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12:59:09 <abarsto> ScribeNick: ArtB
12:59:09 <abarsto> Scribe: Art
12:59:09 <abarsto> Date: 2 September 2010
12:59:09 <abarsto> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0662.html
12:59:09 <abarsto> Chair: Art
12:59:10 <abarsto> Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
12:59:24 <abarsto> RRSAgent, make minutes
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13:00:42 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:00:56 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:00:58 <Zakim> +Steven
13:01:57 <Zakim> + +1.479.524.aaaa
13:02:19 <abarsto> Present: ArtB, SteveP, Marcos
13:02:46 <abarsto> Topic: Review and tweak agenda
13:02:54 <abarsto> AB: the draft agenda was posted yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0662.html ). Any comments or change requests?
13:03:40 <abarsto> Topic: Announcements
13:03:47 <abarsto> AB: TPAC week is November 1-5. I don't expect widgets group to meet since we can use voice conferences. A request for agenda topics was submitted a few days ago ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0648.html ). For TPAC info see ( http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/ ).
13:04:34 <abarsto> SP: yes, use corridors for discussions
13:04:38 <abarsto> MC: that's OK with me
13:04:56 <abarsto> SP: I have a clash with WebApps' meeting
13:05:37 <abarsto> Topic: Packaging and Configuration spec
13:05:44 <abarsto> AB: Marcos and others at Opera have been working on the P&C test suite ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/test-suite/ ). What's the status? 
13:06:37 <abarsto> MC: we finished the I18N tests
13:06:45 <abarsto> ... I still have an action to notify the I18N WG
13:06:59 <abarsto> ... It's a bit hard to find the right tests
13:07:11 <abarsto> ... So I have some work to do to indentify the tests we want them to review
13:07:26 <abarsto> ... Can find them if look real hard
13:07:42 <Marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/test-suite/#unknown-assertions
13:07:56 <abarsto> MC: the tests are done
13:08:21 <abarsto> ... but I still have some work to do re linking those I18N tests into the framework
13:08:41 <abarsto> AB: what's the target date?
13:08:52 <abarsto> MC: I'm aiming for Sep 9
13:09:33 <abarsto> AB: thanks for this update!
13:09:54 <abarsto> MC: I will soon be ready to ask I18N WG for review
13:09:59 <Marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/test-suite/test-cases/
13:10:20 <abarsto> MC: can find R2L and L2R if look
13:10:28 <abarsto> ... but not easy to find the descriptions
13:10:44 <abarsto> ... we can't expect them to check all 100+ test cases
13:10:56 <abarsto> ... but if they can review some, that would be useful
13:12:06 <abarsto> AB: I think it makes sense to link those tests to the framework before we ask them for review
13:12:12 <abarsto> MC: OK, that's what we'll do
13:12:30 <abarsto> AB: as a consequence of new tests, the P&C Implementation Report shows no implementation passes 100% of the tests. Is there any new data since we last discussed the IR ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/imp-report/ )?
13:13:13 <abarsto> MC: no, we don't have any other feedback for I18N besides Opera
13:13:22 <abarsto> ... we definitely need one more implementor
13:13:56 <abarsto> ACTION: barstow ask WG members and the Public for implementation data re P&C spec's I18N tests
13:13:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-573 - Ask WG members and the Public for implementation data re P&C spec's I18N tests [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-09].
13:14:17 <abarsto> MC: I can also ask people
13:14:30 <abarsto> ... even if the impl is not public, that's OK, right?
13:14:36 <abarsto> AB: yes, I believe that is true
13:14:47 <abarsto> Topic: Digital Signature spec
13:14:53 <abarsto> AB: Marcos and others at Opera have also been working on the DigSig test suite ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-digsig/test-suite/ ). What's the status? 
13:15:45 <abarsto> MC: yes, I have created 42 test cases 
13:15:55 <Marcos> Signer (8 assertions, 10 tests, 88% coverage)
13:15:55 <Marcos> Validator (13 assertions, 19 tests, 85% coverage)
13:15:55 <Marcos> Implementation (16 assertions, 17 tests, 75% coverage)
13:17:53 <abarsto> MC: this is a very hard test suite to create
13:19:09 <abarsto> AB: is there any new data regarding implementations ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-digsig/imp-report/ )?
13:19:32 <abarsto> AB: I am not aware of any impl data related to DigSig
13:19:48 <abarsto> Topic: Widget Interface spec
13:19:54 <abarsto> AB: last week we agreed to remove openURL method from the Widget object. Consequently, the spec will next be published as a Last Call WD.
13:20:16 <abarsto> AB: After the LC comment period ends, assuming no major new issues are raised, we may be able to skip another CR and directly publish a PR. Normally, when a LC is published a Call for Exclusion period is started. In this case, if no new normative statements were added to the spec, it may be possible to skip the CfE. If the CfE isn't skipped, a PR cannot be published while there is an open CfE period. 
13:21:05 <abarsto> AB: CfE period is 8 weeks
13:21:11 <abarsto> AB: the difference, roughly, is a PR being published in early October versus early December.
13:21:27 <abarsto> AB: Marcos, have any NEW Normative statements been added to the spec since the CR was published in December 2009?
13:21:48 <abarsto> MC: I don't think so
13:22:04 <abarsto> ... I think we are just removing functionality
13:22:08 <abarsto> ... I can do a compare
13:22:26 <abarsto> AB: when it comes to IP issues, I think we need to be conservative
13:22:46 <abarsto> MC: I already removed openURL
13:22:54 <abarsto> ... and removed some dependencies
13:23:05 <abarsto> ... but some dependencies we cannot break
13:24:00 <abarsto> MC: I can determine the assertion lists from the latest ED and the Dec 2009 CR
13:24:40 <abarsto> AB: I would like that analysis to be public e.g. public-webapps or www-archive
13:24:53 <abarsto> ... can you do that Marcos?
13:24:57 <abarsto> MC: yes, I can do that
13:25:28 <abarsto> AB: none of this analysis blocks publishing a new LC
13:26:01 <abarsto> AB: what do people think about publishing a new LCWD?
13:26:25 <abarsto> AB: I propose we publish a new LCWD as soon as possible which means September 7. Any objections?
13:27:05 <abarsto> MC: OK; I do want to make a couple of Editorial changes
13:27:16 <abarsto> SP: no comment; that's fine
13:27:19 <abarsto> AB: I support it
13:27:37 <abarsto> RESOLUTION: the group agrees to publish a new LCWD of the Widget Interface spec
13:28:12 <abarsto> ACTION: marcos notify ArtB when the ED of the Widget Interface spec is ready to be published as a LCWD
13:28:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-574 - Notify ArtB when the ED of the Widget Interface spec is ready to be published as a LCWD [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-09-09].
13:28:29 <abarsto> AB: re length of comment period
13:28:45 <abarsto> ... we can go with the minimum of 3 weeks
13:28:48 <abarsto> MC: ok
13:29:08 <abarsto> AB: OK, so a pub date of Sept 7 means LC ends Sep 28
13:29:30 <abarsto> SP: who will ask for review?
13:29:44 <abarsto> AB: good question; I'll check the Chairs archive
13:30:11 <abarsto> ... last time it was BONDI but they have morphed to WAC
13:30:20 <abarsto> ... so we can notify WAC via David Rogers
13:30:45 <abarsto> ACTION: barstow notify WAC / David Rogers re new LC of Widget Interface spec
13:30:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-575 - Notify WAC / David Rogers re new LC of Widget Interface spec [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-09].
13:31:20 <abarsto> Topic: WebIDL
13:31:25 <abarsto> SP: what is the status
13:31:36 <abarsto> MC: Cameron is coming back as Lead Editor
13:31:49 <abarsto> SP: it is needed in RDFa
13:32:47 <abarsto> AB: Cameron is going to work for Mozilla and will start editing Web IDL again in October
13:33:24 <abarsto> Topic: WARP PAG
13:33:37 <abarsto> SP: I recently contacted Rigo Wenning about the WARP PAG status
13:34:25 <abarsto> ... and Rigo reported the telcos should resume soon
13:35:05 <abarsto> Topic: AOB
13:35:34 <abarsto> MC: I fixed the view-mode test suite
13:35:41 <abarsto> AB: yes, I saw that e-mail
13:35:47 <abarsto> ... thanks for the updates!
13:36:00 <abarsto> MC: we need to get some review of those tests
13:36:06 <abarsto> ... probably should ask the CSS WG
13:36:19 <Marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf/test-suite/#product-ua
13:36:35 <abarsto> ACTION: barstow work with Marcos to ask the CSS WG to review the view-mode test cases
13:36:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-576 - Work with Marcos to ask the CSS WG to review the view-mode test cases [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-09].
13:36:57 <abarsto> MC: make sure you mention the test cases are for wiget implementations
13:37:11 <abarsto> AB: next call in 2 weeks IFF there is sufficient reason
13:38:06 <abarsto> ... that is Sept 16
13:38:13 <abarsto> AB: meeting adjourned
13:38:20 <Zakim> -Steven
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13:38:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Art_Barstow, Steven, +1.479.524.aaaa
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13:39:18 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-wam-actions.rdf :
13:39:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow ask WG members and the Public for implementation data re P&C spec's I18N tests [1]
13:39:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-wam-irc#T13-13-56
13:39:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: marcos notify ArtB when the ED of the Widget Interface spec is ready to be published as a LCWD [2]
13:39:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-wam-irc#T13-28-12
13:39:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow notify WAC / David Rogers re new LC of Widget Interface spec [3]
13:39:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-wam-irc#T13-30-45
13:39:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow work with Marcos to ask the CSS WG to review the view-mode test cases [4]
13:39:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-wam-irc#T13-36-35