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19:53:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn
19:53:52 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
19:54:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:  SSN XG
19:54:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair: Laurent
19:54:23 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda:    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Sep/0001.html
19:54:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous:  2010-08-31 http://www.w3.org/2010/08/31-ssn-minutes.html
19:55:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please make record public
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19:58:09 <michael> zakim, ??P0 is me
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19:59:15 <Payam> zakim, P1 is me
19:59:15 <Zakim> sorry, Payam, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
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20:00:04 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, ??P2 is me
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20:05:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who is on the line
20:05:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', laurent_lefort_cs
20:05:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who is on the line?
20:05:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, laurent_lefort_cs.
20:06:01 <Zakim> + +61.4.097.8.aaaa
20:06:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who is here?
20:06:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see michael, Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, Arthur, Andriy, +61.4.097.8.aaaa
20:06:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see kerry, Andriy, Arthur, michael, RRSAgent, Zakim, laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, trackbot
20:07:34 <Zakim> -laurent_lefort_cs
20:08:02 <kerry> zakim, +61.4.097.8.aaa is me
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20:10:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> Scribenick: Kerry
20:10:23 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aabb
20:11:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Progress on "Module by Module" documentation (and examples)  
20:12:15 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_the_SSN_ontology
20:12:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> Page with the table with the links to all the sub-page for each module
20:12:41 <laurent_lefort_cs> SSN Sensor http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Sensor
20:14:04 <kerry> Andriy: informal overview+ some questions about measurement capabilities (wrt the ontology itself)
20:14:56 <kerry> Laurent: o'view is right detial level
20:15:11 <kerry> s/detial/detail/
20:15:33 <michael> +q
20:15:54 <kerry> Laurent: the was a figure from Raul - -could that go in too?
20:16:54 <kerry> Michael: can change CMAP labels to be more precise; also importing is tricky
20:17:47 <kerry> Laurent:  has a script to remove the labels and another to extract subclasses and then some work by hand. Happy to go through this again
20:18:29 <Payam> I'd prefer RDF-style
20:18:53 <michael> prefer rdf
20:19:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> Kerry: like the are and is
20:20:36 <michael> I'd prefer is-a to are, though
20:21:14 <Payam> subClass?
20:21:15 <kerry> Kerry: prefers the cmap style
20:21:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> Vote: Who is in favour of CMAP out of the box?
20:21:55 <michael> -1
20:21:58 <Payam> -1
20:21:59 <cory> -1
20:22:01 <Andriy> -1
20:22:04 <kerry> +1
20:22:11 <Arthur> -1
20:22:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> Abstain
20:23:24 <kerry> Decsision: apply the scipt to relable
20:23:40 <kerry> s/relable/relabel/
20:24:18 <kerry> s/Decsision/Decision
20:24:20 <Payam> +q
20:24:37 <kerry> Laurent: "sub class of" for "are"?
20:25:13 <michael> subclass and 'member of' or 'instance of' ??
20:25:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Vote: sub class of and instance of
20:26:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> +1
20:26:01 <michael> +1
20:26:06 <Andriy> +1
20:26:07 <Arthur> +1
20:26:10 <cory> +1
20:26:17 <kerry> +1
20:26:24 <Payam> none- I'd vote for standard RDFS types :)
20:26:29 <cory> subclass is one word
20:26:45 <kerry> afree with cory
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20:27:42 <Payam> -q
20:28:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
20:29:05 <michael> +1 for subclass
20:29:10 <Arthur> why not use subClassOf 
20:29:40 <kerry> also -- the camel case does not seem to be used for keywords
20:31:07 <laurent_lefort_cs> Vote: subclass instance equivalent
20:31:31 <kerry> +1
20:31:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> +1
20:31:39 <Arthur> +1
20:31:47 <Andriy> +1
20:31:48 <cory> +1
20:31:48 <michael> +1
20:33:16 <michael> +q
20:34:19 <Arthur> Laurent, I saw you also uploaded pictures of the knife examples, but those are not linked here yet.
20:34:38 <kerry> Decision: subclass instance equivalent for CMAP figures
20:35:03 <michael> The diagrams have to change anyway, as they have thing inheriting from Thing, which isn't right for the DUL alignment.
20:35:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: Laurent to regenerate the figures with the version aligned to DUL
20:35:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-50 - Regenerate the figures with the version aligned to DUL [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-09-15].
20:37:01 <kerry> Laurent:  Do we combine Raul's picture and your page? Or kepp Raul introductory and use CMAP for yours?
20:37:23 <kerry> Andriy: better to use CMAP consistently
20:37:54 <kerry> Payam: prefer Rauls' for intro section and CMAP for detail
20:38:57 <Payam> +q
20:38:58 <kerry> Laurent: other comments on this approach?
20:39:28 <michael> +q
20:39:28 <kerry> Payam: sugeest Raul's for the whole ontology and CMAP for the parts
20:40:06 <Payam> +q
20:40:10 <kerry> Michael: agree Payam. Raul's provides a nice map to the modules and their relationships
20:40:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
20:40:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
20:40:51 <kerry> Payam: if CMAP need to use rdf labelling style
20:41:26 <kerry> yes -- a simple explanation would do!
20:41:43 <michael> plus a link near each figure to the notation key
20:42:00 <kerry> laurent: a table to explain keyword/labels?
20:42:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: Laurent to provide picture and notation guide
20:42:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Provide picture and notation guide [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-09-15].
20:42:00 <Payam> +q
20:42:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Payam
20:42:33 <kerry> Payam: each figure should be self-contained in this respect
20:42:59 <kerry> Payam, Laurent: ie a legend in each figure
20:43:06 <Payam> something like this: http://www.w3.org/Submission/OWL-S/Profile-Ontology-1.1ai.gif
20:43:20 <Payam> perhaps not a very good example
20:43:56 <kerry> Laurent: agrees
20:44:43 <kerry> Andriy: question on measurement capability module
20:45:09 <kerry> Andriy: what is the righ way to design property names and also <something else>
20:46:00 <kerry> Michael: recall decision to change -- perhaps not done yet. Will do. 
20:46:22 <kerry> ACTION: michael to make those changes to measurement capability module. consult eith Andriy
20:46:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Make those changes to measurement capability module. consult eith Andriy [on Michael Compton - due 2010-09-15].
20:46:56 <kerry> s/righ/right/
20:47:45 <kerry> Andriy: modelling a sensor's measurement capabilities <broke up...>
20:48:09 <kerry> Laurent: use example in text the way you do -- this looks good
20:49:04 <kerry> Laurent: use an example in its entirety -- a compromise to offer complete description in another page?
20:49:50 <kerry> Laurent: one page per example, small text, plus then point to another page with complete figure?
20:50:02 <Payam> +q
20:50:19 <Payam> -q
20:51:08 <kerry> Payam: looks good. for deployment section should I uses Andriy's or something else?
20:51:27 <kerry> Laurent: your own example (a different one) would be good.
20:51:47 <kerry> ACTION: kerry to do example for observation module
20:51:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - Do example for observation module [on Kerry Taylor - due 2010-09-15].
20:52:45 <kerry> Laurent: DUL documentaion?
20:53:14 <kerry> ACTION: laurent to suggest Kryz does doc for DUL alignment
20:53:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Suggest Kryz does doc for DUL alignment [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-09-15].
20:54:02 <kerry> Michael: will  do subediting here.
20:54:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: XG Wrap up
20:54:39 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Incubator_Report
20:57:08 <kerry> Laurent has reorgansied report following suggestions from Arthur. Are people ok with it now?
20:59:17 <kerry> Laurent: looking for help with "recommendations" section
21:02:18 <Payam> +q
21:02:21 <michael> agree with kerry
21:02:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
21:04:04 <kerry> All: various comments on report structure
21:04:56 <kerry> All: <summary> structure is good. some concern about too much... secs 4-7 are what matters.
21:05:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> Action: Laurent to update plannned content for section 2, 3 and 7 on basis of available material
21:05:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Update plannned content for section 2, 3 and 7 on basis of available material [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-09-15].
21:06:07 <kerry> Laurent: question about importance of GeoRSS
21:07:21 <kerry> Cory: don't really want to do everything
21:07:29 <Payam> +q
21:07:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Payam
21:08:04 <kerry> Cory: suggest just mention GeoRSS in recommendations but no worked example
21:08:38 <kerry> Payam: structure is good. Do we need to do <something> for observations?
21:09:19 <kerry> Cory: we have SOS examples which covers O&M
21:10:17 <kerry> Payam: description how the ontology realtes to O&M? mapping or annotation to O&M or both
21:12:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> +q
21:12:36 <kerry> Michael: DUL alignment and O&M and our ontology are pretty well aligned
21:12:48 <michael> +q
21:12:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
21:13:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> Figure on the modules developed in priority
21:13:10 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:UseCasesAndOntologyModules.png
21:13:21 <kerry> Michael: aligns quite well and documents in ontology comments for sources of definitions
21:14:04 <Zakim> -kerry
21:15:10 <kerry> apologies: I've lost the connection (child interference) and can't get back in at this late time.
21:15:53 <kerry> which means my  notes are a bit empty.
21:16:03 <Payam> this figure is very helpful; a paragraph to explain this will help
21:16:15 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: commentinmg the picture 
21:16:28 <Payam> I'll scribe
21:16:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> The modules at the center are the most important 
21:16:56 <Payam> +q
21:17:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> The modules are the periphery (the fact that our ontology) is connected to them is important too
21:17:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Laurent_lefort_cs
21:18:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
21:18:38 <Payam> Usecase 4: covers some aspects which are not in the main scope of XG
21:19:43 <Payam> Do you have any content to contribute to section 7?
21:19:46 <Zakim> -??P2
21:19:56 <Payam> Laurent: Do you have any content to contribute to section 7?
21:21:10 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who is there?
21:21:10 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, laurent_lefort_cs.
21:21:40 <kerry> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:21:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see michael, Payam, Arthur, Andriy, +1.937.775.aabb
21:22:22 <Payam> same here
21:22:45 <laurent_lefort_cs> Sorry
21:23:22 <kerry> could be cut off due to time -- we don't normally overrun this much
21:23:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> Let's close the conf (Cory can you hang on - I'll be back)
21:23:42 <cory> sure
21:23:50 <michael> ok, bye
21:23:55 <Zakim> -michael
21:23:58 <kerry> bye!
21:24:03 <kerry> -kerry
21:24:04 <Andriy> bye!
21:24:14 <Zakim> -Andriy
21:24:28 <Payam> bye!
21:24:32 <Zakim> -Payam
21:25:58 <Zakim> -Arthur
21:28:37 <krzysztof_j> bye
21:30:59 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, +1.937.775.aabb, in INC_SSN()4:00PM
21:31:03 <Zakim> INC_SSN()4:00PM has ended
21:31:05 <Zakim> Attendees were michael, Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, Arthur, Andriy, +61.4.097.8.aaaa, kerry, +1.937.775.aabb
21:53:25 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
21:53:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
21:53:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
21:54:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/consult eith Andriy/consult with Andriy/
21:55:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/ (Cory can you hang on - I'll be back)//
21:57:07 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/ The modules are the periphery/ The modules at the periphery/
21:58:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/ (the fact that our ontology) is connected to them/and the fact that our ontology is interfaced to them/
21:58:26 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/commentinmg/commenting/
21:58:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/Usecase 4/Use case 4/
22:00:25 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/Kryz/Krzysztof/
22:00:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:00:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
22:02:04 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/kepp/keep/
22:04:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/the was/there was/
22:04:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
22:05:11 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/realtes/relates/
22:05:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/peripheryand/periphery and/ 
22:06:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:06:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
22:06:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/documentaion/documentation/
22:07:07 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:07:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
22:12:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please generate minutes
22:12:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
22:13:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, bye
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22:13:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, bye
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-actions.rdf :
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent to regenerate the figures with the version aligned to DUL [1]
22:13:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-irc#T20-35-51
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent to provide picture and notation guide [2]
22:13:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-irc#T20-42-00-1
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: michael to make those changes to measurement capability module. consult eith Andriy [3]
22:13:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-irc#T20-46-22
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kerry to do example for observation module [4]
22:13:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-irc#T20-51-47
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: laurent to suggest Kryz does doc for DUL alignment [5]
22:13:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-irc#T20-53-14
22:13:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent to update plannned content for section 2, 3 and 7 on basis of available material [6]
22:13:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-irc#T21-05-32