:13:31 <maoteo> s/Device Permissions/Device Permissions with shortname api-perms
14:13:31 <fjh> action: fjh to send CfC for Device Permissions
14:13:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-272 - Send CfC for Device Permissions [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-29].
14:13:48 <Zakim> +Suresh
14:13:49 <maoteo> TOPIC: Privacy
14:13:50 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:13:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, Claes, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom, maoteo, Mohammed, richt, Suresh
14:13:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see richt, Dzung_Tran, maoteo, Dong-Young, AnssiK, Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:14:13 <fjh> ACTION-210?
14:14:13 <trackbot> ACTION-210 -- Alissa Cooper to summarize and add issues to ruleset doc -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN
14:14:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/210
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14:14:31 <fjh> action: fjh to contact Alissa offline re ACTION-210
14:14:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-273 - Contact Alissa offline re ACTION-210 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-29].
14:15:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:15:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, Claes, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom, maoteo, Mohammed, richt, Suresh
14:15:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Suresh, richt, Dzung_Tran, maoteo, Dong-Young, AnssiK, Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:15:19 <maoteo> TOPIC: Contacts
14:15:30 <Suresh> Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
14:15:43 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/mid/AANLkTinBThDFTvVpe9-quvZpb2pCOwLkz31mO1o=L=01@mail.gmail.com -> Rich's message
14:15:45 <maoteo> richt: We have been working in HTML integration
14:16:12 <fjh> draft "HTML Contact Sharing" -> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/HTML.html
14:16:20 <maoteo> ... the idea is having both HTML access and programmatic access with the same security
14:16:36 <Zakim> -Claes
14:16:38 <maoteo> darobin: what is the biggest advantage of this approach?
14:17:00 <maoteo> richt: one left click for the user, very intuitive
14:17:11 <maoteo> ... single click for accessing the data
14:17:24 <Zakim> +Claes
14:17:36 <maoteo> darobin: any details about implementation?
14:17:42 <maoteo> richt: it is still very early
14:17:44 <dom> (looks pretty good to me at a glance; the big flag is regarding <device>)
14:18:06 <dom> ACTION-223?
14:18:06 <trackbot> ACTION-223 -- Robin Berjon to pick up the thread on <device> -- due 2010-07-22 -- OPEN
14:18:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/223
14:18:12 <darobin> [ditto]
14:19:52 <maoteo> darobin: PeningOp, not all the specs use PendingOp. When should a spec use PendingOp?
14:20:58 <maoteo> richt: Contact is more aligned with Geolocation than with XHR
14:21:01 <Zakim> -maoteo
14:21:26 <maoteo> sorry, I've been dropped from the call
14:21:36 <maoteo> trying to rejoin
14:21:37 <ilkka> q+
14:21:51 <darobin> ack ilkka 
14:22:00 <darobin> RB: I'm a bit confused as to when it's useful and not
14:22:08 <darobin> ilkka: I would like to know too
14:22:18 <Zakim> +maoteo
14:22:27 <darobin> ... especially given dependencies on OS
14:22:34 <darobin> ... it should be easy to build APIs, this might be an issue
14:23:04 <dom> (asking the HTML WG sounds like a reasonable next step)
14:23:05 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to ask HTML WG about task queues
14:23:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-274 - Ask HTML WG about task queues [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-09-29].
14:23:46 <Marcos> Marcos has joined #dap
14:23:47 <dom> zakim, who's on the call?
14:23:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom, Mohammed, richt, Suresh, Claes, maoteo
14:23:52 <dom> zakim, mute 11
14:23:52 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not know which phone connection belongs to 11
14:24:03 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:24:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom, Mohammed, richt, Suresh, Claes, maoteo
14:24:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Marcos, Suresh, richt, Dzung_Tran, maoteo, Dong-Young, AnssiK, Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:24:13 <darobin> Zakim, mute maoteo 
14:24:13 <Zakim> maoteo should now be muted
14:25:04 <maoteo> darobin: Depending on the feedback from HTML WG we should take a decision about PendingOp
14:25:44 <darobin> ACTION: Rich to review the delta between Contacts API and Mozilla's implementation http://www.w3.org/mid/1E15AA20-0551-49AB-B07D-19A0784E0316@mozilla.com
14:25:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Rich
14:25:46 <maoteo> richt: mozilla implementation has changed, it would be interesting to assess the delta between the contacts api and mozilla implementation
14:25:52 <darobin> ACTION: Richard to review the delta between Contacts API and Mozilla's implementation http://www.w3.org/mid/1E15AA20-0551-49AB-B07D-19A0784E0316@mozilla.com
14:25:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Review the delta between Contacts API and Mozilla's implementation http://www.w3.org/mid/1E15AA20-0551-49AB-B07D-19A0784E0316@mozilla.com [on Richard Tibbett - due 2010-09-29].
14:26:10 <maoteo> TOPIC: Capture
14:26:18 <Marcos> Marcos has joined #dap
14:26:43 <maoteo> darobin: API is ready for publication
14:26:44 <dom> q+ to propose updating html-capture at the same time
14:26:57 <maoteo> ... we can go ahead with the publication
14:27:15 <maoteo> ilkka: correct, the only open issue is what is the expected behaviour of cancel
14:27:26 <darobin> ack dom 
14:27:26 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to propose updating html-capture at the same time
14:27:26 <dom> (it should probably be flagged as an issue in the doc itself, if it isn't yet)
14:27:58 <maoteo> dom: we may also publish at the same time an update of the other capture document 
14:28:05 <dom> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/
14:28:41 <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: publish both Media Capture API and HTML Media Capture
14:28:51 <maoteo> ... especially because of the dependencies between both documents
14:28:52 <darobin> RESOLUTION: publish both Media Capture API and HTML Media Capture
14:29:09 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to handle the Media* drafts publications
14:29:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-276 - Handle the Media* drafts publications [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-09-29].
14:29:32 <maoteo> TOPIC: Calendar
14:29:49 <maoteo> darobin: no recent activity on this API
14:30:09 <maoteo> TOPIC: SysInfo
14:30:17 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:30:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, darobin, ilkka, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom, Mohammed, richt, Suresh, Claes, maoteo (muted)
14:30:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Marcos, Suresh, richt, Dzung_Tran, maoteo, Dong-Young, AnssiK, Claes, Mohammed, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, wmaslowski, tlr, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:30:22 <maoteo> darobin: I have starated a review of the API, detected a couple of bugs
14:30:32 <dom> s/stara/star/
14:30:34 <maoteo> ... but nothing that we should discuss today
14:31:09 <dom> (there is a new workshop announced)
14:31:27 <maoteo> TOPIC: AOB
14:31:34 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/News/2010#entry-8902 Other workshop on privac
14:31:41 <darobin> s/privac/privacy/
14:31:51 <maoteo> darobin: there is a privacy workshop confirmed (will take place in Boston)
14:32:03 <maoteo> darobin: who is coordinating?
14:32:05 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/News/2010#entry-8902
14:32:14 <maoteo> fjh: Thomas is coordinating the workshop
14:32:33 <Zakim> -darobin
14:32:35 <Zakim> -richt
14:32:36 <Zakim> -Mohammed
14:32:37 <Zakim> -dom
14:32:41 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:32:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:32:41 <Zakim> -Suresh
14:32:43 <Zakim> -maoteo
14:32:56 <Zakim> -Claes
14:32:59 <Zakim> -Dong-Young
14:33:00 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:33:05 <Zakim> -fjh
14:33:53 <Zakim> -ilkka
14:33:54 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:33:56 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, darobin, ilkka, +46.1.08.01.aaaa, Claes, AnssiK, Dong-Young, dom, +34.97.421.aabb, +33.5.61.30.aacc, Mohammed, maoteo, +44.757.091.aadd, richt, Suresh
14:34:45 <dom> Zakim, bye
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14:36:13 <fjh> s/ANNOUNCEMENTS/Announcements
14:36:58 <fjh> s/with shortname api-perms FPWD/FPWD having shortname api-perms
14:38:08 <fjh> s/coordinating the workshop/one of the workshop organizers
14:38:23 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:38:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:38:48 <darobin> the problem with coordinating with the HTML WG is that I feel that before writing to them I should read the 1500 messages I have in that box
14:39:03 <fjh> s/member:zakim, ??P22 is member:Dong-Young/
14:39:20 <fjh> rragent, generate minutes
14:39:43 <fjh> s/rragent, generate minutes//
14:39:48 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:39:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-dap-minutes.html fjh
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14:40:37 <fjh>  http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-dap-minutes.html fjh