13:26:47 RRSAgent has joined #au 13:26:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-au-irc 13:26:49 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:26:49 Zakim has joined #au 13:26:51 Zakim, this will be AUWG 13:26:52 Meeting: Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 13:26:52 Date: 16 September 2010 13:26:52 ok, trackbot, I see WAI_AUWG(AUWG_F2F)8:30AM already started 13:27:06 zakim, who is here? 13:27:06 On the phone I see Jeanne 13:27:07 On IRC I see RRSAgent, jeanne, Jan, trackbot 13:27:28 Jeanne also has Jutta, Sueann, Greg, Jan 13:32:08 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2010/ED-ATAG20-20100914/MASTER-20100914.html 13:32:32 zakim, who is here? 13:32:32 On the phone I see Jeanne 13:32:33 On IRC I see RRSAgent, jeanne, Jan, trackbot 13:32:41 zakim, code? 13:32:41 the conference code is 28941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), jeanne 13:33:15 gpisocky has joined #au 13:33:37 Sueann has joined #au 13:34:15 We are starting a triage of comments. 13:34:23 + +1.703.883.aaaa 13:34:31 -Jeanne 13:34:46 MASTER: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2010/ED-ATAG20-20100914/MASTER-20100914.html 13:35:05 zakim, aaaa is Adobe_meeting 13:35:05 +Adobe_meeting; got it 13:35:31 zakim, Adobe_meeting has Jutta, Jan, Jeanne, Greg, Sueann 13:35:31 +Jutta, Jan, Jeanne, Greg, Sueann; got it 13:35:38 Comment table: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/att-0084/atag20-8Jul10LC-comments-rev4.html 13:43:53 rrsagent, make logs public 13:44:03 rrsagent, make minutes 13:44:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/16-au-minutes.html jeanne 13:45:57 gpisocky has joined #au 13:54:52 action: jeanne to respond to Oracle (Peter Wallach) to ask what the points of conflict with 508 with ATAG, and that 508 cannot be referenced in an international standard. 13:54:53 Created ACTION-290 - Respond to Oracle (Peter Wallach) to ask what the points of conflict with 508 with ATAG, and that 508 cannot be referenced in an international standard. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23]. 13:57:13 Group discussed the Oracle request for reference to 508 in Part A. The group agreed that 508 is a national standard that is not appropriate in an international standard. 13:58:41 SN and GP argued that we have to limit the number of standards being referenced, because vendors will not try to meet all of them. Vendors will meet 508 first, because that is market driven. 14:17:15 topic: WCAG Accessibility supported 14:17:37 group discussed how to make the qualification to WCAG more clear 14:18:23 several alternatives were discussed. Propose to substitute "meet" for "conform" 14:19:04 topic: Triage continutes 14:19:21 s/Triage continutes/Triage continues 14:23:34 ARonksley has joined #au 14:35:23 -Adobe_meeting 14:35:25 WAI_AUWG(AUWG_F2F)8:30AM has ended 14:35:26 Attendees were Jeanne, +1.703.883.aaaa, Jutta, Jan, Greg, Sueann 14:39:21 topic: Email Client as an Authoring Tool 14:39:55 Discussion that tools may also do other things, such as adding content that isn't web content. 14:40:20 In that case, the authoring tools do not apply as it is outside the scope. 14:53:24 action: Jeanne to add Flex and Silverlight to the definition examples of Web Content Technologies. 14:53:25 Created ACTION-291 - Add Flex and Silverlight to the definition examples of Web Content Technologies. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23]. 14:56:37 topic: variations from WCAG 14:57:22 If there is an SC that goes beyond WCAG, we must show that it is necesary for Authoring Tool accessibility. If not, we should harmonize with WCAG 2 15:26:15 action: gp to write a proposal for a definition of "additional information" 15:26:15 Created ACTION-292 - Write a proposal for a definition of "additional information" [on Greg Pisocky - due 2010-09-23]. 15:29:13 topic: IBM comment 17 15:30:10 SN: How does someone determine the way the accessibility of mashup information? When you exchange information you have to say how accessibility is communicated? 15:31:18 JR: The pieces of the mashup are going to be in some piece of technology where the original author may or may not have done. We say that you only have to be responsible for information you can edit. 15:31:34 TB: It is an issue of how the authoring tool is going to use it. 15:36:47 JR: Example - a PNG file has metadata. A HTML editor can take the PNG and put it in the document and just identify that "blob" to the user. 15:51:44 Zakim has left #au 16:11:38 Action: Jeanne to remove 3.7.1. (MS comment #17) and add a comment from to 3.1.2 mentioning previews 16:11:38 Created ACTION-293 - Remove 3.7.1. (MS comment #17) and add a comment from to 3.1.2 mentioning previews [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23]. 16:24:53 action: jeanne to add "save" to the example to the definition of Authoring Action 16:24:54 Created ACTION-294 - Add "save" to the example to the definition of Authoring Action [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-09-23]. 16:49:50 ARonksley has joined #au 16:50:56 acampbell has joined #au 17:44:57 We're back 17:50:13 we are continuing to triage the comments. We are currently starting the Level A Part B requirements. 17:50:38 we are moving quickly and not taking notes unless there is a detailed discussion. 17:50:59 The decisions are being recorded in the comments document 17:51:32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/att-0084/atag20-8Jul10LC-comments-rev4.html 17:51:51 but it is being updated offline.