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11:54:32 <Steph> Meeting: MW4D bi-monthly call
11:55:01 <Steph> Agenda:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Sep/0000.html
11:55:05 <Steph> chair:Stephane
11:55:11 <Steph> present:stephane
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12:00:18 <Steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
12:00:18 <Zakim> ok, Steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start now
12:00:23 <Steph> zakim, code ?
12:00:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steph
12:00:29 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
12:00:37 <Zakim> +Stephane
12:01:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:01:27 <Steph> zakim, [IPcaller] is Stephanie
12:01:27 <Zakim> +Stephanie; got it
12:01:35 <Steph> PResent+Stephanie
12:01:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:01:50 <Steph> zakim, [IPcaller] is Maxf
12:01:50 <Zakim> +Maxf; got it
12:01:51 <maxf> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
12:01:51 <Zakim> sorry, maxf, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
12:02:05 <Steph> Present+Max
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12:06:34 <Steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Sep/0000.html
12:06:43 <Steph> topic: actions
12:06:53 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2010/08/23-mw4d-minutes.html#ActionSummary
12:06:54 <Zakim> +Betty
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12:07:05 <Steph> Present+Betty
12:07:24 <NicolasC> Hello there, Nicolas from TNO on IRC only apology for the late arrival
12:07:35 <Steph> ok
12:07:42 <Steph> Present+Nicolas(IRC)
12:08:05 <Steph> action around creating pages on the wiki
12:08:06 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Main_Page
12:08:17 <Steph> 4 more pages
12:08:22 <Steph> one on I18N
12:09:23 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/madrid/cfp
12:10:42 <maxf> q+
12:10:57 <Steph> one on education, banking, agriculture
12:11:08 <Steph> max: relation with stories
12:12:13 <shwetank> Hi - Shwetank Here on IRC only ... on slow connection here. Im trying multiple times to connect but having problems .... Will be present on IRC though
12:12:27 <Steph> Present+Shwetank(IRC)
12:12:38 <Steph> steph: stories==use cases
12:12:55 <Steph> here more a note mapping actors of the domain, type of tasks, tools and process ertc
12:13:01 <Steph> s/ert/et/
12:13:13 <Steph> ack maxf
12:13:36 <Steph> Topic: Tools 
12:13:47 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_tools
12:14:22 <Steph> stephanie: incorporated feedback from the last discussion
12:15:01 <Steph> added a section about criteria to select tools
12:15:08 <Steph> which tools should we consider
12:15:20 <Steph> just a page header not content, but needs to be developed
12:15:44 <Steph> stephanie: split end-user and people deploying tools
12:15:54 <Steph> didn't get comments so far
12:16:24 <Steph> comments ?
12:18:35 <maxf> steph: like organisation by target. Also services providing information and getting information (push or pool) is an important dimension.
12:18:42 <maxf> … not sure where to capture it.
12:19:13 <maxf> … also licensing: should probably be stripped. Different between using a tool that's free or not, or whether it's open source or not
12:19:48 <maxf> … when we come to open source, there are also other dimensions like communities behind tools, releases, etc.
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12:20:15 <betty> q+
12:20:38 <maxf> … also about hosting: on a computer, on the web, on a phone, in the cloud
12:21:13 <maxf> … also to know if a tool is a software package, or a service
12:21:31 <maxf> … eg clickatell is a service, but frontlineSMS is a software package. Ushahidi is now both
12:22:14 <maxf> … last comment: 2nd table seems to be missing a section around end-use profile: language, illiteracy and other requirements on the user.
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12:23:12 <StephB> q?
12:23:36 <maxf> … also you should launch a specific discussion section about it
12:23:43 <betty> Has someone tried to map a tool or several tools with tool review methodology? It can check how feasible the methodoloy is.
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12:24:42 <setphboy> ack betty
12:24:45 <setphboy> q?
12:24:54 <maxf> stephanierieger: we haven't done it yet. I suggested 2 tools, possibly 3, so we can compare them
12:25:03 <shwetank> How about we take that as the next step? mapping tools to these criteria as betty pointed out ... might get more insights on what to add or edit?
12:25:05 <maxf> … no one answered yet.
12:25:57 <maxf> maxf: what sort of tool is it?
12:26:41 <betty> q+
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12:27:32 <maxf> q?
12:28:12 <maxf> Steph: in my view, there are 2 families of tools. One is the SMS hub (gnokki, frontlinesms, rapidsms)
12:28:22 <maxf> … might be a good guinea pig for testing
12:28:36 <maxf> … other family I had in mind is data collection tools
12:28:58 <maxf> … SMS forms, openRosa, web tools, etc.
12:29:15 <maxf> … that's a likely good candidate.
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12:29:34 <setphb2> ack betty
12:30:28 <maxf> on the wiki page, twitter and facebook are mentioned. Are we going to consider them?
12:30:45 <maxf> s/on the/Betty: on the/
12:30:58 <betty> Thanks Max.
12:31:25 <maxf> Steph: personally I would focus on the kind of social networks can be enabled, not the ones existing. 
12:31:54 <maxf> … looking at what kind of services they enables, rather than what they are.
12:32:10 <maxf> s/enables/enable/
12:32:46 <maxf> … happy to start the discussion here. It's important for me tools that provide services and information to people
12:33:09 <maxf> … certainly there are families of tools we can consider, like social networks.
12:33:36 <maxf> … as a family of functions. Then specific ones like Mixit in Africa, for instance.
12:35:43 <stephanierieger> I wonder if we will be able to use the same criteria to assess social networks as they rely on 3rd parties (hosting, roadmap etc.) substantially more than other tools
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12:40:26 <Steph> q?
12:40:52 <maxf> [big gap in minuting, sorry]
12:41:24 <stephanierieger> yes
12:42:03 <Steph> Topic: business model
12:42:10 <Steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Sep/0001.html
12:42:20 <Steph> http://public.webfoundation.org/2010/08/mobile_enablers
12:44:43 <maxf> Topic: structure of domain specific pages
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12:45:11 <maxf> Steph: I created a couple of pages specific to education, banking and agriculture.
12:45:19 <maxf> … most people interested aren't here today
12:45:33 <NicolasC> specific on business models?
12:45:34 <maxf> … wanted to check if anybody has feeling on what to put in those pages
12:46:38 <NicolasC> first I guess we should try to identify business models that work potentially per sector
12:46:39 <maxf> … Interesting to see what actors are involved, usual profile of those actors. For instance we've worked with farmers in Burkina and other countries, and they often have the same profile, making them appropriate for families of technology
12:46:58 <maxf> … will look at it for agro.
12:47:24 <Steph> Nicolas, we decided that we will have the discussion at the next meeting
12:47:31 <Steph> so good if you can attend
12:47:41 <NicolasC> oups I missed that line
12:48:09 <maxf> maxf: health?
12:48:25 <maxf> Steph: for now pages are created from people's interests.
12:48:56 <maxf> … if there are expressions  of interest on health, of government services, then we can create more pages.
12:49:12 <stephanierieger> what you've suggested sounds good: common tasks, concepts, profile of actors, case studies, examples of existing litterature/research on the topic
12:49:17 <betty> q+
12:49:25 <Steph> ack betty
12:49:41 <Steph> betty: good to make links with the stories
12:49:44 <Steph> good start
12:50:43 <Steph> betty: added introduction
12:50:49 <shwetank> question: there maybe some companies or tools, the success of which is still undecided....should be include them in case studies or not?
12:50:57 <shwetank> *should we
12:51:21 <Steph> shwetank: i think that's a good question
12:51:37 <Steph> we debated earlier on the criterai for selecting tools
12:51:40 <Zakim> -Betty
12:51:47 <Steph> so we will bring that to the agenda next time too
12:52:00 <shwetank> great, looking forward to it
12:52:26 <Steph> Topic: Next Meeting
12:52:32 <Zakim> +Betty
12:53:13 <stephanierieger> ok for me
12:53:27 <NicolasC> which topic then?
12:54:05 <stephanierieger> not for me
12:54:15 <Steph> so at least business model
12:54:19 <Steph> impact analysis
12:54:31 <betty> 13 Sep is OK, not 27 Sep
12:54:42 <Steph> nicolas, is September 13 ok for you ?
12:54:49 <NicolasC> yes
12:54:52 <Steph> great
12:54:56 <shwetank> 13 is better for me too
12:55:02 <Steph> great
12:55:32 <Steph> resolution: next meeting september 13
12:55:51 <Zakim> -Stephane
12:55:53 <Zakim> -Stephanie
12:55:55 <Zakim> -Maxf
12:55:58 <Zakim> -Betty
12:55:59 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
12:56:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Stephane, Stephanie, Maxf, Betty
12:56:11 <Steph> rrsagent, make log public
12:56:16 <Steph> rrsagent, make minutes
12:56:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/06-mw4d-minutes.html Steph
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