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16:00:19 RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:00:21 Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:00:21 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:00:22 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:22 Date: 09 September 2010
16:00:33 Zakim, code?
16:00:33 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dsinger_
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16:00:37 zakim, who's here?
16:00:37 On the phone I see Judy
16:00:39 On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsinger_, paulc, rubys, Judy, Martijnc-, Julian, Stevef, oedipus, aroben, plh, MikeSmith, arronei, krijnh, mjs, laplink, anne, Jedi,
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16:00:46 ... johndrinkwater, Dashiva, pimpbot, phenny, Yudai, jmb, gavin, inimino, scotfl, hsivonen, ed_work_, hober, Shunsuke, CIA-1, webben, Philip, jwm, gsnedders, jgraham, Hixie, drry,
16:00:48 ... trackbot
16:00:50 +dsinger
16:00:52 +[HP]
16:01:04 +Sam
16:01:13 +Matt_May
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16:01:36 +[Microsoft]
16:01:51 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:01:51 +paulc; got it
16:02:18 +Plh
16:02:40 zakim, [HP] has dpenkler
16:02:41 +dpenkler; got it
16:02:49 Zakim, call Mike
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16:02:54 zakim, call janina
16:03:00 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:03:02 +Mike
16:03:04 ok, janina; the call is being made
16:03:06 +Janina
16:03:08 +Eric_Carlson
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16:03:12 +[Microsoft.a]
16:03:26 zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
16:03:26 +adrianba; got it
16:03:32 + +49.251.280.aaaa
16:03:47 Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
16:03:48 +Julian; got it
16:04:31 ScribeNick: adrianba
16:04:34 Scribe: Adrian Bateman
16:04:38 Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
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16:04:42 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0022.html
16:04:43 Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-09 - LC timeline, distributed extensibility, media accessibility from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:05:26 +Laura_Carlson
16:05:31 zakim, who's here?
16:05:32 On the phone I see Judy, [HP], dsinger (muted), Sam, Matt_May, [Microsoft], Plh, Mike, Eric_Carlson, Janina, [Microsoft.a], Julian, Laura_Carlson
16:05:38 [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
16:05:38 [HP] has dpenkler
16:05:40 [Microsoft] has paulc
16:05:42 On IRC I see eliot, eric_carlson, Laura, janina, dpenkler, adrianba, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsinger_, paulc, rubys, Judy, Martijnc-, Julian, Stevef, oedipus, aroben, plh,
16:05:46 ... MikeSmith, arronei, krijnh, mjs, laplink, anne, Jedi, johndrinkwater, Dashiva, pimpbot, phenny, Yudai, jmb, gavin, inimino, scotfl, hsivonen, ed_work_, hober, Shunsuke, CIA-1,
16:05:48 ... webben, Philip, jwm, gsnedders, jgraham, Hixie, drry, trackbot
16:05:53 + +1.206.850.aabb
16:05:59 zakim, 206.850.aabb is me
16:05:59 sorry, eliot, I do not recognize a party named '206.850.aabb'
16:06:13 zakim, 1.206.850.aabb is me
16:06:13 sorry, eliot, I do not recognize a party named '1.206.850.aabb'
16:06:36 zakim, +1.206.850.aabb is me
16:06:36 +eliot; got it
16:07:08 zakim, who is here?
16:07:09 On the phone I see Judy, [HP], dsinger (muted), Sam, Matt_May, [Microsoft], Plh, Mike, Eric_Carlson, Janina, [Microsoft.a], Julian, Laura_Carlson, eliot
16:07:13 [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
16:07:13 [HP] has dpenkler
16:07:14 [Microsoft] has paulc
16:07:15 On IRC I see eliot, eric_carlson, Laura, janina, dpenkler, adrianba, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsinger_, paulc, rubys, Judy, Martijnc-, Julian, oedipus, aroben, plh, MikeSmith,
16:07:19 ... arronei, krijnh, mjs, laplink, anne, Jedi, johndrinkwater, Dashiva, pimpbot, phenny, Yudai, jmb, gavin, inimino, scotfl, hsivonen, ed_work_, hober, Shunsuke, CIA-1, webben,
16:07:22 ... Philip, jwm, gsnedders, jgraham, Hixie, drry, trackbot
16:08:38 adrian, you on?
16:08:44 yes
16:08:55 We don't seem to have any of the chairs?
16:09:16 O, good!
16:09:33 So is Paul
16:10:00 Paul is in Japan doing his best imitation of Mike S!
16:10:07 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:10:10 adrianba, can you scribe?
16:10:19 yep, ready to go
16:10:30 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0022.html
16:10:31 Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-09 - LC timeline, distributed extensibility, media accessibility from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:11:17 Chair: Sam Ruby
16:11:29 Chair: Mike Smith
16:11:41 TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, Sep 9
16:11:54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
16:11:55 Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:57 ACTION-29?
16:11:57 ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-09-09 -- OPEN
16:11:57 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
16:11:58 Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:14 plh: first action is mine, doc license
16:12:33 ...PSIG proposed a draft which was rejected by FSF as not compatible with GPL
16:13:06 ...PSIG went to Director to ask for next steps, a survey was prepared but was withdrawn because of some gaps in the PSIG analysis
16:13:17 ...we're fixing the PSIG document and how it maps to HTML WG use cases
16:13:23 ...after that we'll resubmit the survey
16:13:33 ...don't expect any resolution before TPAC on this
16:13:44 ...suggest check back in one month to make sure progress is being made
16:13:46 action-29: plan is to put forward another survey to the W3C membership
16:13:46 ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring notes added
16:13:54 MikeSmith: should we keep the action?
16:14:03 action-29 due 2010-10-09
16:14:03 ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now 2010-10-09
16:14:04 plh: keep it open - we'll check back in a month
16:14:15 TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:14:26 ISSUE-118?
16:14:26 ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised
16:14:26 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
16:14:27 Title: ISSUE-118 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:15:50 MikeSmith: we don't have any other information on this, do we need to discuss anything on this today?
16:16:05 rubys: no, it's new - if people want to look at it then it is there
16:16:28 MikeSmith: this is related to an action outside the group related to a registration I submitted on behalf of the group
16:16:46 ...it isn't purely internal - nothing we can do this week - people should follow-up if they have anything to add
16:16:50 TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
16:16:58 ISSUE-110?
16:16:58 ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open
16:16:58 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110
16:16:59 Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:17:52 MikeSmith: we have one change proposal here to change the owner to W3C
16:18:04 ...this is closed and it seems like we have resolution on this
16:18:11 TOPIC: Items Closing This week
16:18:16 MikeSmith: None
16:18:24 TOPIC: New Calls for Consensus / Proposals this Week
16:18:30 ISSUE-116?
16:18:30 ISSUE-116 -- provide reference and info about HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives in html5 spec -- open
16:18:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/116
16:18:31 Title: ISSUE-116 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:18:42 regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
16:18:46 MikeSmith: this is for text alternatives
16:18:54 ...call for consensus closes on Sep 17
16:19:12 ...we have until then to get in comments and have discussion about it
16:19:57 TOPIC: Issue updates
16:20:08 ISSUE-85?
16:20:08 ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
16:20:08 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
16:20:09 Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:21 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066
16:20:22 1110066: faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P1, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA)
16:20:41 MikeSmith: i think we have some more updates based on the mail Maciej sent
16:20:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0087.html
16:20:59 Title: ARIA mapping status from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-09 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:21:15 bug 10066
16:21:16 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066 faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P1, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA)
16:21:29 MikeSmith: that is Maciej's summary of the issues related to bug 10066
16:21:44 rubys: this points out who Maciej thinks who owns which bugs
16:21:57 ...i agree with the assessment - if anyone has comments they should speak up
16:22:03 MikeSmith: next is issue 41
16:22:06 ISSUE-41?
16:22:06 ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
16:22:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
16:22:07 Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:22:22 MikeSmith: few items listed in the agenda
16:22:33 rubys: we have three proposals left from the original 5 or so
16:22:46 ...of those one is fully formed, the other two need updating
16:23:04 ...we have volunteers for one but not the other - if someone would like to do that they should speak up
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16:23:31 ...if they are not updated then they may fall away (i expect one to be updated)
16:23:53 TOPIC: Last Call Timeline
16:24:14 MikeSmith: hope everyone has seen the significant announcement from Maciej on behalf of the chairs
16:24:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
16:24:15 Title: Timeline to Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:24:33 ...this is a breakdown of the time line for getting to last call with milestones and consequences for missing the milestones
16:24:46 ...everyone in the group should read and provide feedback
16:25:04 ...first deadline is oct 1 for bugs to be filed
16:25:20 ...to be considered before last call, bugs after this will be treated as last call comments
16:25:45 ...bottom line is if you have bugs you want to file you should get them in now
16:25:49 q+
16:25:50 q?
16:26:30 ack ad
16:26:50 zakim, mute Judy
16:26:50 Judy should now be muted
16:27:35 adrianba: how will we make sure that work is done through the milestones?
16:27:38 adrianba: how are the chairs going to make sure that work happens during the time between the milestones instead of everybody waiting until just befor the milestone deadlines?
16:27:49 Adrian: How do we spread out the work over each work period so it does not all occur near the end?
16:27:59 rubys: i don't have a specific answer right now - we're working with ian on how bugs will be processed - we also need to focus on other issues too
16:28:24 We need feedback from spec Editors on their readiness to accept this timeline:
16:28:26 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0094.html
16:28:27 Title: RE: Timeline to Last Call from Eliot Graff on 2010-09-09 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:28:31 MikeSmith: comments and questions to the milestones and time line are welcome on public-html
16:28:48 paulc: i'm not sure how many editors of specs we have on
16:29:03 ...we also asked other editors if this was an acceptable time line
16:29:27 ...there is a message from Eliot but we need to follow-up with other editors to see how many specs will follow this plan
16:29:31 + +1.415.595.aacc
16:29:42 hi all
16:30:02 MikeSmith: i think part of the point is that the other editors have the opportunity to speak up and say that they want their specs to progress at the same rate
16:30:15 TOPIC: ISSUE-9 media accessibility requirements overview, Janina
16:30:19 ISSUE-9?
16:30:19 ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for