07:43:27 RRSAgent has joined #mediaann 07:43:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-irc 07:43:29 RRSAgent, make logs public 07:43:29 Zakim has joined #mediaann 07:43:31 Zakim, this will be MAWG 07:43:31 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 07:43:32 Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference 07:43:32 Date: 08 September 2010 07:43:51 Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Face to Face Meeting 07:44:42 Present: wonsuk, thierry, véronique, raphael, joakim, werner, chris, daniel, dong-young 07:45:00 wonsuk has left #mediaann 07:45:05 wbailer has joined #mediaann 07:45:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 07:45:33 wonsuk has joined #mediaann 07:45:56 Chair: Daniel, Joakim 07:46:28 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_SophiaF2F 07:51:27 Topic: Opening 07:51:42 Daniel introducing the face to face meeting goals 07:51:47 scribe: raphael 07:51:51 scribenick: raphael 07:52:15 Thierry: I have put all comments received on the mailing list in the tracker 07:52:22 ... goal is to resolve these comments 07:52:46 ... I will then send an answer to all commenters 07:53:02 Thierry explaining the disposition of comments process 07:55:30 http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/ 07:55:31 http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/ 08:03:25 Thierry asking if public observers can attend 08:03:30 Joakim: yes, no problem 08:04:17 Thierry: request from Alexandre Monin to attend the f2f meeting, works in IRI (Pompidou), about the timelines project: http://www.iri.centrepompidou.fr/outils/lignes-de-temps-2/ 08:04:24 ... there are more information in French 08:05:45 Dong-Young has joined #mediaann 08:05:50 ChrisP has joined #mediaann 08:06:22 Joakim has joined #mediaann 08:09:56 MA WG charter 08:09:59 http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html 08:20:39 All the room is discussing various comments received 08:21:05 Raphaêl: should give the exact status of this Ontology 08:21:31 s/Raphaêl/Raphael 08:22:06 ... and explicit what is cast in stone: a minima the name of the properties 08:22:59 Topic: LC comments for the Media Ontology 08:23:09 9 comments received: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/ 08:29:44 stegmai has joined #mediaann 08:30:30 Timed Text Markup Language (TTML) 1.0 08:30:36 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ttaf1-dfxp-20100223/ 08:39:15 Guidelines for Using W3C Last Call Tracker Tool. 08:39:16 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/guidelines-tracker-tool.html 08:39:44 Topic: LC Comment 2389 08:39:47 URI: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2389 08:40:00 We can have external subtitles 08:40:19 ... ma:relation seems to be the right way for doing this 08:40:33 the relation would be 'subtitle' 08:41:57 ... the URI would be a srt file or a WebSRT file or a TimedText file 08:42:24 Looking at whether ma:fragment could be use to embed a subtitle within a description 08:42:31 WG would not recommend to do this 08:42:55 if ma:fragment is to be used, then the URI is a W3C Media Fragment URI 08:43:04 ... and the role is the actual free text description 08:43:28 Raphael: I suggest to rename the 'role' attribute of ma:fragment into 'description' 08:44:11 present: Wonsuk, Werner, Raphael, Véronique, Joakim, Dong-Youg Lee, Daniel, Chris, Thierry 08:45:52 3 steps: Subtitles are in a different file and Ma: rematiuon is the right way 08:46:11 or embeded in the media like a track 08:46:32 and third is to use ma:fragment 08:47:51 s/Ma: Rematiuon/ma:relation 08:48:20 Raphael: for the second case, ma:numTracks should be used 08:48:45 Thierry: when do we draft answers? I would like the group approve the answers before they are out 08:48:51 Joakim: there is a hacking session tomorrow 08:49:16 ACTION: werner to draft an answer for the comment 2389 08:49:16 Created ACTION-270 - Draft an answer for the comment 2389 [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-09-15]. 08:52:11 Raphael: for semantic annotation, we cannot have yet a RDF graph as a value for a media fragment 08:52:14 ... can we? 08:52:22 Werner: the problem is to have this inline 08:52:55 ... if your triples live in a separate file, then use ma:relation 08:53:12 ... then relation would be 'annotation' 08:53:30 and the URI would be the location of the RDF file 08:53:52 ... we don't have yet a way to embed this annotation in the media description 09:00:07 Raphael: we should also look into Web SRT 09:00:19 Werner: ma:description is useful for free text description 09:00:46 ... should we allow complex semantic description with this property? 09:01:09 Wonsuk: I think ma:relation is more appropriate 09:08:46 Raphael: could use another property like ma:semantic description 09:10:11 Raphael: should coordinate and ask expertise from with the Semantic Coord Group for this kind of property 09:10:30 impact will be to review all the mapping tables 09:12:24 ACTION: troncy to contact the SW Coordination Group about how to do semantic annotation with ma:description and ma:relation alternatives 09:12:24 Created ACTION-271 - Contact the SW Coordination Group about how to do semantic annotation with ma:description and ma:relation alternatives [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-09-15]. 09:16:17 Summary: first part will be addressed by Werner, while the second part will require input from SWCG via Raphael 09:16:53 Topic: LC Comment 2403 09:16:59 http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2403 09:20:23 Raphael: we could have a new informative section to show how to use the ontology in other W3C technologies like POWDER, RDFa, ect. 09:23:00 s/ect./etc. 09:23:10 Raphael: very good idea from Phil 09:23:21 ... we could take his example as it is 09:23:52 ... I would even add a ma:description property in the descriptorset with the value being the same than the <*displaytext> 09:26:22 Joakim: we need to have a new section with Examples 09:26:54 ... such as in the API document, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/#usage-examples 09:27:18 Joakim: we need to have a new section with Relationships with other standards such as POWDE>R 09:27:27 s/POWDE>R/POWDER 09:29:43 ACTION: wonsuk to start a new section in the Ontology document providing example of usage (e.g. subtitles, powder, etc.) 09:29:43 Created ACTION-272 - Start a new section in the Ontology document providing example of usage (e.g. subtitles, powder, etc.) [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-15]. 09:29:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 09:46:17 Zakim has left #mediaann 09:58:26 Topic: LC Comment 2393 09:58:30 http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/ 10:04:02 Raphael: the question is that several container formats such as WebM, MPEG4, etc. define properties such as frameRate, description, etc. 10:04:12 ... the question is: should they be included in the mapping table? 10:04:33 Raphael: which media container formats to include? 10:04:39 ... are they spec available? 10:05:03 WebM spec: http://www.webmproject.org/code/specs/container/ 10:07:16 Joakim: the list of metadata formats covered by the mapping table is not closes 10:07:19 s/closes/closed 10:07:46 Werner: perhaps we could do something separate for all container formats 10:07:53 ... WebM, MPEG4, etc. 10:08:28 ... we don't want to have an exhaustive list of technical properties 10:10:13 Joakim: it makes sense to have a different section for these formats ... since we will map only few properties as we are not interested in technical properties, see Use Case and Requirements document 10:11:54 Raphael: Speex seems to be a ogg container 10:12:10 Raphael: I suggest to have a list of media container formats concerned by this new section 10:12:11 Raphael: if you cover ogg you cover Speex 10:13:14 ... most likely: OGG, MPEG4, WebM, flv, avi?, 3gp? 10:13:42 Veronique: for OGG, Silvia has made a mapping 10:13:49 MPEG21? 10:15:39 Werner: mxf? 10:16:36 Werner: mov 10:19:49 Chris: do we do something for the other media? still images? 10:20:06 Werner: we have already EXIF ... we could argue that there are some jpeg with no exif and relevant metadata 10:20:13 ... but I suggest to not go this way 10:23:52 wonsuk has left #mediaann 10:23:53 wonsuk has joined #mediaann 10:28:46 Joakim: we need to have a volunteer to make this new section with mapping tables for the media container format 10:29:13 raphael: for media container format mappings, Keep just title and the technical properties 10:29:24 ... mapping table will include the technical properties and title|description 10:29:49 Joakim: who volunteers for an action? 10:29:49 some refs for container formats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats 10:31:49 Raphael: another ref from the Media Fragments WG: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art/Containers 10:32:48 ACTION: Thierry to prepare the mapping table for the media container formats 10:32:49 Created ACTION-273 - Prepare the mapping table for the media container formats [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-15]. 10:48:30 Raphael: sometimes there is an empty row, sometimes there is a N/A 10:48:35 ... what is the semantics of N/A 10:49:38 what is the semantics of the empty row? 10:50:00 Room agrees to put N/A in the second column as for the OGG mapping table 10:50:18 ACTION: thierry to check all mapping tables and add N/A when it is needed 10:50:18 Created ACTION-274 - Check all mapping tables and add N/A when it is needed [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-15]. 10:50:19 Put N/A in the second column 11:57:43 ... in all the mapping tables. 12:03:51 Comment LC-2398 12:04:14 Veronique to draft a response about our light weith approach. 12:04:49 Thierry will update the response. 12:11:22 scribenick vero 12:12:59 ACTION: Joakim and Wonsuk to deal with with the editorial comments of the LC comment 2405 12:13:00 Created ACTION-275 - And Wonsuk to deal with with the editorial comments of the LC comment 2405 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-15]. 12:17:10 Raphael: for the ontology implementation/description, what should be done is 12:17:24 ... make clear prose to define classes, properties of the ontologies, the values that they can have 12:17:48 ... be sure that there are no different classes/properties with same intended semantics 12:18:06 ... provide the implementation that we are currently doing as THE RDF/OWL version of the ontology, leave it open for an modeling in other languages 12:18:50 ... in the new version of the document, add the promised appendix (the ontology's appendix) and link your comments to the appendix 12:19:36 Joakim: check out the status of the appendix when we go through the doument, because this section has to be updated 12:19:47 ... based on Raphael's comment 12:26:51 Joakim: we have to add in the Media Ontology document that the list of properties/classes and mappings described are normative, and so is the RDF/OWL version of the ontology that is provided in the appendix 12:26:57 ... in future work 12:27:38 ... we have to specify in the section that points to the appendix that the RDF/OWL is the authoritative representation of the Media Ontology 12:30:47 Doug's LC comments point to the "column syntax", column is used as a prefix for the namespace and also in the Type definition, but for another semantic 12:31:22 Raphael's proposal: keep ma: as a prefix and change the syntax of the type definition to attribute name/attribute value pairs in prose 12:31:44 ACTION: Joakim to change the type definition into the new syntax 12:31:44 Created ACTION-276 - Change the type definition into the new syntax [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-15]. 12:35:06 ACTION: vero to check out whether we do not say anymore that "ma" is the namespace, but that it is the prefix for it, in the Ontology document 12:35:06 Sorry, couldn't find user - vero 12:35:23 ACTION: Veronique to check out whether we do not say anymore that "ma" is the namespace, but that it is the prefix for it, in the Ontology document 12:35:23 Sorry, couldn't find user - Veronique 12:39:12 NEW AGENDA ITEM: RDF TF will be discussed from 3 - 4 PM today. 12:41:54 joakim_ has joined #mediaann 12:43:49 LC comment: the ontology applies only to stored digital medias, and the document should specify it 12:44:16 Werner: this is not totally accurate, as long as the resource can be identified by a URI, it is OK 12:44:29 ... can be a tape, can be offline, it does not matter 12:45:45 LC comment: PBcore should be added to the mapping list and the original broadcast date should be added in the property list 12:45:53 Werner: PBcore could be added 12:46:00 tobiasb has joined #mediaann 12:46:07 Werner: second point can be dealt with with ma:createDate 12:46:17 Chris: agree could also provide an example 12:47:04 Werner: shall we invite her to do the mapping and submit it? 12:47:09 Joakim: +1 12:47:14 Thierry: +1 12:47:21 +1 12:49:00 ACTION: Chris to add a line for the "broadcastDate" property attribute 12:49:00 Created ACTION-277 - Add a line for the "broadcastDate" property attribute [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-09-15]. 12:49:17 raphael has joined #mediaann 12:52:41 LC comment 2411 3rd bullet: more complex content description and time-dependent description 12:53:50 Werner: same answer as for the "embedded subtitle" case for 2nd part, and we have to decide on a way of representing semantic descriptions... can also point her to the fact that there are separate properties for keywords, genre too 12:54:42 LC comment 2411 follow-up: include also preservation metadata? 12:54:48 Joakim: out of scope 13:04:11 Tobias, The Zakim bridge numbers are 13:04:15 US: +1.617.761.6200 , 13:04:17 FR: +33.4.26.46.79.03 13:04:19 UK: +44.203.318.0479 13:04:21 with code 26632 (CONF2) 13:06:09 I guess it is better to use the US number. We are connected to it ... 13:09:32 TOPIC: Tobias is online, so we're discussing the status of the RDF implementation of the Media Ontology 13:11:39 Tobias: agrees to have one authoritative RDF version 13:12:01 ... we should align the version I am working on with Jean-Pierre with Raphael's implementation 13:12:26 ... we did not implement the mappings yet, but the vocabulary modeling is quite stable now 13:12:50 ... implemented PIerre-Antoine's comments, except one that is still open discussion 13:13:07 ... in my opinion, it can be published in W3C space 13:14:23 Werner: what is the rationale for the subclassing of creator and contrinbutor 13:15:27 Werner: what is the rational for the Actor class, because it's not part of the Media Ontology document, we should be careful if this represents the authoritative RDF version of the ontology 13:15:56 Tobias: subclasses represented the roles that the actors or organizations can play 13:16:42 Werner: problem is that in EBUcore, the classes are disjoint if I recall correctly, and in MPEG7 the sublassing is dont in the inverse way 13:16:49 ... so we should discuss this 13:16:58 Tobias: indeed Actor is not in the ontology 13:17:13 Werner: so we have to precise what is normative nad what is not 13:17:22 s/nad/and/ 13:18:17 Daniel: can you give us an update on the model? 13:19:08 Tobias: we fixed domain errors, discussed on the list the fact that some properties should not apply to certain type of media document (like: doe snot apply to images) 13:19:21 ... Pierre-Antoine commented on that 13:20:08 ... proposed to define an image as a media document with a duration 0 13:20:19 ... which can be something else, though 13:20:34 ... Jean-PIerre proposed the notion of "isMadeOf" 13:21:08 ... latest version of the ontology is at http://www.salzburgresearch.at/~tbuerger/ma-ont-rev7.owl 13:21:45 ... mapping is not dealt with yet, the problem with the mappings is that you need more than OWL to model them, you need rules 13:21:57 Werner: we modeled some of these rules 13:22:09 ... datatypes mappings are dealt with in a second step 13:22:20 ... and structural changes are hard to express 13:24:39 Vero: it owuld be useful for the clarification of the Media Ontology document to have two instances of media documents and implement the properties like ma:related 13:25:08 to give the reader concrete examples of how this is represented, particularly for the "complex types" 13:26:03 Tobias: would be useful, but do you have an idea of what language to use for these annotations? 13:26:52 ... for the mappings, we can refer to services that do the mappings 13:27:52 Werner: we check for which property in the source file maps to which property in the target format/file, and then we do datatype conversions etc 13:31:53 The mappings do not have to be implemented in the RDF representation of the Media Ontology, all of the properties yes 13:34:01 Joakim: we have to check out that we do not include in the RDF ontology properties/classes that are not in the Media Ontology document 13:34:38 Chris: and the other way around: we have to make sure that all the Ontology Document properties and classes are covered in the RDF implementation 13:35:24 Joakim: how should we format the appendix document? 13:35:43 Thierry: if I get the OWL file I can include it in the Media Ontology document 13:35:59 Thierry: when can we have a version that is "includable"? 13:36:05 Tobias: next week is ok 13:36:49 Thierry: great, then we can indeed link the comment's answers to the RDF ontology in the appendix 13:53:42 the RDF Implementation OWL ma-ont-rev7 from the RDFS Taskforce is now available at 13:54:41 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/CR/ma-ont-rev7.owl 14:04:18 fsasaki has joined #mediaann 14:08:51 Raphael: Hum, I'm trying to follow some of the modeling decision, there is one thing I disagree: an image is NOT a video of duration 0 14:09:06 ... we discussed this in the Media Fragments WG, a video of duration 0 is a video 14:09:09 ... not a still image 14:09:22 ... don't change the mime type 14:09:31 .. HTML5 has the same rationale 14:09:39 ... and they invent the poster for extracting an image of a video 14:11:59 hr raphael, "an image is a video of duration 0" is not modeled in our current version as Vero said, JP and myself disagreed to the proposal from PA 14:16:43 I'm happy yo agree with Tobias and Jean Pierre on this :-) 14:16:47 ... it is not that usual 14:16:54 no 14:17:22 ReDeFer is made by Roberto Garcia and Oscar Celma, maintained by the former 14:17:36 ... but I'm talking about the script that Yves, Dan, etc. have made 14:17:48 ... to generate MusicOntology, FOAF, SIOC, etc. 14:19:05 I have the perl script on my machine, not easy to throw on irc :-) 14:19:16 ... but I'm sure google will tell you where it is ;-) 14:20:56 Find it! 14:20:59 Name = SpecGen 14:21:15 Original version from @dajobe, part of redland, http://crschmidt.net/semweb/redland/ 14:21:30 New version hosted on DERI: http://sw.deri.org/svn/sw/2005/08/sioc/ontology/spec/specgen4.py 14:21:44 ... there is python and prolog version 14:30:37 scribenick ChrisP 14:31:44 current topic: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2417 14:31:59 comment 2417 14:32:31 on copyright and policy properties 14:33:07 David Singer has initiated some comments on this on the mailing list 14:35:16 tmichel has joined #mediaann 14:40:26 tmichel: we keep copyright as is 14:40:59 veronique: we will use the proposed refinements for the type 14:41:26 then the existing: { (policy:URI|String), (type:String)? } 14:41:59 becomes { (identifier:URI), (statement:String), (type:String)? } 14:42:19 as attributes for the ma:policy property 14:42:33 werner: we should respond that we understand that there is an overlap 14:42:54 werner: but there is a need from the industry to keep the seperate copyright 14:43:29 and we need it for the copyright property mapping 14:44:20 ACTION: Werner to draft a response to this comment 14:44:20 Created ACTION-278 - Draft a response to this comment [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-09-15]. 14:44:37 joakim: we should integrate the given examples in the document 14:45:43 werner: we an ask to provide more information on the given examples 14:46:25 next topic: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2418 14:46:48 comment 2418 14:47:35 first part are editorial comments 14:48:01 there is a problem with the CSS rule 14:49:23 ACTION: Thierry to look into problems with the CSS rule 14:49:23 Created ACTION-279 - Look into problems with the CSS rule [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-15]. 14:50:09 veronique will tackle some of the editorial comments 14:51:39 joakim: we have to check the normative and informative parts of the document 14:51:58 Action: Joakim to check the normative parts of the document according to comment 2418 14:51:58 Created ACTION-280 - Check the normative parts of the document according to comment 2418 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-15]. 14:55:55 a substantive comment is made by robin about a statement in the document stating that the definitions in the ontology document MAY change 14:57:02 compatibility with the API document should not be a problem 14:57:20 what about the claimed compatibility with the HTML 5 W3C Working Draft 14:59:03 werner: Florian has mentioned something related to the name collisions with HTML 5 15:02:32 Action: Werner to follow up the comment of Robin about the HTML 5 compatibility issue by contacting Florian 15:02:32 Created ACTION-281 - Follow up the comment of Robin about the HTML 5 compatibility issue by contacting Florian [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-09-15]. 15:04:44 Action: Wonsuk to follow up the comment on the namespaces 15:04:44 Created ACTION-282 - Follow up the comment on the namespaces [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-15]. 15:08:48 to deal with the second substantial comment we will change SHOULD to MUST 15:09:40 to deal with the third substantial comment we will change SHOULD to RECOMMENDED 15:10:22 next issue is on the description of the location property 15:11:00 is there a controlled vocabulary for a coordinate system 15:13:57 werner: we could give an example of a good use of the location property 15:15:13 example of geolocation vocabulary 15:15:14 http://www.geoconcept.com/WGS84.html 15:15:35 http://www.georss.org/Main_Page 15:15:42 werner: maybe ask Geo Location WG for an example, or a good controlled vocabulary 15:17:17 Action: Daniel to send mail to Geolocation WG for an example, or controlled vocabularies that can be used for the ma:location property 15:17:17 Sorry, couldn't find user - Daniel 15:18:19 http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types-parameters 15:18:40 next question is whether ma:format includes media type parameters 15:18:45 it is not really clear what is meant here 15:20:02 Action: daniel to send mail to Geolocation WG for an example, or controlled vocabularies that can be used for the ma:location property 15:20:02 Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel 15:21:49 Action: daniel to send mail to Geolocation WG for an example, or controlled vocabularies that can be used for the ma:location property 15:21:49 Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel 15:22:20 Action: spark3 to send mail to Geolocation WG for an example, or controlled voca that can be used for the ma:location property 15:22:20 Created ACTION-283 - Send mail to Geolocation WG for an example, or controlled voca that can be used for the ma:location property [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2010-09-15]. 15:24:19 werner: the ma:format allows the MIME type as a string so media type parameters could be added 15:26:02 joakim: this is a topic for David 15:26:24 Action: werner to mail David Singer about the inclusion of media type parameters in the ma:format property 15:26:25 Created ACTION-284 - Mail David Singer about the inclusion of media type parameters in the ma:format property [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-09-15]. 15:27:12 Action: joakim to check the normative statemens according to the editorial comment of Robin 15:27:12 Created ACTION-285 - Check the normative statemens according to the editorial comment of Robin [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-15]. 15:29:23 we will fill the XPATH column in for every table 15:29:54 Action: thierry to update the XPATH columns of the mapping tables 15:29:54 Created ACTION-286 - Update the XPATH columns of the mapping tables [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-15]. 15:31:39 some information should be added to the introduction of 4.2.2 to describe the tables and columsn 15:32:08 s/columsn/columns 15:32:57 Action: Joakim to include information to the introduction of 4.2.2 to describe the tables and columns 15:32:57 Created ACTION-287 - Include information to the introduction of 4.2.2 to describe the tables and columns [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-15]. 15:36:19 Action: felix to unify the XPATH expressions in the mapping tables according to the last substantial comment of Robin 15:36:19 Created ACTION-288 - Unify the XPATH expressions in the mapping tables according to the last substantial comment of Robin [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-09-15]. 15:36:30 Guys, for a good location vocabulary, there is the W3C one :-) WGS84 !!! http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/ 15:38:37 Action: Joakim to deal with the last editorial comment of Robin 15:38:37 Created ACTION-289 - Deal with the last editorial comment of Robin [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-15]. 15:39:20 only one comment is left 15:39:27 will be scheduled first thing tomorrow 15:40:36 the LC Comments on the API document are also postponed to tomorrow 15:41:53 Have a good dinner guys if you're adjourning for today 15:42:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 15:45:11 wonsuk has left #mediaann 15:47:30 s/next topic:/Topic: 15:47:40 s/current topic:/Topic: 15:48:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 16:19:41 dsinger has joined #mediaann 16:26:01 fsasaki has joined #mediaann 16:33:21 fsasaki has joined #mediaann