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13:47:45 <emma> rrsagent, bookmark
13:47:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T13-47-45
13:48:26 <emma> zakim, this will be LLD
13:48:26 <Zakim> ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
13:48:59 <emma> Meeting : LLD XG
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13:49:18 <emma> Chair: Emmanuelle
13:49:36 <emma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Sep/0069.html
13:49:53 <emma> Previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html
13:50:19 <emma> Regrets: Ray, Annette
13:50:34 <emma> Resgrets+: Andras, Bernard, Jodi
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13:50:57 <emma> Regrets+: Andras, Bernard, Jodi
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13:51:11 <emma> rrsagent, please make record public
13:51:31 <emma> still looking for a volunteer for scribing
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13:54:49 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
13:54:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:54:57 <TomB> TomB has joined #lld
13:55:04 <emma> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:55:04 <Zakim> +emma; got it
13:55:20 <antoine> antoine has joined #lld
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13:55:35 <Zakim> + +49.173.609.aaaa
13:55:40 <GordonD> GordonD has joined #lld
13:55:53 <Zakim> +??P5
13:55:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:56:01 <TomB> zakim, ??P5 is TomB
13:56:01 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
13:56:40 <Zakim> +michaelp
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13:57:03 <Zakim> +LarsG
13:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html TomB
13:57:56 <Zakim> +??P16
13:57:57 <Zakim> +??P17
13:58:11 <monica> monica has joined #lld
13:58:17 <antoine> zakim, ??P17 is me
13:58:17 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
13:58:27 <Zakim> +jeff.a
13:58:29 <emma> zakim, ??P16 is GordonD
13:58:29 <Zakim> +GordonD; got it
13:58:50 <antoine> zakim, jeff.a is matolat
13:58:50 <Zakim> +matolat; got it
13:58:54 <kai> kai has joined #lld
13:58:55 <digikim> digikim has joined #lld
13:58:58 <digikim> hello
13:59:06 <Zakim> +??P20
13:59:19 <antoine> zakim, ??P20 is kc
13:59:19 <Zakim> +kc; got it
13:59:21 <marma> marma has joined #lld
13:59:29 <rsinger> rsinger has joined #lld
13:59:31 <antoine> zakim, kc is kcoyle
13:59:31 <Zakim> +kcoyle; got it
13:59:44 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
13:59:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle
13:59:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see rsinger, marma, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
13:59:54 <Zakim> +??P24
14:00:08 <Zakim> + +1.330.289.aabb
14:00:14 <Zakim> +??P26
14:00:34 <antoine> zakim, aabb is marcia
14:00:34 <Zakim> +marcia; got it
14:00:48 <Zakim> +??P30
14:00:51 <Zakim> +rsinger
14:00:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:12 <antoine> zakim, [IPcaller] is AlexanderH
14:01:12 <Zakim> +AlexanderH; got it
14:01:19 <emma> zakim, who's here ?
14:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, ??P24, marcia, ??P26, ??P30, rsinger,
14:01:22 <Zakim> ... AlexanderH
14:01:24 <kai> zakim, +??P26 is me.
14:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see rsinger, marma, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
14:01:27 <Marcia> Marcia has joined #Lld
14:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, kai, I do not recognize a party named '+??P26'
14:01:29 <antoine> zakim, ??P26 is gneher
14:01:30 <Zakim> +Oreste
14:01:32 <Zakim> +gneher; got it
14:01:32 <kai> zakim, ??P26 is me.
14:01:36 <Zakim> I already had ??P26 as gneher, kai
14:01:47 <digikim> zakim, ??P30 is me.
14:01:47 <Zakim> +digikim; got it
14:01:54 <michaelp> michaelp has joined #lld
14:01:54 <antoine> zakim, who is noisy
14:01:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', antoine
14:02:01 <TomB> zakim, ??P26 is gneher
14:02:02 <Zakim> I already had ??P26 as gneher, TomB
14:02:02 <kai> zakim, who is making noise?
14:02:13 <Zakim> kai, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (18%), +49.173.609.aaaa (34%), antoine (18%), marcia (19%), Oreste (35%)
14:02:13 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:02:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, ??P24, marcia, gneher, digikim, rsinger,
14:02:22 <Zakim> ... AlexanderH, Oreste
14:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, marma, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma, jeff_, ww,
14:02:29 <Zakim> ... edsu
14:02:38 <marma_> marma_ has joined #lld
14:02:40 <Marcia> Zakim, mute me please
14:02:41 <antoine> zakim, who is making noise?
14:02:44 <emma> zakim, ??P24 is probably Kai
14:02:47 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:02:47 <edsu> Zoia, LC is edsu
14:02:49 <oreste> oreste has joined #lld
14:02:53 <Zakim> marcia should now be muted
14:02:59 <Zakim> +Kai?; got it
14:03:00 <kai> still think i am p26...
14:03:05 <emma> zakim, please mute aaaa
14:03:07 <Zakim> antoine, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (33%), +49.173.609.aaaa (68%), TomB (75%), [LC] (9%)
14:03:18 <Zakim> +49.173.609.aaaa should now be muted
14:03:26 <Zakim> + +44.194.346.aacc
14:03:30 <kai> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa (muted), TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher
14:03:38 <antoine> zakim, aacc is monica
14:03:47 <Zakim> ... (muted), digikim, rsinger, AlexanderH, Oreste, [LC], +44.194.346.aacc
14:03:49 <Zakim> +monica; got it
14:04:07 <emma> Scrive: Tod
14:04:13 <emma> Scribe: Tod
14:04:20 <emma> scribenick: matolat
14:05:06 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:05:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, +49.173.609.aaaa (muted), TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher
14:05:09 <Zakim> ... (muted), digikim, rsinger, AlexanderH, Oreste, [LC], monica (muted)
14:05:12 <edsu> Zakim: LC is edsu
14:05:12 <jphipps> jphipps has joined #lld
14:05:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see oreste, marma, michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim, emma,
14:05:19 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
14:05:20 <Zakim> ... jeff_, ww, edsu
14:05:25 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
14:05:31 <Zakim> - +49.173.609.aaaa
14:05:46 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:05:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher (muted), digikim, rsinger,
14:05:50 <Zakim> ... AlexanderH, Oreste, edsu, monica (muted)
14:05:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see jphipps, oreste, marma, michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim,
14:05:54 <Zakim> ... emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
14:06:02 <rsinger> edsu: heh, "Zoia,.."
14:06:08 <Zakim> + +49.173.609.aadd
14:06:19 <antoine> zakim, aadd is jneubert
14:06:19 <Zakim> +jneubert; got it
14:06:27 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:06:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see emma, TomB, Felix (muted), jeff (muted), LarsG (muted), GordonD (muted), antoine, matolat, kcoyle, Kai?, marcia (muted), gneher (muted), digikim, rsinger,
14:06:28 <matolat> Topic: Administrative
14:06:30 <Zakim> ... AlexanderH, Oreste, edsu, monica (muted), jneubert
14:06:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see jphipps, oreste, marma, michaelp, Marcia, rsinger, digikim, kai, monica, gneher, GordonD, fsasaki, antoine, TomB, matolat, LarsG, kcoyle, AlexanderH, RRSAgent, Zakim,
14:06:34 <Zakim> ... emma, jeff_, ww, edsu
14:06:51 <Zakim> + +1.607.222.aaee
14:07:05 <antoine> zakim, aaee is jphipps
14:07:05 <Zakim> +jphipps; got it
14:07:07 <matolat> ACTION: To accept minutes of previous telecon:
14:07:09 <matolat>    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html
14:07:15 <Zakim> -jneubert
14:07:45 <matolat> RESOLVED:To accept minutes of previous telecon:   http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html
14:07:56 <antoine> zakim, who is making noise?
14:08:06 <Zakim> antoine, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (5%), TomB (10%), Kai? (30%)
14:08:23 <matolat> Topic: Face-to-face meetings
14:09:22 <matolat> kcoyle: need a set of goals for F2F
14:09:43 <matolat> emma: Not yet, want to discuss Use cases
14:10:32 <matolat> emma: discuss Topic list at F2F, don't have the goals for F2F
14:10:55 <TomB> q+ to suggest that, as a goal, we clarify what deliverables we want to achieve by end of charter
14:11:01 <emma> ack TomB
14:11:03 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest that, as a goal, we clarify what deliverables we want to achieve by end of charter
14:11:10 <matolat> kcoyle: Very broad topics, we need to help guide our thoughts to make good use of the time
14:11:24 <antoine> q+ on use cases requirements topics
14:11:48 <Zakim> -LarsG
14:12:08 <matolat> TomB: chartered 1 year, number of wiki pages, artifacts, but we need to understand what we can deliver in our timeframe
14:12:35 <Zakim> +jneubert
14:12:41 <emma> ack ant
14:12:41 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on use cases requirements topics
14:13:07 <matolat> TomB: may want to decide what deliverables we can work on and what should be next steps 
14:13:23 <Zakim> +LarsG
14:14:05 <matolat> Antoine: Use case call will be closed, 
14:14:43 <antoine> q+ on organization
14:14:49 <emma> ack ant
14:14:49 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on organization
14:14:49 <matolat> Emma: main goal F2F is to define the deliverables from the use cases
14:15:51 <matolat> Antoine: question on mic and speaker, can supply them?
14:16:22 <kcoyle> for computer?
14:16:47 <antoine> karen, yes
14:16:55 <jeff_> i can ask if we have it
14:18:15 <marma_> marma_ has joined #lld
14:18:34 <antoine> +1
14:19:04 <matolat> RESOLVED: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
14:19:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html TomB
14:20:02 <matolat> Topic: Use cases and case studies - update
14:20:12 <matolat> emma: use case call sent
14:20:30 <emma> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Cases_Gathering
14:21:10 <antoine> typically people send answers quite late :-)
14:21:53 <jar> jar has joined #lld
14:22:41 <matolat> antoine: number of lists that added and not sure if mail has been sent
14:23:21 <Marcia> .
14:23:39 <Marcia> .? 
14:23:41 <antoine> zakim, unmute marcia
14:23:41 <Zakim> marcia should no longer be muted
14:24:23 <matolat> marcia: has sent to her lists added
14:24:59 <Marcia> Zakim, mute me
14:24:59 <Zakim> marcia should now be muted
14:25:29 <matolat> emma:    Discussion of two related use cases (Joachim and Ed)
14:25:31 <matolat>    [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Publishing_20th_Century_Press_Archives
14:25:32 <matolat>    [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_NDNP
14:27:36 <Zakim> +matolat.a
14:28:10 <antoine> zakim, matolat.a is michaelp
14:28:10 <Zakim> +michaelp; got it
14:28:17 <Zakim> -LarsG
14:28:19 <emma> http://zbw.eu/beta/p20/about 
14:28:50 <Zakim> +LarsG
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14:29:26 <matolat> antonie; what data like at the start and how was it enriched
14:29:39 <edsu> antoine: good question :)
14:30:15 <matolat> Joachim: link to German authority file LLD impl
14:30:51 <matolat> Joachim: difficult because don't have authority file idenitifers
14:31:50 <matolat> Joachim: few American newspaper articles available, hope that other German databases to link to
14:33:15 <matolat> I don't know if I caught all of that Joachim (please add comments?)
14:33:41 <matolat> Joachim: metadata is mostly attached to folders 
14:34:42 <edsu> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dv89m3d_466c3nxbc53
14:35:00 <emma> ack fs
14:35:10 <matolat> Edsu:Use case NDNP
14:37:03 <matolat> Edsu: part of 20 year project digitize american newspaper. Start to move microfilm to be digitized
14:37:11 <jneubert> jneubert has joined #lld
14:37:46 <matolat> Edsu: 250 harddrived, of batches (xml. tiff. ocr files)
14:38:17 <matolat> Edsu: LD is webapp that sit on top of data, search OCR and browse
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14:39:13 <matolat> Edsu: data is being cut off in 1922 copyright issues avoided
14:40:05 <matolat> Edsu: each batch gets a name, browse from batch to issues
14:40:53 <matolat> Edsu: problem how to get data to researchers
14:41:37 <matolat> Edsu: have relational db, that could be dumped, this where LD approach helps
14:42:11 <matolat> Edsu: mint cool URLs, get rdf that describe the data
14:42:49 <antoine> q+ to ask about use of ORE in two cases
14:43:31 <Zakim> -marcia
14:43:55 <matolat> Edsu: not hierarchical, graph view makes linking more natural.
14:44:36 <matolat> Edsu: link to dbpedia get geo coordinates to map newspaper coverage?
14:44:39 <antoine> zakim, who is making noise?
14:44:41 <Zakim> -jneubert
14:44:50 <Zakim> antoine, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: emma (85%), antoine (7%), edsu (64%)
14:45:26 <Zakim> +jneubert
14:45:32 <matolat> Edsu: links to flikr to allow folks to interact with data more
14:46:03 <antoine> Ed: really great!
14:46:47 <matolat> Edsu: FOAF to describe the agent that produced the data, some additional project define vocab 
14:47:05 <TomB_> TomB_ has joined #lld
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14:47:56 <Zakim> -monica
14:48:05 <TomB_> TomB_ has left #lld
14:48:35 <matolat> Edsu: example use of data to explore Chicago news titles relate
14:49:14 <emma> q?
14:49:19 <emma> ack an
14:49:19 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask about use of ORE in two cases
14:49:27 <matolat> Edsu: how to make annotations more readable. would be nice to capture them and add to the data set (e.g., from flikr)
14:50:22 <matolat> antoine: have that 2 cases data been compared? 
14:50:52 <matolat> Edsu: look some at ORE data, but the vocab is small
14:52:34 <matolat> Edsu: could be too generic
14:53:07 <matolat> Joachim: want to apply to search results that are not covered by other vocab.
14:53:12 <Zakim> -Felix
14:53:15 <edsu> here's an example of some rdf for a page w/ some oai-ore http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1880-02-03/ed-1/seq-1.rdf
14:54:04 <matolat> Joachim: would allow to describe the boundaries of aggregation 
14:54:38 <matolat> Joachim: describe the links of aggregation
14:55:41 <matolat> Edsu: nice about ORE, allows people to extract not just the metadata, but the things being described
14:56:12 <antoine> q+
14:56:20 <emma> ack antoin
14:57:20 <edsu> jneubert: you first :-)
14:57:26 <matolat> Antoin: did you feel to need to choose the original data that you got? 
14:58:20 <matolat> will take question offline
14:58:45 <Zakim> -LarsG
14:59:13 <antoine> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08]
14:59:15 <antoine> --CONTINUES
14:59:16 <Zakim> +LarsG
14:59:24 <Zakim> -GordonD
14:59:29 <Zakim> -AlexanderH
14:59:30 <Zakim> -kcoyle
14:59:31 <Zakim> -jeff
14:59:35 <Zakim> -digikim
14:59:35 <Zakim> -michaelp
14:59:37 <edsu> cheers :-)
14:59:37 <digikim> thanks!
14:59:40 <matolat> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] --continues
14:59:47 <Zakim> -edsu
14:59:57 <Zakim> -jphipps
14:59:57 <emma> [adjourned]
15:00:04 <Zakim> -LarsG
15:00:07 <Zakim> -rsinger
15:00:09 <emma> rrsagent please draft minutes
15:00:11 <Zakim> -jneubert
15:00:19 <michaelp> michaelp has left #lld
15:00:26 <TomB> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:00:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html TomB
15:00:30 <antoine> zaki, please list participants
15:00:37 <antoine> zakim, please list participants
15:00:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix, LarsG, jeff, antoine, GordonD, matolat, kcoyle, +1.330.289.aabb, marcia, rsinger, AlexanderH, Oreste,
15:00:43 <LarsG> LarsG has left #lld
15:00:45 <Zakim> ... gneher, digikim, Kai?, +44.194.346.aacc, monica, edsu, +49.173.609.aadd, jneubert, +1.607.222.aaee, jphipps, michaelp
15:01:18 <Zakim> -gneher
15:01:24 <Zakim> -Kai?
15:01:45 <marma> marma has joined #lld
15:02:09 <antoine> ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F  [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]
15:02:11 <antoine> --DONE
15:02:26 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:02:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:03:52 <emma> zakim, bye
15:03:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were emma, +49.173.609.aaaa, TomB, Felix, LarsG, jeff, antoine, GordonD, matolat, kcoyle, +1.330.289.aabb, marcia, rsinger, AlexanderH,
15:03:52 <Zakim> Zakim has left #lld
15:03:55 <Zakim> ... Oreste, gneher, digikim, Kai?, +44.194.346.aacc, monica, edsu, +49.173.609.aadd, jneubert, +1.607.222.aaee, jphipps, michaelp
15:03:59 <TomB> zakim, please unmute me
15:04:00 <matolat> quit
15:04:02 <emma> rrsagent, bye
15:04:02 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-actions.rdf :
15:04:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: To accept minutes of previous telecon: [1]
15:04:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T14-07-07
15:04:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] [2]
15:04:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T14-59-13
15:04:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] --continues [3]
15:04:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T14-59-40
15:04:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F  [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01] [4]
15:04:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-lld-irc#T15-02-09
15:04:13 <oreste> bye