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19:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
19:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2010
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20:00:29 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:00:55 <Zakim> +??P1
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20:01:09 <ed> Zakim, ??P1 is me
20:01:09 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:01:39 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html
20:03:22 <Zakim> + +39.537.7.aaaa
20:04:11 <ed> Zakim, +39 is tbah 
20:04:11 <Zakim> +tbah; got it
20:05:33 <Zakim> +ChrisL
20:05:52 <Zakim> +??P5
20:06:05 <anthony_wrk> Zakim, ??P5 is me
20:06:05 <Zakim> +anthony_wrk; got it
20:06:05 <ed> Zakim, pick a victim
20:06:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisL
20:06:15 <ChrisL> scribe: chris
20:06:22 <ChrisL> scribenick: chrisl
20:06:37 <ChrisL> Topic: Last Call Comments
20:07:11 <ChrisL> ISSUE-2340?
20:07:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-2340 -- Last Call Comment: view and animation values lists - where can I find the promised note? -- open
20:07:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2340
20:07:21 <ChrisL> ACTION-2817
20:07:24 <ChrisL> ACTION-2817?
20:07:24 <trackbot> ACTION-2817 -- Chris Lilley to add the promised note relating to ISSUE-2340 -- due 2010-07-13 -- OPEN
20:07:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2817
20:07:41 <ChrisL> test at http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-frag-01-f.svg
20:10:41 <ChrisL> (chrisl corrects a typo in the test, recommits)
20:11:29 <ChrisL> The test checks that an escaped semicolon works the same as an unescaped one
20:11:54 <ChrisL> ED: need to debug, think we should pass this. Several values accepted
20:12:23 <ChrisL> CL: Transform should show a quarter circle
20:12:51 <ChrisL> my email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Sep/0086.html
20:14:23 <ChrisL> ED (checks in debugger)
20:16:39 <ChrisL> DS; What about wrapping in quotes?
20:17:16 <ChrisL> CL: List is split by semicolons first. Not clear quotes are allowed anyway
20:18:43 <ChrisL> ED: Looked at issue-2335, bias
20:18:48 <ChrisL> issue-2335?
20:18:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-2335 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify feConvolveMatrix bias property -- raised
20:18:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2335
20:19:07 <ChrisL> ED: Feedback from Vincent and jasper, agreement on proposed option number 2
20:19:22 <ChrisL> ... just need to test this and come up with wording
20:19:54 <ChrisL> ... does change how the spec defines it, and currently Opera, Firefox and ASV agree on bias. But its unused and not useful at present.
20:20:00 <ChrisL> ... new wording is better
20:20:27 <ChrisL> ... maybe get Inkscape and Opera to pass on the new wording
20:20:52 <ChrisL> ... checked in tests that Jasper made, colours are different
20:21:04 <ChrisL> CL: Inkscape is not using linearRGB
20:21:20 <ChrisL> ED: Jasper made tests with sRGB as well
20:22:11 <ChrisL> AG: Is it optional?
20:22:15 <ChrisL> CL: No
20:22:34 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2368
20:22:35 <ChrisL> ED: Cyril raised an issue on number parsing
20:23:20 <ChrisL> s/it optional?/option 1 what ASV does?/
20:23:36 <ChrisL> s/CL: No/CL: Yes
20:24:35 <ChrisL> ACTION-2843?
20:24:35 <trackbot> ACTION-2843 -- Cyril Concolato to propose new wording for the spec for ISSUE-2368 -- due 2010-09-13 -- OPEN
20:24:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2843
20:26:37 <ChrisL> (wre link the action to the issue)
20:27:36 <ChrisL> ED: Will try to close as many as I can. Others sjould get on and do theirs
20:28:08 <ChrisL> Topic: Test suite overview
20:28:10 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
20:28:17 <ChrisL> ED: Updated the status generator
20:29:27 <ChrisL> tbah: what is 'uses red'?
20:29:47 <ChrisL> ChrisL: some can't be changed, like the ones on color syntax
20:30:03 <ChrisL> DS: Prefer to avoid red in passing tests where possible
20:31:07 <ChrisL> ED: Can toggle off the accepted ones so only the ones that need work are seen
20:31:27 <ChrisL> ... move ones as imageOwner and Reviewed to accepted
20:31:36 <ChrisL> ... only 14 tests
20:31:53 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-85-t.svg
20:32:15 <ChrisL> description is not done yet
20:33:00 <ChrisL> ED: text in operator script could be moved around easily
20:36:01 <ed> Run the test. No interaction required.
20:36:39 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-90-b.svg
20:37:05 <ChrisL> also acceptged
20:37:29 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-displace-02-f.svg
20:38:13 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-control-05-f.svg
20:39:25 <ChrisL> AG: Opera and Chrome both fail some subtests on that one
20:40:42 <ChrisL> also shapes-01-f.svg
20:41:43 <ChrisL> ED: Might require an erratum for 1.2T
20:42:17 <ChrisL> ... and update to 1.2T test suite as well
20:42:44 <ChrisL> AG: Does 1.1 say what to do with broken pont lists?
20:42:56 <ChrisL> ED: Was clear, then changed in 1.2T not sure why
20:43:05 <ChrisL> AG: How different is it?
20:43:44 <ChrisL> AG: Will raise the issue now
20:43:56 <ChrisL> ED: and need to fix the 1.2T tests
20:44:45 <ChrisL> struct-use-10-f.svg
20:45:30 <ChrisL> ED: test description lissing, will shunt it around
20:46:30 <ChrisL> AG: shapes-01-f.svg is missing the subsection name
20:46:40 <ChrisL> ED: Yes but applies to two subsections
20:47:39 <ChrisL> CL: Just link it to the two sections
20:48:30 <ChrisL> ... or rename to one and say in the dezxcription it tests both sections
20:48:59 <ChrisL> struct-use-12-f.svg spelled 'reviewed' incorrectly :)
20:51:24 <ChrisL> ED: Script checks for fully red in the reference image
20:57:12 <ChrisL> text-align-07-t.svg
20:57:58 <ChrisL> CL: Should be an issue because of dominant baseline
21:00:51 <ChrisL> CL: I propose that very old tests which have been out for years, a decade even, be marked with SVGWG as reviewer and accepted
21:00:54 <ChrisL> ED: OK
21:01:25 <ChrisL> Action: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no status that have been published already
21:01:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2870 - Bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no status that have been published already [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-09-21].
21:02:23 <ChrisL> AG: Dominant baselines is inconsistent i browsers because it is not clear from the spec how to get it. No viewer gets it right
21:03:23 <ChrisL> CL: Question is, is the test implementable or is there an issue/ Where do you get the dominant baseline of a random Unicode character?
21:03:41 <ChrisL> AG: Abbra is almost right
21:04:08 <ChrisL> ... ASV not entirely right
21:04:37 <ChrisL> tbah: Sanscrit is supposed to be on hanging baseline?
21:04:42 <ChrisL> AG: Yes
21:05:19 <ChrisL> AG: Adobe shid=ft in right direction but not by the right amount. Overshoot for small text sizes
21:05:51 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#AlignmentProperties
21:07:03 <ChrisL> AG: You pull this out of the font
21:07:37 <ChrisL> CL: SVG fonts don't have that info. 
21:08:01 <ChrisL> tbah: Don't think you can get this from Pango.
21:09:15 <ChrisL> ED: Does this require getting baseline info? Not available on all platforms
21:09:43 <ChrisL> CL: Better to have defined fallback, for SVG 2
21:10:14 <ChrisL> action: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline
21:10:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2871 - Investigate how to get dominant baseline [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-09-21].
21:12:11 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html
21:13:07 <ChrisL> ED: What is the freeze date for CR report?
21:14:09 <ChrisL> CL: without a freeze we won't have any implementation reports
21:14:38 <ChrisL> Resolved: test freeze at end of September 2010 for 1.1SE CR report
21:15:06 <ChrisL> action: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before the freeze
21:15:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2872 - Check tests that need to be reviewed before the freeze [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-09-21].
21:16:01 <ChrisL> Topic: SVG Integration
21:16:30 <ChrisL> ED: Are we trying to get it published so HTML5 is OK for HTML5 last call
21:16:47 <ChrisL> AG: I have new generated tables, committed them (checks)
21:17:50 <ChrisL> .. yes they are checked in. elements table complete
21:18:02 <ChrisL> ...attr table needs more work
21:18:46 <ChrisL> ED: Can we get HTML5 to reference this spec?
21:19:04 <ChrisL> DS: Yes, people are interested in integration issues especially implementors
21:19:52 <ChrisL> ... Jeff Schiller pointed out some issues with iframe/image/object recently
21:20:02 <ChrisL> ... will get this ready in next week or two
21:20:12 <ChrisL> ED: need to move on this before its too late
21:20:45 <ChrisL> CL: HTML WG discussed their schedule at HTCG
21:21:40 <ChrisL> DS: Several open actions on Integration
21:26:21 <ChrisL> DS: Updated params spec and script implementation, will commit soon
21:27:07 <ChrisL> ED: Next FX tf next week? Is that too soon?
21:27:56 <ChrisL> adjourned
21:28:07 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
21:28:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shepazu, ed, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, ChrisL, anthony_wrk
21:28:47 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:28:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
21:29:22 <Zakim> -ed
21:29:23 <Zakim> -ChrisL
21:29:24 <Zakim> -tbah
21:29:26 <Zakim> -anthony_wrk
21:29:34 <Zakim> -Shepazu
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21:29:37 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, ed, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, ChrisL, anthony_wrk
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