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19:54:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
19:54:31 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
19:54:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:   SSN XG
19:54:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair:     Laurent
19:55:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Aug/0020.html
19:55:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous:http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-minutes.html
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20:08:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> Scribenick: Michael
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20:10:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Progress on the ontology 
20:12:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> Michael: work on the DOLCE alignment plus adding the definitions
20:12:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... Michael has done a pass on the definitions imported from elsewhere
20:13:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... Make them more consistent across the board
20:13:26 <michael> just give me a tick, back in a sec
20:15:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: comments on changes on the way we use dc:source. 
20:15:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... we now put the text and the url together.
20:16:29 <michael> sorry, back now
20:19:03 <michael> Topic: Andiy example
20:20:31 <michael> accelerometer, 4 measurement ranges 4 frequencies.  Plus an example of accelerometer attached to a knife 
20:20:48 <michael> the knife is the platform and feature of interest.
20:23:09 <Payam> can you add the link here please
20:24:20 <michael> I think http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Special:ListFiles
20:24:37 <Payam> found it; http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Special:ListFiles
20:27:13 <Payam> +q
20:28:51 <michael> example : http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/4/4e/SSN-kitchen-example-extract-sensor.jpg
20:29:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> Andriy: we may need examples with other capabilities (precision and accuracy)
20:30:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
20:31:21 <michael> Payam: XG's doco should point out what's possible beyond the examples.
20:31:55 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:32:33 <krzysztof_j> depends on which version you use
20:32:41 <michael> +q
20:33:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krzysztof_j
20:34:18 <michael> Krzysztof: feature of interest should be connected to other things.
20:34:25 <Payam> possibly I have used an old version
20:34:45 <michael> ... what are the meanings on the diagram
20:35:36 <michael> Laurent diagram drawn with CMAP
20:36:42 <michael> Laurent: 'is a' types an idividual
20:37:07 <michael> Laurent: 'are' is subclass
20:37:42 <michael> +q
20:38:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
20:39:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: explaining the graphical conventions used by CMAP 
20:41:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... the arrow "are" corresponds to rdfs:subClassOf
20:42:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... the arrow "is a" corresponds to rdf:type (instance to class relation)
20:43:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> Let's look at other examples: 
20:43:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology#Ontology
20:44:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Sensor#Measuring
20:45:52 <michael> +q
20:46:40 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:46:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack michael
20:48:00 <krzysztof_j> ack to michael
20:48:03 <Payam> +q
20:48:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krzysztof_j
20:48:19 <michael> Michael: We all had problems interpreting these diagrams, is that a problem for the documentation?
20:48:28 <michael> Laurent: lots of people use this.
20:49:17 <michael> Krzysztof:  the diagram puts 'is a' with a different meaning to how OWL uses this relation.
20:49:24 <michael> ... can we change this
20:49:43 <krzysztof_j> is a = instance-of and are = is a, right?
20:49:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> Yes
20:50:00 <michael> Laurent: no we can't change
20:50:52 <michael> Laurent: yes it might be confusing but tool had advantages: easy to move things around in diagrams, remove things, 
20:50:57 <Payam> +q
20:51:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Payam
20:51:16 <michael> ... so can make diagrams that map to intuition of ontology.
20:51:34 <michael> Payam: agree the blue lines are confusing.
20:52:10 <michael> ... what was sent earlier today (Raul) is an option
20:53:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Aug/0022.html
20:53:48 <Payam> oe perhaps Raul's version and the current diagrams can be complementary 
20:53:53 <krzysztof_j> why not jambalaya?
20:54:18 <krzysztof_j> ok
20:54:35 <Pramod> +q
20:54:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Pramod
20:55:35 <michael> Pramod: does the example use units?
20:56:23 <michael> Andriy: yes the ontology example has units restricted e.g. the numbers are restricted to gravity
20:58:00 <michael> Laurent: summary: we have example with measurement capability and observation that links to feature of interest
20:59:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> Example by Payam: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:SSNSample.jpg
20:59:16 <michael> ... also second example from Payam
21:00:47 <michael> Payam : it has measurement capability, data parts, features.  added some classes (observation service...)
21:00:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology#Ontology
21:01:08 <krzysztof_j> (may also be an alternativ for the visualization http://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/OntoGraf)
21:01:55 <michael> +q
21:02:17 <Payam> OntoGraf doesn't show the property labels - or I couldn't fined how to do this
21:02:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
21:02:31 <Payam> fined
21:03:21 <krzysztof_j> you mean procedure?
21:03:50 <krzysztof_j> michael: you mean Procedure as subclass of method, right?
21:04:20 <michael> it's actualy called process in the ontology
21:07:49 <michael> Laurent: use payam's example for deployment etc, and Andriy's for measurement, need another for process
21:07:50 <Payam> +q
21:07:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Payam
21:08:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Observation#Observation
21:09:06 <michael> Payam: observation class ... should have link from sensor to observation
21:09:13 <michael> Michael: it's in the latest version
21:09:50 <Payam> +q
21:11:12 <michael> Laurent: I've been working on review
21:12:23 <laurent_lefort_cs> Adding references and putting everything into a single page
21:12:47 <laurent_lefort_cs> Payam and Cory's ontologies are less well covered than the others
21:12:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Dolce Ultra Lite alignment
21:12:59 <michael> Michael: DUL alignment meeting after this
21:13:43 <krzysztof_j> i will look for something
21:14:07 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: AOB
21:14:13 <krzysztof_j> but essentially we can copy only the direct super class into the figure
21:14:25 <michael> Laurent: Augemented reality email from the list
21:14:39 <michael> anyone interested?
21:15:22 <michael> Laurent : explaining context
21:15:25 <krzysztof_j> sounds interesting
21:15:42 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/Augemented/Augmented/
21:16:26 <michael> bye
21:16:30 <Zakim> -Payam
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21:21:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
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21:22:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> Scribe: Michael
21:22:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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21:24:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/oe perhaps/or perhaps/
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