IRC log of core on 2010-09-01

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logging to
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zakim, this will be I18N
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ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
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RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has now started
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zakim, dial richard please
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+ +972.2.158.aaaa
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you can't hear me ?
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16:33:38 [Zakim]
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zakim, dial richard please
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+ +972.7.474.6aabb
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16:34:01 [Aharon]
zakim, mute me
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sorry, Aharon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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zakim, mute me
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Aharon should now be muted
16:34:52 [aphillip]
Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
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richard: status on character encoding stuff
16:35:32 [aphillip]
Topic: Action Items
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addison: ask device api WG when it would be appropriate to revew contacts API document
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Topic: Info Share
16:36:21 [Aharon]
zakim, unmute me
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Aharon should no longer be muted
16:36:32 [aphillip]
aharon: response on the keyboard language proposal
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... some objections
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... could pursue in their last call
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... or could create a separate document
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... I would prefer to pursue in LC
16:38:50 [aphillip]
addison: DOM3 LC is coming up and we will include in our LC comments
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richard: ask them to include in last call as proposal-at-risk
16:40:39 [Aharon]
zakim, mute me
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Aharon should now be muted
16:40:56 [aphillip]
ACTION: addison: write to dom3 folks and ask them to consider including keyboard "language" as proposal-at-risk in their LC document
16:41:36 [aphillip]
richard: we now have a public-i18n-cjk@ list
16:41:42 [aphillip]
... and a public-i18n-indic@ list
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... CJK list is for discussing all things CJK
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... created to relieve www-international@ list from this traffic
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... so everyone will see the comments
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... not just for JLRec
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richard: in a related vein, may set up HTML5 Korean list
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... our goal is separate
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... including list traffic in english
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richard: indic list set up because W3C india office would like a TF
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... to develop a document similar to JLReq document
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... focusing on Indic language support
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addison: iri WG will start weekly in about 2 weeks
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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Topic: status on character encoding stuff
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richard: more changes in offing
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... working on what used to be serving xhtml1.0
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... now called....
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... serving HTML and XHTML
16:47:50 [r12a]
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
16:48:10 [aphillip]
richard: attempting to genericize
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... take out old-fashioned and complicated stuff
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... hard to say anything about XHTML5
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... stays with HTML5 mainly
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richard: other document (Encoding Definitions)
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16:49:10 [aphillip]
richard: had some stuff about mime types and quirks, no removed
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s/no removed/now removed/
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... still going through comments
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... some more minor changes as a result
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... not quite ready to launch documents
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... hope to target next week
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Topic: Contacts API follow up
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addison: will call into telecon Friday
16:51:03 [Zakim]
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addison: anyone interested in leading contacts api review?
16:52:06 [fsasaki]
Felix: I'd be happy to contribute
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.. but lead? well ...
16:53:07 [Zakim]
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addison to lead coordination of comments, andrew, felix interested in contributing but cannot lead it
16:53:34 [r12a]
agenda+ scripts by language
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Topic: scripts by language
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16:54:03 [Zakim]
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richard: be aware of this table
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.. help mobile folks understand what they might need to support
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Topic: WWTZ
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addison: updated guidelines sections
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... think we might be ready for wider review
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... would like your feedback first?
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ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week
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Topic: Bidi topics (per paragraph auto-direction, etc)
17:00:01 [Aharon]
zakim, unmute me
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Aharon should no longer be muted
17:00:30 [aphillip]
aharon: what do people think about per-paragraph dir=uba
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... concern on the list
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... I had objected to f2f design because too difficult
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... alternative that is much more limited would be better
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... limited to <textarea> and a new <pre>-like element
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aharon: could limit dir=uba to elements that have no child elements
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addison: hard to validate
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... some child elements don't affect directionality but are useful
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aharon: could propose new element
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... no one seconded my idea
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aharon: is anyone interested in more limited definition?
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addison: can we implement uba (or something similar) as a general attribute value
17:08:07 [aphillip]
addison: define clear rules for what to do if we see child elements
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Aharon to send a new proposal to public-i18n-bidi@
17:10:47 [aphillip]
aharon: intend to send a proposal for dir=auto and different estimation methods
17:11:06 [aphillip]
... this is separate from uba and temporarily assumes doesn't exist
17:11:11 [aphillip]
... one additional value to dir
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... which is auto
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... and additional attribute dir-method
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... "first-strong", "any-rtl" are the values
17:11:48 [aphillip]
... and could define more in the future
17:12:00 [aphillip]
... word count was rejected by f2f
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... nor character count
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... because coefficients to use require extensive research
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... and no proof that it is more useful
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... don't feel can advance without the reasearch
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addison: which is default?
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aharon: first-strong
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aharon: uba could be worked in as dir-method
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... has some CSS implications
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... hope to get guidance from e.g. fantasai
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... any thoughts?
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addison: look forward to proposal :-)
17:14:40 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate aphillip
17:15:10 [Aharon]
zakim, mute me
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Aharon should now be muted
17:15:14 [aphillip]
Topic: AOB?
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Present: Addison, Richard, David, Felix, Andrew, Aharon, Mati,
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Regrets: Norbert
17:17:05 [r12a]
addison, do you have a sec to discuss madrid workshop?
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were aphillip, Richard, Felix, +972.2.158.aaaa, matial, andrewc, +972.7.474.6aabb, Aharon, David
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17:17:23 [aphillip]
hi richard... sure
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: addison: write to dom3 folks and ask them to consider including keyboard "language" as proposal-at-risk in their LC document [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week [2]
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recorded in
17:17:39 [r12a]
shall i call you?