13:50:35 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:50:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-dap-irc 13:50:37 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:50:37 Zakim has joined #dap 13:50:39 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:50:39 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 13:50:40 Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference 13:50:40 Date: 01 September 2010 13:51:14 Regrets+ Suresh_Chitturi, Dong-Young_Lee, Marco_Marengo, Eric_Newland 13:51:26 Dzung_Tran has joined #dap 13:51:28 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0111.html 13:51:32 Present+ Dzung_Tran 13:51:40 Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:53:32 fjh_ has joined #dap 13:54:13 Regrets+ Wojciech_Masłowski 13:54:48 Regrets+ Laura _Arribas 13:56:59 danielcoloma has joined #dap 13:57:12 danielcoloma has left #dap 13:57:29 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:57:36 +??P9 13:57:41 zakim, ??P9 is me 13:57:41 +fjh; got it 13:58:02 danielcoloma has joined #dap 13:58:06 AnssiK has joined #dap 13:59:01 maoteo has joined #dap 13:59:11 danielcoloma_ has joined #dap 13:59:29 Present+ Maria_Oteo 13:59:40 Present+ Daniel_Coloma 13:59:53 nwidell has joined #dap 13:59:59 +??P12 14:00:04 Zakim, ??P12 is me 14:00:04 +dom; got it 14:00:11 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:00:26 wonsuk has joined #dap 14:00:31 zakim, who is here? 14:00:31 On the phone I see fjh, dom 14:00:33 On IRC I see wonsuk, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, arve, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot 14:00:40 +ilkka 14:00:41 Present+ Niklas_Widell 14:00:54 zakim, who is here? 14:00:58 On the phone I see fjh, dom, ilkka 14:00:59 Present+ Wonsuk_Lee 14:01:00 On IRC I see wonsuk, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, arve, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot 14:01:04 Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen 14:01:18 zakim, who is making noise? 14:01:29 fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dom (5%), ilkka (100%) 14:01:30 zakim, mute illka 14:01:32 sorry, dom, I do not know which phone connection belongs to illka 14:01:35 zakim, mute ilkka 14:01:36 ilkka should now be muted 14:01:38 Claes has joined #dap 14:01:40 + +1.650.335.aaaa 14:01:50 + +34.97.421.aabb 14:01:53 +AnssiK 14:02:05 Zakim, ??aabb is me 14:02:05 sorry, maoteo, I do not recognize a party named '??aabb' 14:02:17 zakim, who is here? 14:02:17 On the phone I see fjh, dom, ilkka (muted), +1.650.335.aaaa, +34.97.421.aabb, AnssiK 14:02:19 On IRC I see Claes, wonsuk, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, arve, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot 14:02:20 zakim, call thomas-781 14:02:22 ok, tlr; the call is being made 14:02:22 Zakim, aabb is maoteo 14:02:24 +Thomas 14:02:26 +maoteo; got it 14:02:40 +Claes 14:02:42 Present+ Thomas_Roessler 14:02:42 -ilkka 14:02:49 zakim, who is here? 14:02:49 On the phone I see fjh, dom, +1.650.335.aaaa, maoteo, AnssiK, Thomas, Claes 14:02:54 On IRC I see Claes, wonsuk, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, arve, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot 14:03:00 Regrets+ Robin_Berjon 14:03:03 Present+ Claes 14:03:10 +ilkka 14:03:23 zakim, aaaa is probably james 14:03:23 +james?; got it 14:03:27 zakim, who is here? 14:03:27 On the phone I see fjh, dom, james?, maoteo, AnssiK, Thomas, Claes, ilkka 14:03:29 s /Claes /Claes_Nilsson 14:03:29 On IRC I see Claes, wonsuk, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, arve, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot 14:03:32 -ilkka 14:03:40 richt has joined #dap 14:03:54 +richt 14:03:56 I can scribe 14:04:08 I think nearly on top of the list 14:04:18 Present+ Richard_Tibbett 14:04:36 ScribeNick: AnssiK 14:04:43 Topic: Administrative, Meetings 14:04:50 +nwidell 14:05:07 arve has left #dap 14:05:19 +ilkka 14:05:31 jsalsman has joined #dap 14:06:14 jmorris has joined #dap 14:06:28 next F2F WG questionnaire and TPAC registration and information 14:06:28 WG questionnaire (for all), http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/ 14:06:29 TPAC registration (for in-person attendees) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/ 14:06:38 March F2F (Seoul, Korea) 14:06:38 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/seoul-f2f-dates/ 14:06:40 Present+ John_Morris 14:06:42 -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/seoul-f2f-dates/results March Seoul F2F dates results 14:06:43 Present+ James_Salsman 14:06:51 fjh: 2nd week for March F2F seems to work the best 14:06:54 15—18 March 2011 14:07:06 + +1.202.637.aacc 14:07:21 zakim, aacc is jmorris 14:07:21 +jmorris; got it 14:07:59 ... when people are ready for a decision on the date? 14:08:06 zakim, mute Anssik 14:08:06 AnssiK should now be muted 14:09:02 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: F2F will be 15-18 March 2011 14:09:48 RESOLUTION: DAP F2F will be on 15-18 March 2011 14:09:53 proposed RESOLUTION: March F2F held 15-18 March 2011 in Seoul, Korea 14:10:16 TOPIC: Minutes approval 14:10:18 Approve 25 August minutes 14:10:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/att-0082/minutes-2010-08-25.html 14:11:05 proposed RESOLUTION: 25 August minutes are approved 14:11:31 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 25th August are approved 14:11:50 TOPIC: Device API Access Control Use Cases and Requirements 14:12:00 Clarify normativeness 14:12:00 proposal : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0107.html (Thomas) 14:12:00 and mark sections as informative 14:12:37 (they are requirements for specs, rather than implementations) 14:13:26 Claes: has looked at other W3C req docs 14:13:38 ... the doc should be purely informative 14:13:50 ... using uppercase keywords would be confusing 14:14:21 dom: W3C has quite many informative docs with RFC keywords 14:14:54 having the keywords adds to clarity of the document 14:15:35 Claes: the doc is stating what we should do 14:16:17 when corresponding document goes to Rec then need to show we have met requirements, indicated by MUST, SHOULDs in requirements document 14:16:22 which section of http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/ are we discussing? the whole thing? 14:16:56 Claes: must decide what we want to spec re access control 14:17:07 we are discussing the requirements and how they should be stated 14:17:57 ... UC is tricky, must be user friendly, secure 14:18:19 fjh: highlighting the difficulties in the doc is valuable 14:18:50 ... the doc will change based on the direction the WG will take 14:19:19 ... I'm open to all proposals 14:19:31 arve has joined #dap 14:19:33 Claes: agrees, the doc is in a better shape now 14:19:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0107.html refers to section 3, "Trusted Widget or Application" 14:19:51 ... and it should be published 14:19:58 approach is to publish early and often 14:20:42 wonsuk has joined #dap 14:20:42 fjh: mark sections as informative but leave keywords 14:20:48 arve has left #dap 14:21:45 Claes: would like to hear Google's view 14:22:11 fjh: would prefer to publish early and often 14:22:21 ... people will understand it's a draft 14:22:33 proposed RESOLUTION: Publish updated WD of Device API Access Control Use Cases and Requirements on 2 September 2010 14:22:33 ... anyone having concerns with publishing? 14:23:29 proposed RESOLUTION: Publish updated WD of Device API Access Control Use Cases and Requirements on 7 September 2010 14:24:01 RESOLUTION: Publish updated WD of Device API Access Control Use Cases and Requirements on 7 September 2010 14:24:35 Topic: Features 14:24:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0084.html 14:24:38 TOPIC: Device API Features and Capabilities 14:24:44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0084.html 14:24:51 wonsuk has left #dap 14:25:10 fjh: involved people are not on the call so let's more on 14:25:18 TOPIC: Privacy 14:25:25 ACTION-210? 14:25:25 ACTION-210 -- Alissa Cooper to summarize and add issues to ruleset doc -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN 14:25:25 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/210 14:25:33 ACTION-251? 14:25:33 ACTION-251 -- John Morris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture -- due 2010-08-11 -- OPEN 14:25:33 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/251 14:26:01 s/member:jsalsman speaking?// 14:26:11 no? 14:26:23 jmorris: will complete the action later 14:26:42 s/no?// 14:26:53 zakim, who is here? 14:26:53 On the phone I see fjh, dom, james?, maoteo, AnssiK (muted), Thomas, Claes, richt, nwidell, ilkka, jmorris 14:26:53 TOPIC: Contacts 14:26:55 On IRC I see jmorris, jsalsman, richt, Claes, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, ilkka, ingmar, dom, 14:26:57 ... trackbot 14:27:13 IETF/OMA/PoCo/W3C convergence 14:27:15 q+ 14:27:18 Contacts Formats Comparison: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ContactFormatsComparison (work in progress) 14:28:00 call scheduled for Friday this week 14:28:08 I18N review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0094.html 14:28:14 q+ to comment on I18N request 14:28:24 richt: Adison Philips(?) suggested i18n WG to look into Contacts API 14:28:31 action: fjh to prepare Access Control use cases and requirements for publication 14:28:31 Created ACTION-266 - Prepare Access Control use cases and requirements for publication [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-08]. 14:28:44 ack anssiK 14:28:48 q+ 14:29:00 https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApaQz5_5IF2OdFIxVmxmdlA0YzhUVU1Sc1k1WnNXTHc&hl=en 14:29:20 q+ 14:29:27 Anssi notes copy of google spreadsheet similar 14:30:11 Anssi suggests creating a link from the wiki to the google document 14:30:36 ACTION-264: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ContactFormatsComparison 14:30:36 ACTION-264 Produce a spreadsheet of sorts showing overlap/mapping/correspondance between vcard4, poco, cab, and us notes added 14:30:49 Rich: wiki allows modification by DAP group 14:30:58 zakim, mute me 14:30:58 AnssiK should now be muted 14:31:06 q? 14:31:08 ack dom 14:31:08 dom, you wanted to comment on I18N request 14:32:35 dom: would probably useful to point to the I18N guys that the properties in use in Contacts are still in flux, given the coordination needs 14:32:54 ... given that these properties are likely to be a focus of the I18N review 14:32:59 q? 14:33:30 ack nwidell 14:33:54 nwidell: how to make a decision, vote? 14:34:24 richt: we have abstract terms for addresses, names, etc. e.g. the ability to represent my first name in japanese characters with a translation to Western characters would apply to any contact format we end up with. 14:34:30 fjh: approach is to look at the facts, do a comparison and it goes from there 14:34:47 ack tlr 14:34:48 ... try to avoid voting, cleaner solution preferred 14:35:01 richt: therefore i18n feedback on the spec at this stage may flush out these details. 14:35:15 -ilkka 14:35:23 TOPIC: Capture 14:35:28 q+ 14:35:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0095.html 14:35:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0100.html 14:35:47 zakim, who is here? 14:35:47 On the phone I see fjh, dom, james?, maoteo, AnssiK (muted), Thomas, Claes, richt, nwidell, jmorris 14:35:50 On IRC I see jmorris, jsalsman, richt, Claes, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, ilkka, ingmar, dom, 14:35:52 ... trackbot 14:36:02 +ilkka 14:36:11 ack jsalsman 14:36:40 jsalsman: any objections to spec default audio capture type? 14:37:48 q? 14:38:22 msg from james -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0110.html 14:38:33 ilkka: complicated issue, would like to note there are many other audio formats in the use so not sure if we can agree on a specific codec 14:38:56 ... would mean all the implementation should include support for that codec 14:39:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0102.html 14:39:21 dom: we should highlight that as an issue in the doc 14:39:55 ... what are the audio codecs browsers support today 14:39:56 s/doc/doc, even if we don't go further with other changes 14:40:01 -Thomas 14:40:58 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:41:15 jsalsman: Speex is open source 14:41:32 fjh: do we want to require a specific codec? 14:41:33 [let's raise an issue about it, maybe?] 14:42:04 jsalsman: there has not been enough encouragement to do decisions around this issue 14:42:26 ISSUE: should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? 14:42:26 Created ISSUE-101 - Should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/101/edit . 14:42:30 fjh: thinks we should raise on issue and add a note in the doc 14:42:45 ISSUE-101: would need a royaltee-free codec, already widely deployed in browsers 14:42:45 ISSUE-101 Should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? notes added 14:42:47 s/on/an/ 14:43:06 jsalsman: why not wait a bit before the decision is made? 14:43:37 fjh: proposes jsalsman to send an email to the list 14:44:18 jsalsman: will follow up with an email on ISSUE-101 14:44:21 ISSUE-101: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0102.html 14:44:21 ISSUE-101 Should we define a default audio (video?) codec for capture? if so, which? notes added 14:44:42 fjh: add a note to the draft, ok? 14:44:55 ilkka: can do that before publishing 14:45:25 jsalsman: anyone having concerns in specing max duration? 14:45:31 ... for audio 14:45:36 action: ilkka to add note to capture draft regarding ISSUE-101 14:45:36 Created ACTION-267 - Add note to capture draft regarding ISSUE-101 [on Ilkka Oksanen - due 2010-09-08]. 14:45:37 ... we have that for video already 14:46:06 I agree with dom that we should have maximum duration specified too 14:46:11 TOPIC: Calendar 14:46:20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0097.html 14:47:11 ilkka: media capture API - need working draft 14:47:13 s/TOPIC: Calendar// 14:47:39 +1 to send a CfC for media capture API 14:48:35 ilkka: no pending actions, ready for CfC 14:48:51 action: fjh to send CfC for media capture API, for next week 14:48:51 Created ACTION-268 - Send CfC for media capture API, for next week [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-08]. 14:49:01 dom: one week for CfC 14:49:37 TOPIC: Calendar 14:49:40 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0097.html 14:49:57 TOPIC: SysInfo 14:50:01 Outstanding editorial and review items - planned completion mid august (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/att-0017/minutes-2010-08-04.html#item05 ) 14:50:11 ACTION-213? 14:50:11 ACTION-213 -- Richard Tibbett to review sysinfo draft after edits made -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN 14:50:11 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/213 14:50:22 ACTION-243? 14:50:22 ACTION-243 -- Dong-Young Lee to review sysinfo draft after edits made -- due 2010-08-09 -- OPEN 14:50:22 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/243 14:50:32 ACTION-214? 14:50:32 ACTION-214 -- Thomas Roessler to request IETF community review of sysinfo API Last Call WD through W3C/IETF liaison channel -- due 2010-09-21 -- OPEN 14:50:32 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/214 14:50:46 jsalsman: only remaining things were typos and such 14:50:51 q+ 14:51:01 zakim, who is here? 14:51:02 On the phone I see fjh, dom, james?, maoteo, AnssiK (muted), Claes, richt, nwidell, jmorris, ilkka 14:51:04 On IRC I see jmorris, jsalsman, richt, Claes, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, shepazu, wmaslowski, tlr, ilkka, ingmar, dom, 14:51:07 ... trackbot 14:51:16 ack AnssiK 14:51:54 q+ 14:51:55 http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source-orientation.html 14:52:05 anssiK: what happened move of material to geoloc from sysinfo? 14:52:33 ack Claes 14:53:12 That was forwarded to geolocation group quite a bit back 14:53:15 dom has left #dap 14:53:21 dom has joined #dap 14:55:48 q+ 14:55:50 anssi: do we know when to expect FPWD of this? 14:55:50 q- 14:56:44 zakim, mute me 14:56:44 AnssiK should now be muted 14:56:57 TOPIC: Other API status 14:57:04 fjh: any issues? 14:57:06 ACTION-216? 14:57:06 ACTION-216 -- WonSuk Lee to reformulate gallery API to look like contacts API -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN 14:57:06 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/216 14:57:14 zakim, who is here? 14:57:14 On the phone I see fjh, dom, james?, maoteo, AnssiK (muted), Claes, richt, nwidell, jmorris, ilkka 14:57:16 On IRC I see dom, jmorris, jsalsman, richt, Claes, nwidell, danielcoloma_, maoteo, AnssiK, fjh_clone, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, wmaslowski, tlr, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot 14:57:42 fjh: anything more to add? 14:57:53 Device Orientation spec draft is being discussed at the WG list. Two DOM events defined: Orientation data as angles in an x, y, z coordination system and raw accelerometer and gyra data event. 14:58:18 -dom 14:58:22 -richt 14:58:24 -Claes 14:58:25 -nwidell 14:58:25 -james? 14:58:26 -ilkka 14:58:26 -fjh 14:58:27 -jmorris 14:58:28 richt has left #dap 14:58:31 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:58:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:58:33 TOPIC: Adjourn 14:58:34 -maoteo 14:59:04 -AnssiK 14:59:04 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:59:05 Attendees were fjh, dom, ilkka, +1.650.335.aaaa, +34.97.421.aabb, AnssiK, Thomas, maoteo, Claes, james?, richt, nwidell, +1.202.637.aacc, jmorris 14:59:12 shepazu has joined #dap 15:00:37 s/ I can scribe// 15:00:48 s/I think nearly on top of the list// 15:01:18 s/proposed RESOLUTION: March F2F held 15-18 March 2011 in Seoul, Korea// 15:01:50 s/more on/move on 15:03:02 Zakim, jsalsman is aaaa 15:03:02 sorry, jsalsman, I do not recognize a party named 'jsalsman' 15:03:06 member:rrsagent, generate minutes 15:03:12 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:03:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:37:56 shepazu has joined #dap 15:39:24 richt has joined #dap 15:59:02 wonsuk has joined #dap 15:59:12 wonsuk has left #dap 16:51:32 fjh_ has joined #dap 16:51:38 fjh has left #dap 17:09:14 fjh_ has left #dap 17:10:26 Zakim has left #dap 18:54:13 tlr has joined #dap