IRC log of mediaann on 2010-09-21

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zakim, this will be mawg
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ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Hi, waiting others
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+ +1.617.588.aaaa - is perhaps Luis
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zakim, this is mawg
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joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
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ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
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invite Zakim #mediaann
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see joakim, wbailer, Luis
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On IRC I see Chris, joakim, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, trackbot
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Hi Chris, we are taliking on the phone
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+ +329331aabb
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+ +34.93.00.aacc
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about "all actions points have been reopened"
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chair: joakim
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trackbot, start telecon
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be MAWG
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ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM already started
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Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 September 2010
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Chair: Joakim
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Regrets: wonsuk, daniel
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Scribe: raphael
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scribe: Raphael
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scribenick: raphael
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Topic: 1. Admin
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Joakim: I suggest to accept the minutes of the f2f meeting (3 days)
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RESOLUTION: minutes of the f2f meeting accepted
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Joakim: thanks for Thierry for the organization and the dinner in Sophia Antipolis
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Topic: 2. Action Items
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Joakim: we have a lot of Actions !!!
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How do we manage?
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List in the tracker:
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Werner: ACTION-270
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... we have a clear answer about subtitles, and less for semantic annotations
11:11:18 [stegmai]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see joakim, wbailer, Luis, chris, raphael, florian
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On IRC I see stegmai, Chris, joakim, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, trackbot
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Thierry: should we discuss now the proposed text resolving the issue?
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Joakim: I suggest to close the action, but more peope need to read the lc comment before closing it
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close ACTION-270
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ACTION-270 Draft an answer for the comment 2389 closed
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ACTION: Thierry to send to the group the list of LC Comments that needs to be reviewed for moving on
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Created ACTION-312 - Send to the group the list of LC Comments that needs to be reviewed for moving on [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-28].
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Raphael: ACTION-271
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... it is done
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... in a nutshell, embedded named graphs syntax is not yet ready (might be part of RDF 2.0)
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... no other ways for doing such complex annotations
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... except with an event-based modeling, suggested by Yves Raimond
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... similar to what has been done with the Programmes web site in BBC
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Veronique: problem with this approach is to have multiple annotations about the same fragment that co-exist
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close ACTION-271
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ACTION-271 Contact the SW Coordination Group about how to do semantic annotation with ma:description and ma:relation alternatives closed
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Wonsul: ACTION-272
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close ACTION-272
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ACTION-272 Start a new section in the Ontology document providing example of usage (e.g. subtitles, powder, etc.) closed
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Thierry: ACTION-273
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... I have done it
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... the tables are done, but need to be filled now
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... it seems to me that for ogg, e.g. the technical information is in the codecs (video/audio) and not in the container formats
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... need to be checked
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... I suggest to keep this action opened
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Thierry: ACTION-274
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... I have done this
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close ACTION-274
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ACTION-274 Check all mapping tables and add N/A when it is needed closed
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Joakim: ACTION-275
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... it is not yet finished, I need to coordinate with Wonsuk
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... ongoing
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Joakim: ACTION-276
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... it is dependent on ACTION-311
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... not yet finished
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close ACTION-276
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ACTION-276 Change the type definition into the new syntax closed
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... it is actually the same one than 311
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Chris: ACTION-277
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... still open
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Was the conclusion to add a ne
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s/a ne/new property?
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Chris: no, it is about adding an example
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I have made the request to generate raphael
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Werner: ACTION-278
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... it is done
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... made the changes to follow the suggestion
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... we need to update the ontology document
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... we will keep copyright though we are aware that there will be some overlap with what Policy is providing
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... rational is a strong need from the industry to have a simple field for this, see email thread
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... I don't see her reply of Jean Pierre on this thread
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action: wonsuk to update definition of ma:policy according to comments from PLING
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Created ACTION-313 - Update definition of ma:policy according to comments from PLING [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-28].
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close ACTION-278
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ACTION-278 Draft a response to the comment LC-2417 closed
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Thierry: ACTION-279
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... it is done, we have a new css
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... now in the dev space
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... we have to wait for Wonsuk to use this new css
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close ACTION-279
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ACTION-279 Look into problems with the CSS rule closed
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Joakim: ACTION-280
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... we have changed about this section about conformance
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... but we need to read it again
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... so leave this action open
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Werner: ACTION-281
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... contact Florian ?
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... seems a WebIDL issue encountered by Florian
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... we could delete this sentence about HTML5
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... I think it is done already
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close ACTION-281
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ACTION-281 Follow up the comment of Robin about the HTML 5 compatibility issue by contacting Florian closed
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Wonsuk: ACTION-282
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... someone has an idea if this has been done?
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I have made the request to generate raphael
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Werner: ACTION-284
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... I got a response that I use to draft the table
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... I sent this to the editors of the ontology document
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... we can leave this action open
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... it is just the editors that need to include in the doc
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close ACTION-284
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ACTION-284 Mail David Singer about the inclusion of media type parameters in the ma:format property closed
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ACTION: Wonsuk to update the description of the ma:format in the ontology doc using the input from Dave Singer (see Werner email)
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Created ACTION-314 - Update the description of the ma:format in the ontology doc using the input from Dave Singer (see Werner email) [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-28].
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Joakim: ACTION-285
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... I'm looking for the diff with ACTION-280
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Werner: it seems the same
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close ACTION-285
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ACTION-285 Check the normative statemens according to the editorial comment of Robin closed
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duplicate actions
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Thierry: ACTION-286
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... done
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close ACTION-286
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ACTION-286 Update the XPATH columns of the mapping tables closed
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Felix: ACTION-287
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... Felix will work on this tonight
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Joakim: ACTION-289
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... leave it open
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Chris: ACTION-290
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... it is done
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close ACTION-290
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ACTION-290 Make updates to api document related to dropping type attribute of identifier closed
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Thierry: ACTION-291
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... the file is now in the proper namespace
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... coneg is not yet implemented for serving either the rdf or the html
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... conneg is still pending
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Thierry: ACTION-292
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... done
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close ACTION-292
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ACTION-292 Draft response to ivan closed
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Chris: ACTION-295
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... has been done during the f2f
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close ACTION-295
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ACTION-295 Chanage title to plural in api doc closed
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... the web site needs to be updated too
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ACTION: Joakim to update the group web site to reflect the plural in the title and to make working his cvs
11:44:09 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-315 - Update the group web site to reflect the plural in the title and to make working his cvs [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-28].
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Thierry: I have also done the action of wonsuk
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close ACTION-296
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ACTION-296 Change title to plural in ontology doc closed
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Thierry: ACTION-297
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Chris: only the title has been changed !!!
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... we need to change this everywhere in the document !!!
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11:45:49 [florian_pa]
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I have re-opened the action-296 and re-assigned to Thierry
11:47:08 [Chris]
also change the mentioning of the "API for Media Resource 1.0" to "API for Media Resources 1.0" in the ontology document please
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Thierry: regarding the contact to HTML, I have no response
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... I will meet the staff contact this afternoon
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Joakim: I think we should let open this action until TPAC and make sure we talk with this group
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Joakim: ACTION-298
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... I sent an email to Dominique
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... asking if there will be a binding for a RESTful API
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... it seem they have just discussed this at the moment
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... and suggested to bring this to the coordination group
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... to see if more people are interested
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... I can follow-up this suggestion
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ACTION: pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting
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Sorry, couldn't find user - pursue
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ACTION: joakim to pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting
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Created ACTION-316 - Pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-28].
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I have made the request to generate raphael
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raphael: group chair should have received invitation to coordination group
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... chair should send short mail with progress from group and any topics for cc telecon
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close action-299
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ACTION-299 Change the API interface about Date closed
11:55:50 [Zakim]
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action 300 is pending, joakim has sent mail, but not received an answer
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Sorry, couldn't find user - 300
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chris: action 301 is still open
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... same for 302
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joakim: not sure what to do about action 303, what exactly to tell them?
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from Comment LC-2419
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"note: integration with DAP's Media Capture is likely desirable."
11:59:16 [tmichel]
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thierry: drafted answer fpr 2395
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close action-304
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ACTION-304 Draft answer for lc-2395 closed
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joakim: concerning action 305, sent mail to doug, no answer yet
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close action-306
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ACTION-306 Add paragraph to section 2 about support for several metadata sources closed
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close action-307
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ACTION-307 Fix description of parameters in getoriginaldata (LC-2410) closed
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action traker problem ...
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Sorry, couldn't find user - traker
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Based on the changelog, it looks like Wonsuk did this, see e.g.:
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chris: worked on editorial issues in comment LC-2394, did not draft answer yet
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... open issues: do we need to have a final solution before drafting a response?
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... or can we respond that we are in the process of looking at this
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thierry: wait for response from other groups and have resolution
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... if there are many other points, we can send response with resolutions for some of the points
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close action-308
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ACTION-308 Take care of editorial issues in comment LC-2394 closed
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thierry: sent proposal for normative/non-normative markup
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... leave open until agreed
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concerning action 310, werner to send png version to chris
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IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
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Attendees were joakim, wbailer, +1.617.588.aaaa, +329331aabb, +34.93.00.aacc, raphael, chris, florian_pa
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate wbailer
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