12:51:16 RRSAgent has joined #ssn 12:51:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-irc 12:51:32 rrsagent, bookmark 12:51:32 See http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-irc#T12-51-32 12:51:41 zakim, this will be inc_ssn 12:51:41 ok, laurent_csiro; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes 12:52:00 Meeting: SSN XG 12:52:01 Chair: Laurent 12:52:23 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Sep/0004.html 12:53:13 Previous: 2010-09-08 http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html 12:53:17 vhuang has joined #ssn 12:53:35 Regrets: Andriy, Michael 12:54:00 hi 12:54:19 rrsagent, please make record public 12:55:11 INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started 12:55:18 +[IPcaller] 12:55:31 zakin, [IPCaller] is me 12:55:39 zakim, [IPCaller] is me 12:55:39 +laurent_csiro; got it 12:56:43 +??P9 12:57:09 zakim, ??P9 is me 12:57:09 +Payam; got it 12:57:55 +??P10 12:58:55 +??P11 12:59:04 + +49.163.3.aaaa 12:59:15 zadim, ??P11 is me 12:59:22 zakim, +49.163.3.aaaa is me 12:59:23 +ocorcho; got it 12:59:26 zakim, ??P11 is me 12:59:26 +vhuang; got it 12:59:43 zakim, mute me 12:59:43 ocorcho should now be muted 13:00:16 krp has joined #ssn 13:00:45 zakim, who is here? 13:00:45 On the phone I see laurent_csiro, Payam, ??P10, vhuang, ocorcho (muted) 13:00:47 On IRC I see krp, vhuang, RRSAgent, Zakim, ocorcho, laurent_csiro, Payam, trackbot 13:01:27 Arthur has joined #ssn 13:01:34 AlexPassant has joined #ssn 13:01:59 +[IPcaller] 13:02:47 myriam has joined #ssn 13:02:59 + +1.937.775.aabb 13:03:24 Zakim, ?P10 is me 13:03:28 sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P10' 13:03:28 Zakim, ??P10 is me 13:03:32 +AlexPassant; got it 13:05:12 cory has joined #ssn 13:05:43 kerry has joined #ssn 13:07:20 +Betty 13:07:29 zakim, Betty is me 13:07:29 +krp; got it 13:07:36 ScribeNick: Payam 13:08:08 -AlexPassant 13:08:14 +??P22 13:08:31 +??P10 13:08:34 Zakim, ??P10 is me 13:08:34 +AlexPassant; got it 13:08:34 zakim, ??p22 is me 13:08:36 +kerry; got it 13:08:40 zakim, who's making noise 13:08:40 I don't understand 'who's making noise', laurent_csiro 13:08:50 zakim, who is making noise? 13:08:59 zakim, whos making noise? 13:08:59 I don't understand your question, kerry. 13:09:01 laurent_csiro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: laurent_csiro (10%), kerry (19%) 13:09:24 zakim, mute me 13:09:24 kerry should now be muted 13:10:04 Laurent: 1st topic: status of report- starting with ontology deliverable 13:10:34 Topic: Section 4 Ontology Deliverable 13:11:03 Laurent discusses Andriy's work 13:11:04 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_the_SSN_ontology 13:11:43 Andriy's progress on Sensor module doc: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Sensor 13:11:56 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Deploy 13:12:07 Payam: Deploy module http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Deploy 13:13:30 there is a new version of the ontology with recent changes with alignments 13:14:02 Pramod has joined #SSN 13:14:32 Laurent has created a revision of the Raul's slides 13:15:48 zakim, unmute me 13:15:48 ocorcho should no longer be muted 13:15:49 we have some description for deployment (Payam's example) and measurment (Andriy's example) capabilities 13:16:06 we need description for Observation 13:16:44 zakim, mute me 13:16:44 ocorcho should now be muted 13:17:01 File changes: ontology and graphics http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Special:ListFiles 13:18:12 Observation? 13:18:43 it is in progress... 13:18:57 it's just that maybe observation should be more linked to a better environment description 13:19:12 and sensor role 13:19:26 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_the_SSN_ontology#Modules_and_Mapping_to_use_cases 13:20:08 the above figure demonstrate the priorities in the current work 13:20:21 s/demonstrate demonstrates 13:22:01 Myriam has worked on DOLCE and some of the examples can be shared 13:22:04 +q amit 13:22:11 q- 13:23:10 zakim, ??P10 is AlexPassant 13:23:10 I already had ??P10 as AlexPassant, laurent_csiro 13:23:21 ack amit 13:23:35 Amit suggests inclusion of provinance and linked-data on sensor web 13:23:37 queue- AlexPassant 13:23:44 Zakim, q- AlexPassant 13:23:44 I see ??P10 on the speaker queue 13:23:56 and providing some example on linked-data 13:24:36 ack ??P10 13:24:38 Amit's 2nd suggestion is inclusion of perception and what leads to semantics 13:25:22 Amit: how we use sensor observation to detect an event in real world - providing links to perception 13:26:23 Amit: adding some descriptions as a paprt of report or as an appendix to the report: sensor- observation and sensing and observation to perception 13:27:16 Laurent: it is good to have an example these issues; however we need to wrap up the report 13:27:30 see the section "Current and planned use of the ontology - XG members " in the conclusion. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Conclusion_and_Recommendations#Current_and_planned_use_of_the_ontology_-_XG_members 13:29:37 Laurent: we can consider some of these issues as follow ups to the current ontology... ? 13:30:02 +q 13:30:53 Amit: the example with show how the ontology can co-exisit with other ontolgies and as a part of an eco-system 13:31:01 s/with will 13:31:06 Topic: Conclusion and Recommendations 13:31:15 (breaking in) This is a good place (seee conclusion ref above) for a description of the kind of thing you re doing with the ssn-xg ontology with as little details as you like. 13:31:20 Section 7: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Conclusion_and_Recommendations 13:31:58 s/seee/see/ 13:33:19 I agree with Kerry - Amit's example can be added to this section 13:34:01 Laurent: DERI is interested in using sensor annotation in semantic reality 13:34:42 s/semantic reality /augmented reality 13:35:21 it is "Augmented reality" 13:36:32 Laurent: calling for suggestion on usage of the ontology in the projects 13:37:05 +q 13:37:12 Ack Payam 13:37:13 we can add a SPITFIRE use-case (new EU project involving DERI) 13:37:27 zakim, unmute me 13:37:27 ocorcho should no longer be muted 13:37:31 IOTA 13:37:34 yes, I think we're fine with the two semsorgrid examples you've put us down for 13:37:40 Internet of things Architecture 13:37:43 Ack Cory 13:38:00 +q 13:38:09 ack ocorcho 13:38:57 zakim, mute me 13:38:57 ocorcho should now be muted 13:39:38 +q 13:39:54 laurent -- luis is ogc now -- perhaps we could ask him to do that in hte conclusion? there is also MMI, but we have no active contact there anymore, I think. Perhaps wipe? 13:39:58 ack kerry 13:40:42 zakim, mute me 13:40:42 kerry should now be muted 13:41:24 Laurent will present the group's work in the OGC meeting in December 13:41:58 +q 13:42:04 ack kerry 13:42:16 Laurent discusses Report Conclusion and Recommendations 13:42:47 sany is mentioned in the conclusions 13:42:55 as a possilbe user of the ssn-xg 13:43:03 i think they are too finished 13:43:22 but I can check on Monday next week when Denzer visits 13:43:27 zakim, mute me 13:43:27 kerry should now be muted 13:44:29 regarding "7.3.6 Social and Sensor Web" the report could link to the Social Web XG report (due in a few weeks) as it includes lots of SW 13:44:42 Laurent: who will be interested in continuing the work 13:45:59 yes 13:47:03 is there any limitation to invited members in W3C? 13:49:03 +q 13:49:05 zakim, mute me 13:49:05 ocorcho was already muted, ocorcho 13:49:21 I can't hear well enough --did you say "SERC" as an alternative? 13:49:23 what's that/ 13:49:26 Laurent: discusses limitations of continuing the work as a W3C group 13:49:43 The example cited by Laurent is SIOC 13:49:55 http://sioc-project.org 13:50:14 I do not think the limitation of invited experts matters. 13:50:17 Process for invited experts : http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html 13:50:18 zakim, unmute me 13:50:18 ocorcho should no longer be muted 13:50:48 Laurent, Alex: another possibility is SIOC 13:51:34 I +q 13:51:38 +q 13:51:42 ack kerry 13:51:47 zakim, mute me 13:51:47 ocorcho should now be muted 13:51:57 CSIRO won't commit at this level after we finsih here 13:52:00 i am sure. 13:52:14 But w#C will remain 13:52:18 the best option for us. 13:52:20 I think. 13:52:29 oo 13:53:15 CSIRO has a number of ongoing 13:53:20 projects that will use it. 13:53:29 zakim, mute kerry 13:53:29 kerry should now be muted 13:53:30 we have a lot of interest in keeping it going. 13:53:48 But I don't think we can resource this level into the future 13:54:30 we would commit to an upcoming WG 13:55:00 knoesis would like to continue 13:55:25 Ericsson is also interested. 13:55:44 we are also interested- but I am invited member 13:56:07 UPM will do as well, at least until Aug2011 13:56:37 I was thinking more on the SemWeb side 13:57:39 +q 13:57:55 what will be the status of the ontology after the XG ? Does it makes sense to have a WG to standardise it ? 13:58:06 -AlexPassant 13:58:13 zakim, unmute AlexPassant 13:58:13 sorry, ocorcho, I do not know which phone connection belongs to AlexPassant 13:58:21 +q 13:58:31 ack Payam 13:58:35 I suspect so -- a wg looks possible. 13:59:19 I am thinking a w3c group to develop a submission 13:59:36 or maybe like the lifescience s interest group? 13:59:39 s/finsih/finish/ 14:00:08 I guess it depends on the level of commitmeent we want to have 14:00:19 IG cannot produce RECs 14:00:27 but are good for gatherings, publishing notes, etc. 14:00:28 mmeber submission is ok, but a wg submission would have more status 14:00:43 -ocorcho 14:01:38 Laurent: W3C has interest gropus, and also small gropus- interest groups can produce recommendations; the question is which category our activity fits into 14:02:06 IG *cannot* produce RECs actually 14:02:29 s/can produce/ cannot produce/ 14:02:45 my phone died, will follow the chat conversation 14:03:12 (looking for Amit) 14:04:29 +q 14:04:53 Laurent: is this a topic for a W3C group? 14:05:51 s/W3C group/W3C working group 14:06:41 I'm not sure that a particular ontology would normally be interesting enough for a WG -- but in our case we are at the pointy end of web-of-data & internet of things 14:06:49 that might carry some weight 14:06:50 ack kerry 14:06:51 oo 14:06:52 Amit: typically ontology itself is not a WG 14:07:44 +q 14:07:50 I've discussed with Ivan Herman re. ontology and WG - W3C never done that but could do, nothing prevents it 14:07:54 zakim, mute Kerry 14:07:54 kerry should now be muted 14:08:18 ack Payam 14:08:34 SA-REST 14:08:48 http://www.w3.org/Submission/SA-REST/ 14:09:10 Amit, sensoir could be one of the resources... 14:09:19 s/sensoir/sensor 14:10:27 Amit, there is also work on best practices; such as semantic sensor applications best practices guideline 14:11:53 he left I think 14:15:11 Amit, there maybe an interest in developing guidelines and open source tools..? 14:15:30 Amit, doesn't see any specific requirment for a description language 14:16:12 Laurent: is interested in semantic markup and suggests some of the work in this area could be useful 14:16:56 Laurent: internet-of-things and moving from sensors to other type of applications can be also another topic of interest 14:17:07 +q 14:17:19 ack Payam 14:17:44 Uni of Surrey is interested in IoT and Wed of Data 14:18:06 s/Wed/Web 14:20:17 Amit, we can look at how to develop comprehensive applications - taking phyisical observations to perception... creating a life-cycle from sensing from multiple sources... to applications 14:20:39 s/phyisical/physical 14:21:13 Ericsson is interested in creating new information from available data and ontology. 14:21:33 Laurent: the type of higher level apps Amit talks about is partially covered by the decision XG http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/decision/ 14:21:47 I also would be interested to work on semantics of networked devices and their capabilites: sensors, actuators, communication, computing, storage, etc. 14:23:28 knoesis is working on the application of sensor data for perception, provenance, streaming data, and trust 14:23:32 Laurent: calling for connecting the ideas to ongoing work in W3C, and the work in OGC... 14:24:25 We are also working on security and privacy issues. 14:27:10 -Arthur 14:27:31 thanks, bye! 14:27:31 bye! 14:27:36 -Payam 14:27:40 bye 14:27:44 vhuang has left #ssn 14:27:51 -vhuang 14:28:19 -kerry 14:29:53 -krp 14:30:52 we are interested in whether and how sensor data can become interesting for common users 14:31:27 and then mobile applications would be a great way to make sensor data more pervasive 14:32:29 and proper semantic descriptions can help in detecting when to provide such data to users 14:35:22 Topic 6: Mapping deliverable 14:35:28 Botts: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_mappings 14:54:05 Section 3: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Motivating_Use_cases 14:54:42 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:UseCasesAndOntologyModules.png 15:00:14 QU ontology http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Agriculture_Meteorology_Sensor_Network 15:09:04 - +1.937.775.aabb 15:09:41 zakim, list attendees 15:09:41 As of this point the attendees have been laurent_csiro, Payam, ocorcho, vhuang, Arthur, +1.937.775.aabb, AlexPassant, krp, kerry 15:10:12 zakim, +1.937.775.aabb is Cory 15:10:13 sorry, laurent_csiro, I do not recognize a party named '+1.937.775.aabb' 15:11:03 rrsagent, make log public 15:11:28 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:11:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro 15:13:15 s/measurment/measurement/ 15:14:04 disconnecting the lone participant, laurent_csiro, in INC_SSN()9:00AM 15:14:07 s/demonstrate demonstrates// 15:14:07 INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended 15:14:09 Attendees were laurent_csiro, Payam, ocorcho, vhuang, Arthur, +1.937.775.aabb, AlexPassant, krp, kerry 15:14:40 s/provinance/provenance/ 15:15:17 s/paprt/part/ 15:15:54 s/example these issues/example on these issues/ 15:20:52 s/IOTA/Payam: Uni Surrey in IoTA - Internet of Things Architecture - SSN-XG ontology is a "Standardisation opportunity"/ 15:26:18 s/w#C/W3C/ 15:26:52 s/ lifescience s/ lifesciences/ 15:27:21 s/mmeber submission/member submission/ 15:27:41 s/gropus/groups/ 15:29:16 s/Topic 6/Section 6/ 15:29:33 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:29:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro 15:30:20 s/requirment/requirement 15:30:47 s/mmeber/member/ 15:31:11 s/lifescience s/lifesciences/ 15:31:15 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:31:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro 15:31:38 s/gropus/groups/ 15:33:11 s/ack ??P10// 15:33:27 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:33:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro 15:34:58 rrsagent, please generate minutes 15:34:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro 17:28:02 Zakim has left #ssn 17:47:20 ocorcho has left #ssn 17:54:45 myriam has left #ssn