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16:10:09 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
16:10:09 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
16:10:20 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:10:28 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
16:10:36 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:10:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:11:01 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:11:06 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:11:09 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:11:35 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Sep/0001.html
16:11:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-minutes.html aphillip
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16:31:06 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:31:06 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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16:33:28 <aphillip> no
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16:33:40 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:33:40 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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16:33:44 <Zakim> +Richard
16:34:01 <Aharon> zakim, mute me
16:34:01 <Zakim> sorry, Aharon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:34:10 <Aharon> zakim, mute me
16:34:15 <Zakim> Aharon should now be muted
16:34:52 <aphillip> Topic:  Minutes and Agenda review
16:35:05 <Zakim> +David
16:35:11 <aphillip> richard: status on character encoding stuff
16:35:32 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:35:56 <aphillip> addison: ask device api WG when it would be appropriate to revew contacts API document 
16:36:02 <aphillip> DONE
16:36:16 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:36:21 <Aharon> zakim, unmute me
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16:36:32 <aphillip> aharon: response on the keyboard language proposal
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16:36:48 <aphillip> ... some objections
16:36:55 <aphillip> ... could pursue in their last call
16:37:01 <aphillip> ... or could create a separate document
16:37:16 <aphillip> ... I would prefer to pursue in LC
16:38:50 <aphillip> addison: DOM3 LC is coming up and we will include in our LC comments
16:40:04 <aphillip> richard: ask them to include in last call as proposal-at-risk
16:40:39 <Aharon> zakim, mute me
16:40:39 <Zakim> Aharon should now be muted
16:40:56 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to dom3 folks and ask them to consider including keyboard "language" as proposal-at-risk in their LC document
16:41:36 <aphillip> richard: we now have a public-i18n-cjk@ list
16:41:42 <aphillip> ... and a public-i18n-indic@ list
16:41:57 <aphillip> ... CJK list is for discussing all things CJK
16:42:17 <aphillip> ... created to relieve www-international@ list from this traffic
16:42:30 <aphillip> ... so everyone will see the comments
16:42:36 <aphillip> ... not just for JLRec
16:42:57 <aphillip> richard: in a related vein, may set up HTML5 Korean list
16:43:08 <aphillip> ... our goal is separate
16:43:15 <aphillip> ... including list traffic in english
16:43:46 <aphillip> richard: indic list set up because W3C india office would like a TF
16:43:59 <aphillip> ... to develop a document similar to JLReq document
16:44:08 <aphillip> ... focusing on Indic language support
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16:45:57 <aphillip> addison: iri WG will start weekly in about 2 weeks
16:46:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:46:58 <aphillip> Topic: status on character encoding stuff
16:47:10 <aphillip> richard: more changes in offing
16:47:22 <aphillip> ... working on what used to be serving xhtml1.0
16:47:25 <aphillip> ... now called....
16:47:42 <aphillip> ... serving HTML and XHTML
16:47:50 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/serving-xhtml/
16:47:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:48:10 <aphillip> richard: attempting to genericize
16:48:20 <aphillip> ... take out old-fashioned and complicated stuff
16:48:26 <aphillip> ... hard to say anything about XHTML5
16:48:37 <aphillip> ... stays with HTML5 mainly
16:48:50 <aphillip> richard: other document (Encoding Definitions)
16:48:57 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-characters
16:49:10 <aphillip> richard: had some stuff about mime types and quirks, no removed
16:49:17 <aphillip> s/no removed/now removed/
16:49:24 <aphillip> ... still going through comments
16:49:33 <aphillip> ... some more minor changes as a result
16:49:39 <aphillip> ... not quite ready to launch documents
16:49:43 <aphillip> ... hope to target next week
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16:50:14 <aphillip> Topic: Contacts API follow up
16:50:33 <aphillip> addison: will call into telecon Friday
16:51:03 <Zakim> -David
16:51:12 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JulSep/0113.html
16:51:40 <aphillip> addison: anyone interested in leading contacts api review?
16:52:06 <fsasaki> Felix: I'd be happy to contribute
16:52:14 <fsasaki> .. but lead? well ...
16:53:07 <Zakim> +David
16:53:30 <aphillip> addison to lead coordination of comments, andrew, felix interested in contributing but cannot lead it
16:53:34 <r12a> agenda+ scripts by language
16:53:53 <aphillip> Topic: scripts by language
16:54:03 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/featurelist/
16:54:03 <Zakim> -Felix
16:54:13 <aphillip> richard: be aware of this table
16:54:44 <aphillip> .. help mobile folks understand what they might need to support
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16:56:22 <aphillip> Topic: WWTZ
16:56:29 <Zakim> +??P2
16:56:30 <aphillip>    http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/WorkingWithTimeZones
16:58:10 <aphillip> addison: updated guidelines sections
16:58:16 <aphillip> ... think we might be ready for wider review
16:58:21 <aphillip> ... would like your feedback first?
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16:59:50 <aphillip> ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week
17:00:01 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi topics (per paragraph auto-direction, etc)
17:00:01 <Aharon> zakim, unmute me
17:00:01 <Zakim> Aharon should no longer be muted
17:00:30 <aphillip> aharon: what do people think about per-paragraph dir=uba
17:00:49 <aphillip> ... concern on the list 
17:01:06 <aphillip> ... I had objected to f2f design because too difficult
17:01:28 <aphillip> ... alternative that is much more limited would be better
17:01:40 <aphillip> ... limited to <textarea> and a new <pre>-like element
17:02:07 <aphillip> aharon: could limit dir=uba to elements that have no child elements
17:03:24 <aphillip> addison: hard to validate
17:03:40 <aphillip> ... some child elements don't affect directionality but are useful
17:03:51 <aphillip> aharon: could propose new element
17:04:00 <aphillip> ... no one seconded my idea
17:04:11 <aphillip> aharon: is anyone interested in more limited definition?
17:06:13 <aphillip> addison: can we implement uba (or something similar) as a general attribute value
17:08:07 <aphillip> addison: define clear rules for what to do if we see child elements
17:10:14 <aphillip> Aharon to send a new proposal to public-i18n-bidi@
17:10:47 <aphillip> aharon: intend to send a proposal for dir=auto and different estimation methods
17:11:06 <aphillip> ... this is separate from uba and temporarily assumes doesn't exist
17:11:11 <aphillip> ... one additional value to dir
17:11:14 <aphillip> ... which is auto
17:11:24 <aphillip> ... and additional attribute dir-method
17:11:37 <aphillip> ... "first-strong", "any-rtl" are the values
17:11:48 <aphillip> ... and could define more in the future
17:12:00 <aphillip> ... word count was rejected by f2f
17:12:05 <aphillip> ... nor character count
17:12:23 <aphillip> ... because coefficients to use require extensive research
17:12:39 <aphillip> ... and no proof that it is more useful
17:12:58 <aphillip> ... don't feel can advance without the reasearch
17:13:21 <aphillip> addison: which is default?
17:13:27 <aphillip> aharon: first-strong
17:13:43 <aphillip> aharon: uba could be worked in as dir-method
17:13:53 <aphillip> ... has some CSS implications
17:14:00 <aphillip> ... hope to get guidance from e.g. fantasai
17:14:07 <aphillip> ... any thoughts?
17:14:26 <aphillip> addison: look forward to proposal :-)
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17:15:10 <Aharon> zakim, mute me
17:15:10 <Zakim> Aharon should now be muted
17:15:14 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
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17:15:43 <Zakim> -Felix
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17:16:43 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, David, Felix, Andrew, Aharon, Mati, 
17:16:47 <aphillip> Regrets: Norbert
17:17:05 <r12a> addison, do you have a sec to discuss madrid workshop?
17:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:17:15 <aphillip> zakim, bye
17:17:15 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were aphillip, Richard, Felix, +972.2.158.aaaa, matial, andrewc, +972.7.474.6aabb, Aharon, David
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17:17:23 <aphillip> hi richard... sure
17:17:35 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-actions.rdf :
17:17:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to dom3 folks and ask them to consider including keyboard "language" as proposal-at-risk in their LC document [1]
17:17:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-irc#T16-40-56
17:17:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week [2]
17:17:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-core-irc#T16-59-50
17:17:39 <r12a> shall i call you?