17:29:14 RRSAgent has joined #gallery 17:29:14 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/08/27-gallery-irc 17:29:29 Judy has joined #gallery 17:30:54 +Jeanne 17:31:32 + +1.202.358.aaaa 17:32:42 +Judy 17:32:52 zakim, aaaa is really Deborah 17:32:52 +Deborah; got it 17:33:30 zakim, who's here? 17:33:30 On the phone I see John, Jeanne, Deborah, Judy 17:33:31 On IRC I see Judy, RRSAgent, jeanne, Zakim 17:37:00 + +1.202.418.aabb 17:37:16 zakim, aabb is really Jamal 17:37:16 +Jamal; got it 17:39:01 John Crawford (sp??) the webmaster for army.mil 17:39:30 Debra Kaplan - senior advisor on Accessibility in CIO office for Social Security 17:39:41 s/Crawford (sp??)/Croston/ 17:40:25 Jamal Res(sp?) for FCC on accessibility. 17:41:12 s/Res(sp?)/Mazrui/ 17:41:31 Topic: Gathering Existing templates and widgets 17:41:43 agenda+ agenda overview 17:41:43 agenda+ gathering existing templates & widgets, next steps 17:41:43 agenda+ identifying priority gaps & suggestions of how to address 17:41:43 agenda+ preparing appeal for broader outreach to different communities 17:41:43 agenda+ next meetings 17:43:52 -Judy 17:43:59 zakim, close item 1 17:43:59 agendum 1, agenda overview, closed 17:44:00 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:44:01 2. gathering existing templates & widgets, next steps [from Judy] 17:44:13 zakim, take up item 2 17:44:13 agendum 2. "gathering existing templates & widgets, next steps" taken up [from Judy] 17:44:18 +Judy 17:45:28 There are probably several collections of material that is highly usable, many from public agencies, that if they are broken out of their agency and made available publically, would be very useful. 17:46:42 Social Security has put together a set of Best Practices for document accessibility. It is a brief description of the issue. It illustrates how the problem is solved, and gives sample code to show exactly how it is done. Targeted at developers. 17:47:44 The accessibility committee of the Accessibility Council of CIOs is collecting information across agencies that people can use and share. 17:49:53 q+ to raise the question of how to "vet" material 17:52:45 Both federal government sources and outside sources should identify the leading authoring tools. Do we have any statistics on the different CMS tools, so that we can create templates specifically for the tools. 17:53:21 questions on gathering: what templates, widget, other tools; which authoring tools does it align with; how share; 17:55:14 If we can find examples, and see that an agency gave out their code, that will encourage them to give out their code. 17:55:36 It goes back to the examples and pointing people to stop. 17:56:15 WASP examples for teachers to give to students, the UMinn has hundreds of links of examples. 17:56:51 s/stop. /the correct locations. 18:00:18 Web Accessibility Standards Project is done within the last year, it is oriented for beginners 18:00:37 UMinn at Duluth has 600-700 links to examples 18:00:48 Opera has done some work recently. 18:03:20 When sharing links in email, please provide the link name, the link, one sentence describing the resource, one sentence mentioning questions for this task force to think about 18:03:48 While it is fine to have part of the project be educational in nature, I think that tends to be preaching to the choir, the person is already interested in accessibility. A much broader thing is building accessibility is putting accessibility into the tools. 18:03:49 zakim, who's here? 18:03:49 On the phone I see John, Jeanne, Deborah, Jamal, Judy 18:03:50 On IRC I see Judy, RRSAgent, jeanne, Zakim 18:06:07 Once we have an idea of what is available, then we can go public with the tool developers and apply pressure with a crowdsourcing effort which shows what can be built. 18:07:48 The CIO Council will pick segments and go to companies that make products that the government wants to perform better, and let them know that the government would like to see more accessibility built into those tools. 18:08:53 ...the first candidates will probably be document authoring tools. This gets away from 508 which allows picking the "most accessible tool" and toward getting tools that do what we really need them to. 18:11:06 [Judy explains W3C process for ATAG] to show we are at the proof of what can be done stage. 18:11:47 I would like to have 508 officials start asking vendors how well they comply with ATAG 2.0? 18:12:59 When TEITAC was finished in April 2008, ATAG was not as complete as it is today, and the Access Board did not want to take it up. 18:14:04 Some of the ATAG ideas have made it into the ANPRM. We aren't going for harmonization, but we are going for @@. 18:14:51 Tim Creedon said at the DC Barcamp, to suggest that people submit comments to the Access Board to add references to ATAG 2.0 18:15:15 + +1.202.418.aacc 18:15:35 A short list of required fields should be requested. 18:15:46 zakim, aacc is really Greg 18:15:46 +Greg; got it 18:16:06 gregelin has joined #gallery 18:16:28 rrsagent, make minutes 18:16:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/27-gallery-minutes.html jeanne 18:16:45 rrsagent, make logs public 18:16:55 rrsagent, make minutes 18:16:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/27-gallery-minutes.html jeanne 18:17:25 s/Creedon/Creagan/ 18:17:52 Are there other agencies we should be reaching out to? The IRS and SSA are the two that good for accessibility. 18:18:37 Send an email to @@NACIO to ask them about states with good accessibility information. 18:19:22 s/@@NACIO/NASCIO 18:20:49 We really want to know how close the resources are to being plugged in? Not educational but close to ready to use. 18:21:51 Collecting from vendors will be taken up when we have more people on the call. Rob Sinclair from Microsoft wanted to participate in this. 18:22:43 zakim, close this item 18:22:43 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jeanne 18:22:53 ack ju 18:22:53 Judy, you wanted to raise the question of how to "vet" material 18:23:01 zakim, close this item 18:23:01 agendum 2 closed 18:23:02 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:23:04 3. identifying priority gaps & suggestions of how to address [from Judy] 18:23:07 zakim, take up item 3 18:23:07 agendum 3. "identifying priority gaps & suggestions of how to address" taken up [from Judy] 18:24:03 IS there a list of the top 10 useful things that people would want to go to a gallery for and get people building. Forms, templates, widgets? 18:25:42 CAPTCHA template, registration form, commenting form, more information about jQuery or other AJAX about the "More" button. 18:25:49 1) captcha template; 2) registration form; 3) comment form; 4) the "more" button (expanded info button) 18:26:22 a lightbox (something popped in the center of the screen to show more detail) 18:26:44 expandable, nested navigation 18:27:04 maps - how to make an accessible map template 18:27:07 5) lightbox popped up in center of screen to show more detail 18:27:23 6) accessible nested nav 18:27:25 disability.gov did an accessible media player 18:27:29 7) accessible map template 18:27:41 8) accessible video player 18:27:53 accessible media player 18:28:33 open street maps - Kate Chapman 18:29:07 calendar/date picker 18:29:12 9) calendar date-picker 18:30:13 directions in public transportation where you put in start and stop locations for getting directions. This could be a subset of the map template 18:30:46 a tag picker 18:31:10 10) accessible directions capability of maps 18:31:24 11) accessible filter for tag clouds 18:31:25 the best way to get the main content of the page. 18:32:08 skipnav, headings, landmark roles (ARIA) 18:32:08 12) best practice skip nav implementations 18:33:18 These are all building blocks - they are not at the shell of the page, they are parts of the page. This is good, but will people want the shell template of the page? 18:34:02 It would be convenient if there was a template for the page with all the headers and footers. 18:34:40 What about a template shell and the widgets in a menu that could be selected from a pulldown. 18:36:00 13) labels on forms 18:36:02 It wouldn't get in my way to have the accessible template shell, but I don't need the basics, I need the advanced functionality that provide what people need 18:36:06 14) checkbox option lists 18:36:38 But simple things are important, and many people are struggling with the basics. Basic forms are very necessary. 18:37:24 15) accessible wiki-markup type component 18:37:28 accessible wiki markup widget, a combination of text and wiki markup language. 18:38:58 zakim, close this item 18:38:58 agendum 3 closed 18:38:59 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:39:01 4. preparing appeal for broader outreach to different communities [from Judy] 18:39:03 zakim, take up next 18:39:03 agendum 4. "preparing appeal for broader outreach to different communities" taken up [from Judy] 18:40:23 I would like to send out a broad message the first full week in September. There are other groups who may help us with crowd-sourcing. What ideas do we have for a message to help with gathering and building. 18:40:46 Once we have somewhere to send the information. Somewhere to put it. 18:41:18 ... and make sure you have approval to share the code. 18:42:44 ... we can start twitter and an email list. To ask WASP and W3C. One of the other possibilities is from Peter Korn in the AEGIS project which is funded by the European Commission. The Australian and Canadian goverments are partnering with W3C right now. 18:43:47 Related to promoting it, have we figured out who will host it? I brought it up with @@ about hosting it. 18:44:09 It will be a focused discussion on our next call. There are multiple offers to host it. 18:45:02 ... we need to solve the "where" question before sending out the appeal. 18:45:39 What is the domain name? accessibility.gov. Also learnaccessibility.com could be donated to the project. 18:48:54 Communities for outreach: students are time sensitive because the semester is starting right now. Advanced cources might want to help with development. 18:49:44 jc: univ of wash, through wendy 18:49:52 don't look for random students, look for focused people - Glenda Simms, HTML Writers Guild. Go to the bigger sources. 18:50:00 jc: utx, through wendy 18:50:16 jb: uwisc, through gregg 18:50:21 s/wendy/glenda/ 18:50:43 jc: ugeorgia, leslie 18:50:47 Ann Walters in U-Georgia, Leslie Jensen-Inman U-Tenn 18:51:18 debra can send out through the California State University system. 18:52:00 Communities through the barcamp/unconference network 18:52:40 Jenisen Ascension. Should he join this discussion? 18:53:17 CSUN conference proposals - having a presentation at CSUN - in March, we can ask people to contribute. 18:55:13 Unconferences: Montreal today, London in September. We send out that list to the unconferences and ask for input. 18:55:39 ...Toronto midsummer, Boston again 18:56:06 Jamal will work on a submission for CSUN - partnering with Judy 18:56:33 Judy has offered to draft a description of what we are asking for from the community. 18:56:51 ... that will be ready for the call next Wednesday. 18:57:14 Also ask for suggestions of how to run a bar camp in their local area. 18:58:33 It is important, but tangential, so we may want to point to it in a message from us. I think we want to have extended planning info on a wiki planning site. 18:58:55 rrsagent, make minutes 18:58:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/27-gallery-minutes.html jeanne 18:59:07 zakim, close this topic 18:59:07 I don't understand 'close this topic', jeanne 18:59:14 zakim, close this item 18:59:14 agendum 4 closed 18:59:15 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 18:59:16 5. next meetings [from Judy] 18:59:23 zakim, take up next 18:59:23 agendum 5. "next meetings" taken up [from Judy] 19:02:07 -Jamal 19:02:08 -Greg 19:02:08 -Deborah 19:02:11 -John 19:02:35 those responding said that Wednesday was better than Friday. 19:02:40 zakim, close this item 19:02:40 agendum 5 closed 19:02:41 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 19:02:49 zakim, bye 19:02:49 leaving. As of this point the attendees were John, Jeanne, +1.202.358.aaaa, Judy, Deborah, +1.202.418.aabb, Jamal, +1.202.418.aacc, Greg 19:02:49 Zakim has left #gallery 19:03:00 ...though judy noted a conflict w/ Wednesday 19:03:34 present- +1.202.358.aaaa, +1.202.418.aabb, +1.202.418.aacc, 19:03:34 ...and said would do more schedule-checking online as people return from vacation 19:04:02 Meeting: Tech Challenge/Gallery 19:04:07 chair: Judy 19:04:28 rrsagent, make minutes 19:04:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/27-gallery-minutes.html jeanne 19:05:28 rrsagent, bye 19:05:28 I see no action items