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11:57:31 <Steph> zakim, this will be MW4D
11:57:33 <Zakim> ok, Steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
11:57:46 <Steph> Meeting: MW4D bi-monthly call
11:58:15 <Steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Sep/0008.html
11:58:24 <Steph> Chair:Stephane
11:59:40 <Steph> zakim, code ?
11:59:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steph
11:59:47 <Steph> PREsent:Stephane
11:59:51 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
11:59:59 <Zakim> + +358.160.aaaa
12:00:10 <Steph> zakim, aaaa is me
12:00:10 <Zakim> +Steph; got it
12:00:22 <Steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:00:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steph
12:00:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, shwetank, betty, Steph, maxf
12:01:17 <Zakim> +??P1
12:01:34 <Steph> zakim, ??p1 is shwetank
12:01:34 <Zakim> +shwetank; got it
12:01:43 <maxf> zakim, code?
12:01:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), maxf
12:02:11 <Zakim> +??P3
12:02:27 <Steph> zakim, ??p3 is Max
12:02:28 <Zakim> +Max; got it
12:02:51 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aabb
12:03:03 <Steph> zakim, aabb is Betty
12:03:03 <Zakim> +Betty; got it
12:03:04 <NicolasC> NicolasC has joined #mw4d
12:03:18 <Steph> PResent+Max
12:03:20 <Steph> PResent+Betty
12:03:35 <Steph> PResent+Shwetank
12:04:04 <Zakim> + +31.62.247.aacc
12:04:13 <Steph> zakim, aacc is Nicolas
12:04:13 <Zakim> +Nicolas; got it
12:04:30 <Steph> Present+Nicolas
12:04:38 <Steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steph, shwetank, Max, Betty, Nicolas
12:04:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see NicolasC, RRSAgent, Zakim, shwetank, betty, Steph, maxf
12:05:13 <Steph> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Sep/0008.html
12:06:21 <Steph> Topic: Business Model
12:06:51 <Steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Sep/0001.html
12:09:48 <Steph> max: premise of the document: operators can help improving a service
12:10:03 <Steph> example: shortcodes for SMS services
12:10:42 <Steph> we called that enablers because it helps provider to make services or tools more successful
12:11:59 <shwetank> q+
12:12:07 <Steph> nicolas: high level question: where do we want to go ? 
12:12:54 <Steph> examples of successful cases ? or identifying barrier entrepreneurs are facing ?
12:13:13 <Steph> enablers are only one part
12:14:06 <Steph> nicolas: star cases are helpful
12:14:19 <Steph> very hard to identify what works or not
12:15:43 <NicolasC> def business model: http://www.mediawerk.ch/nerve/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/picture-1.png
12:16:39 <Steph> shwetank: distribution channel is critical
12:16:59 <Steph> how a service is distributed to users ?
12:20:40 <Steph> nicolas: value proposition: what kind of service are you delivering
12:20:54 <Steph> on right: everything related to customers
12:21:10 <Steph> to whom you sell your apps.
12:21:32 <Steph> customer relationship: how to you reach your customer
12:21:36 <Steph> (marketing, etc)
12:21:45 <Steph> distribution: how you deliver the service
12:22:43 <Steph> key resources: what you need to do: costs etc
12:23:56 <Steph> key activities: what need to be done
12:26:44 <Steph> nicolas: missing star cases
12:26:55 <Steph> that can be described with this canvas
12:27:14 <shwetank> q+
12:27:37 <Steph> shwetank: how do we collect data ?
12:27:49 <Steph> nicolas: good question
12:27:55 <Steph> how to we idenitfy star cases
12:28:53 <Steph> nicolas: a star case==a case that reached sustainability
12:28:57 <shwetank> maybe to propose companies to the list, and agree by consensus on which ones to focus as a star case?
12:30:49 <Steph> nicolas: do we star cases ?
12:32:55 <Steph> steph: related to technologies ?
12:34:20 <Steph> nico: not really
12:34:54 <Steph> nico: starts from examples of services people succeeded to make sustainabme
12:35:00 <Steph> s/bme/ble/
12:35:37 <betty> q+
12:35:44 <Steph> ack shwetank
12:35:53 <Steph> nico: ask people on the list
12:37:59 <Steph> ack betty
12:38:20 <betty> possible star cases: m-pesa, WAP application to download
12:38:44 <Steph> betty: m-pesa and dowload music are very positive
12:38:46 <betty> download music, facebook mobiles
12:40:37 <Steph> Action: Nicolas to launch discussion on the mailing-list about business model star cases
12:42:22 <shwetank> q+
12:42:37 <betty> I agree with Stephane.
12:43:19 <Steph> stephane: difference between services driven by an operator and those by an individual
12:43:43 <Steph> nicolas: difference not that clear
12:43:50 <Steph> shwetank:+1 to Nicolas
12:44:09 <Steph> Topic: Impact Analysis
12:44:19 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_impact
12:44:53 <Steph> betty: based on itu framework for ict readiness
12:45:06 <betty> Wider mobile networks & cheaper mobile Internet tariff (mobile Web readiness) -->   more mobile Web use -->  more job offer for entrepreneurs or more knowledge resource for students,  but more expense to purchase handsets & air time, more business opportunities for people selling handsets & airtime, more opportunities for mobile web application development (mobile Web impact, case studies) -->  more mobile Web programming training (mobile Web readiness capacity),
12:46:43 <betty> more collaboration among researchers, mobile phone industry, policy makers (mobile Web readiness)
12:46:54 <Steph> q+
12:47:07 <Steph> ack shwetank
12:47:11 <Steph> ack steph
12:49:00 <Steph> steph: three quesiton
12:49:05 <Steph> mobile web ? browsing ?
12:49:29 <Steph> betty: using http, so mobile browsing
12:49:40 <Steph> steph: how do you measure social impact ?
12:50:10 <Steph> betty: some indicators reflect that: like how much you get more
12:51:24 <Steph> steph: bootstrapping conditions ?
12:51:36 <Steph> i don't believe that infrastructure
12:51:59 <Steph> betty: infrastructure, tariff 
12:52:15 <Steph> familiarity
12:53:03 <Steph> stephane: content ?
12:53:14 <Steph> betty: wikipedia can be a bootstrap
12:54:09 <Steph> steph: next steps ?
12:54:15 <Steph> indicators ?
12:54:32 <Steph> betty: will propose a table of indicators 
12:55:30 <Steph> shwetank: will be happy to look at statistics how the impact of ict: like number of bank account in rural areas
12:55:43 <Steph> betty: quantitative statistical data is great
12:55:50 <Steph> will be great to get such data
12:56:06 <Steph> shwetank: might be good to break down by domain
12:56:17 <Steph> metric per domain is good
12:56:21 <Steph> betty: sounds good
12:57:04 <Steph> Action: betty to sumarize the discussion on the list and bootstrap discussion on impact analysis*
12:57:24 <Steph> Topic: Next Meeting
12:58:11 <shwetank> wfm
12:58:46 <Steph> Next Meeting: October 4 to talk about business model and tools, impact for the enxt one
12:59:08 <betty> q+
12:59:40 <Steph> ack betty
12:59:54 <Zakim> -Betty
12:59:55 <Zakim> -shwetank
12:59:55 <Zakim> -Max
12:59:56 <Zakim> -Steph
12:59:56 <Zakim> -Nicolas
12:59:58 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
12:59:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +358.160.aaaa, Steph, shwetank, Max, +44.238.059.aabb, Betty, +31.62.247.aacc, Nicolas
13:00:02 <Steph> rrsagent, make log public
13:00:08 <Steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:00:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/13-mw4d-minutes.html Steph
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