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20:04:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
20:04:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()4:00PM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
20:04:57 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:04:57 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2010
20:05:00 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has now started
20:05:02 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:05:08 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:06:51 <Zakim> +??P1
20:07:04 <ed> Zakim, ??P1 is me
20:07:04 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:07:30 <ed> the agenda was more or less to work on actions, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0130.html
20:07:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:07:52 <anthony> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
20:07:52 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
20:09:18 <ed> Zakim, who is noisy?
20:09:28 <Zakim> ed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (59%), anthony (10%), Shepazu (30%)
20:09:42 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:09:50 <shepazu> Zakim, who is noisy?
20:10:02 <Zakim> shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ed (32%), anthony (36%), Shepazu (19%)
20:10:18 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:10:57 <shepazu> scribe: shepazu 
20:11:11 <shepazu> Topic: Sandy Roberts from Microsoft
20:11:47 <shepazu> SR: I work for MS, and I'm involved in testing
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20:12:57 <shepazu> shepazu: Kris Krueger (also Microsoft) and Philippe Le Hégaret are heading up the HTML Testing Task Force
20:13:34 <shepazu> ... and it would be good for us to work with them to put the SVG tests in the same repository, with the same template
20:14:35 <shepazu> ed: I don't think that's a good idea for the SVG 1.1 timeframe, but it would be good going forward
20:16:48 <shepazu> anthony: since we decided to have links between the tests and the spec, where should the links point?
20:17:23 <shepazu> shepazu: I would expect that they would point to the shared repository
20:17:52 <shepazu> ed: Opera looked at the test.w3.org frameworks, and it's not that hard to port the tests
20:18:23 <shepazu> ... most of the JS tests would be easy to port to the automated framework
20:18:38 <shepazu> ... we could do that on our on repository for now, in preparation
20:19:12 <shepazu> ... I could check those templates in, if we want
20:19:18 <shepazu> shepazu: I encourage that
20:20:19 <shepazu> anthony: what about standalone SVG vendors that only want the SVG tests?
20:21:02 <shepazu> shepazu: I don't know the details, but I think it should be easy to extract them
20:21:20 <shepazu> ... maybe an SVG branch in the main repository
20:21:30 <shepazu> ed: yes, we need to discuss this
20:22:19 <shepazu> action: shepazu to invite Kris and PLH to talk about testing next Tuesday
20:22:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2874 - Invite Kris and PLH to talk about testing next Tuesday [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-09-28].
20:22:51 <shepazu> anthony: what's the rationale behind combining them?
20:25:51 <shepazu> shepazu: uniformity of format, easy to catch gaps in compound document coverage
20:26:39 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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20:30:17 <anthony> scribe: anthony
20:30:26 <anthony> Topic: ACTION-2871
20:30:36 <ed> ACTION-2871?
20:30:36 <trackbot> ACTION-2871 -- Anthony Grasso to investigate how to get dominant baseline -- due 2010-09-21 -- CLOSED
20:30:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2871
20:31:04 <anthony> AG: I was given an action investigate how to dominant baseline information
20:31:27 <anthony> ... finished my investigation
20:31:28 <anthony> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2871
20:31:45 <anthony> ... results are in the link
20:32:50 <anthony> ... so if you can't get the baseline information from the font
20:33:02 <anthony> ... then SVG user agents should have a built in table
20:33:09 <anthony> ED: What's that table based on?
20:33:15 <anthony> ... is it in the spec?
20:33:23 <anthony> AG: That table is not in the spec
20:35:59 <anthony> ... The idea is to look at the Unicode range and map that to a script type
20:36:16 <anthony> ... then use the script type to determine what the dominant baseline should be
20:36:31 <anthony> ED: Does xml:lang effect that?
20:36:32 <anthony> AG: Not sure
20:37:56 <anthony> ED: HTML overrides I think
20:38:05 <anthony> AG: Could wind up with funny results
20:38:15 <anthony> s/wind/end/
20:38:22 <ed> s/HTML/HTML lang/
20:39:49 <anthony> ACTION: Eric to Ask if HTML has advanced dominant baseline positioning similar to SVG
20:39:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Eric
20:39:57 <anthony> ACTION: Erik to Ask if HTML has advanced dominant baseline positioning similar to SVG
20:39:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2875 - Ask if HTML has advanced dominant baseline positioning similar to SVG [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-09-28].
20:40:31 <anthony> AG: I've closed the action item
20:40:37 <anthony> ... because I felt it was complted
20:40:45 <anthony> s/complted/completed/
20:40:54 <anthony> ED: Could you copy and paste the information from the wiki
20:41:03 <anthony> ... it's not very well defined
20:41:07 <anthony> ... and would be useful for SVG 2
20:41:30 <ed> s/from the wiki/to the wiki/
20:41:50 <anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Put up investigation findings from ACTION-2871 on the wiki page
20:41:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2876 - Put up investigation findings from ACTION-2871 on the wiki page [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-09-28].
20:41:51 <ed> s/well defined/well defined in SVG 1.1/
20:44:34 <anthony> Topic: Integration Table Generation
20:44:50 <anthony> AG: Just about finished the property table merge script
20:45:08 <anthony> ... just need to get it to write out the HTML for the table now
20:51:09 <anthony> Topic: Telcon
20:51:20 <anthony> DS: Thursday time is not suitable for Anthony
20:51:28 <anthony> AG: I prefer to get up early than stay up late
20:51:48 <anthony> ... is it possible to have the Thursday telcon around the sametime as the Tuesday one?
20:51:54 <anthony> ED: I'm ok with it
20:52:34 <Zakim> -ed
20:52:36 <Zakim> -anthony
20:52:46 <Zakim> -Shepazu
20:52:47 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has ended
20:52:48 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, [Microsoft], ed, anthony
20:53:20 <anthony> trackbot, end telcon
20:53:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
20:53:20 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
20:53:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:53:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-svg-minutes.html trackbot
20:53:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
20:53:22 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-svg-actions.rdf :
20:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to invite Kris and PLH to talk about testing next Tuesday [1]
20:53:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-svg-irc#T20-22-19
20:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric to Ask if HTML has advanced dominant baseline positioning similar to SVG [2]
20:53:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-svg-irc#T20-39-49
20:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to Ask if HTML has advanced dominant baseline positioning similar to SVG [3]
20:53:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-svg-irc#T20-39-57
20:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Anthony to Put up investigation findings from ACTION-2871 on the wiki page [4]
20:53:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-svg-irc#T20-41-50