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20:00:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:00:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start now
20:00:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
20:00:25 <trackbot> Date: 26 August 2010
20:00:28 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
20:00:35 <Zakim> +??P0
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20:01:07 <Ben> zakim, ??P1 is Ben_Caldwell
20:01:07 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:01:27 <Ben> zakim, ??P0 is Daman
20:01:27 <Zakim> +Daman; got it
20:01:42 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:02:08 <Ben> zakim, Ben has Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:02:08 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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20:03:41 <Ben> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2010JulSep/0033.html
20:03:47 <Ben> agenda+ announcements?
20:03:50 <Zakim> + +1.617.584.aaaa
20:03:58 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous issues for 26 Aug 2010
20:04:00 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
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20:04:37 <Ben> chair: Loretta Guarino Reid
20:04:56 <Zakim> +Loretta
20:05:10 <Ben> zakim, Daman is Daman_Wandke
20:05:10 <Zakim> +Daman_Wandke; got it
20:05:34 <Ben> zakim, who is here?
20:05:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daman_Wandke, Ben_Caldwell, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Marc_Johlic, Tim_Boland, Loretta
20:05:36 <Zakim> Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:05:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Loretta, marcjohlic, Daman, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ben, MichaelC, trackbot
20:07:04 <Ben> scribe: marcjohlic
20:07:18 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:07:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "announcements?" taken up [from Ben]
20:07:37 <MichaelC> regrets+ David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen
20:07:45 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2010JulSep/0033.html
20:08:16 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  ATAG 2.0 Review
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20:08:40 <Ben> zakim, next item
20:08:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Miscellaneous issues for 26 Aug 2010" taken up [from Ben]
20:08:54 <Ben> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20100826misc/results
20:09:08 <Ben> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=ATAG_2.0_Review
20:11:52 <Zakim> -Daman_Wandke
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20:15:42 <Daman> Zakim 360.927 is Daman_Wandke
20:18:13 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended.
20:18:29 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Issue 2831: Broken link in 2.4.4 and 2.4.9
20:19:16 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed.
20:19:30 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Issue 2839: Editorial Errors in WCAG Techniques
20:19:40 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed.
20:19:52 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Issue 2849: F81: blue text
20:26:27 <Loretta> In both examples, the color could be used without failure if the text was sufficiently different in presentation (e.g. bold, in a different font) that  it would be easily seen if the color were removed.
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20:26:57 <Loretta> In both examples, the color could be used without failure if the text was sufficiently different in presentation (e.g. bold, in a different font) that  it would be easily seen if the color were removed.
20:28:31 <Loretta> In both examples, the color could be used without failure if the text was sufficiently different in visual presentation (e.g. bold or in a different font) that  it would be seen if the color were removed.  
20:30:10 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended.
20:40:23 <Loretta> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20Open%20Issues&sharer_id=1
20:40:53 <Loretta> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=2844
20:41:53 <Loretta> My question is to clarify the part about opening up new windows when a user clicks on a link/ image.  What is the proper way of notifying the user that a new window will open up?  Is it limited to just the text after the link?  Or can you use the alt or title attribute of the link to convey that information to the user?  What is acceptable for A or AA or AAA?  I'm of the mindset that the user should have some control over whatever the web developer created.
20:42:09 <Loretta> h I realize you do not have any direct control over but W3 could be the organization that to talk to those involved with the process.    Proposed Change: Why not have (force) all browsers have the ability to open the link in the same window just like the users have the option of opening the link in a new window or tab?  That way any device can set its default settings to not allow a new window/tab from opening? This could allow for greater accessibility for
20:44:07 <Daman> Loretta, I could take a look at 2805.
20:44:55 <Loretta> Thanks, Daman! That would be very helpful. I'll assign it to you.
20:46:04 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Issue 2844 New Window Openings
20:46:23 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended.
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20:51:09 <MichaelC> zakim, drop tim
20:51:09 <Zakim> Tim_Boland is being disconnected
20:51:11 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
20:51:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, +1.617.584.aaaa, Marc_Johlic, Tim_Boland, Loretta, Daman_Wandke, +1.360.927.aabb, sofia_celic
20:51:50 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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20:51:55 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
20:51:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items