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13:34:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:34:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
13:34:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:34:21 <trackbot> Date: 25 August 2010
13:36:44 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:36:59 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:37:38 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0073.html
13:38:19 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morri
13:38:33 <fjh> Regrets- John_Morri
13:38:37 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morris
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13:44:09 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
13:45:11 <dom> Regrets+ Erica_Newland
13:45:29 <dom> Regrets+ Marco_Marengo
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13:57:28 <Fan_HU> Present+ Fan_HU
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13:59:03 <Zakim> +??P10
13:59:04 <Zakim> +darobin
13:59:15 <fjh> zakim, ??P10 is me
13:59:16 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:59:34 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:59:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see darobin, fjh
13:59:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Fan_HU, Dzung_Tran, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, lgombos, wmaslowski_, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
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14:01:25 <Dong-Young> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
14:01:33 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
14:01:35 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
14:01:35 <Zakim> +Thomas
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14:01:54 <fjh> Regrets+ Bryan_Sullivan
14:02:03 <Zakim> +dom
14:02:11 <Zakim> +Fan_HU
14:02:12 <fjh> Regrets+ James_Salsman
14:02:14 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:02:18 <dom> zakim, mute me
14:02:18 <Zakim> dom should now be muted
14:02:35 <Zakim> +??P1
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14:02:52 <Suresh> Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
14:03:02 <dom> zakim, ??P1 is probably Suresh
14:03:02 <Zakim> +Suresh?; got it
14:03:04 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see darobin, fjh, Thomas, dom (muted), Fan_HU, Suresh?
14:03:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Suresh, AnssiK, Claes, Dong-Young, Fan_HU, Dzung_Tran, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, lgombos, wmaslowski_, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:03:11 <dom> Regrets+ Bryan_Sullivan
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14:03:25 <Zakim> +Claes
14:03:33 <LauraA> Present+ LauraA
14:03:44 <Zakim> +Suresh.a
14:03:48 <Zakim> +AnssiK
14:03:49 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:03:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see darobin, fjh, Thomas, dom (muted), Fan_HU, Suresh?, Claes, Suresh.a, AnssiK
14:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see LauraA, Suresh, AnssiK, Claes, Dong-Young, Fan_HU, Dzung_Tran, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, lgombos, wmaslowski_, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:03:50 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:04:01 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:05:07 <Zakim> + +4871719aaaa
14:05:15 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
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14:05:35 <dom> ScribeNick: Claes
14:05:38 <darobin> Scribe: Claes
14:05:43 <wmaslowski> Present+ Wojciech_Maslowski
14:06:06 <fjh> next F2F WG questionnaire and TPAC registration and information
14:06:17 <fjh> WG questionnaire (for all), http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/
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14:06:25 <fjh> TPAC registration (for in-person attendees) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
14:06:34 <fjh> March F2F questionnaire (Seoul, Korea)
14:06:34 <Zakim> + +44.757.091.aabb
14:06:39 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:06:45 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/seoul-f2f-dates/
14:06:47 <richt> zakim, aabb is me
14:06:47 <Zakim> +richt; got it
14:07:01 <Claes> Topic: Minutes approval
14:07:06 <fjh> Approve 18 August minutes
14:07:14 <dom> [the F2F questionnaire is closing today — should I extend it or do we want to make a resolution today for the dates?]
14:07:15 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/att-0064/minutes-2010-08-18.html
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14:08:07 <dom> (I've updated the questionnaire closing date to next week)
14:08:32 <Claes> Topic: Device APIs access control requirements
14:08:39 <fjh> RESOLUTION: 18 August minutes approved
14:08:52 <fjh> Editorial update completed
14:08:55 <Zakim> +nwidell
14:09:02 <dom> s/<flh> RESOLUTION:/<Claes> RESOLUTION:/
14:09:05 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0065.html 
14:09:13 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:09:16 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0072.html
14:09:22 <Zakim> +ilkka
14:09:54 <fjh> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/
14:10:00 <Claes> New version August 25 
14:10:13 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
14:10:17 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Publish updated WD of Device API Access Control Use Cases and Requirements on 26 August 2010.
14:10:32 <darobin> [I'm always in favour of publishing]
14:10:38 <dom> q+
14:10:41 <dom> ack me
14:10:54 <Claes> Dom: Not read new version
14:10:57 <Zakim> -ilkka
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14:11:03 <Claes> ..requests time
14:11:18 <Zakim> +richt
14:11:31 <Claes> Robin: Put at CFC before
14:11:33 <dom> ACTION: Dom to review new version of policy-reqs
14:11:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Review new version of policy-reqs [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-09-01].
14:11:45 <Zakim> +ilkka
14:11:48 <fjh> action: fjh put out cfc for policy requirements
14:11:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Put out cfc for policy requirements [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-01].
14:12:06 <dom> zakim, mute me
14:12:06 <Zakim> dom should now be muted
14:12:37 <Claes> RESOLUTION: Issue CFC before publishing
14:13:25 <Claes> Fjh: Feel free to propose text for doc
14:13:50 <Claes> Topic: Device API Features and Capabilities
14:14:01 <fjh> Updated, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0071.html
14:14:19 <fjh> Next steps - Remove section 2 and publish FPWD
14:14:20 <dom> q+ to ask about getting feedback from Doug/IanF
14:14:25 <dom> ack me
14:14:26 <fjh> ack dom
14:14:26 <Claes> Would like to publish as FPWD
14:14:26 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about getting feedback from Doug/IanF
14:14:57 <Claes> Dom: Would like to get feedback from Doug Turner and Ian Fette
14:15:06 <Suresh> q+
14:15:10 <Claes> ..No response received yet
14:15:19 <fjh> action: fjh to get feedback from Doug Turner and Ian Fette
14:15:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-261 - Get feedback from Doug Turner and Ian Fette [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-01].
14:16:01 <fjh> ack suresh
14:16:06 <dom> zakim, mute me
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14:16:19 <Claes> Fjh: Would like to get a wider view by publishing
14:16:41 <Claes> Suresh: Why lifting only Bondi
14:16:51 <dom> [FWIW, +1 on publishing something; but I think we shouldn't miss the opportunity to attract people that have stated interest on this topic]
14:17:01 <Claes> ..and Android
14:17:41 <Claes> Fjh: Want to get a starting point by informaional text on what we have today
14:18:28 <Zakim> +wonsuk
14:18:40 <fjh> action: fjh to clarify in features document to clarify that BONDI and Android material are informative examples and that result will be DAP
14:18:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-262 - Clarify in features document to clarify that BONDI and Android material are informative examples and that result will be DAP [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-09-01].
14:18:56 <dom> ack me
14:19:04 <Claes> Suresh: Want's only DAP features as normative and other stuff as informative
14:19:29 <Claes> Dom: ot complete enough for publishing
14:19:43 <dom> ACTION: Dom to take a stab at DAP features doc
14:19:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-263 - Take a stab at DAP features doc [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-09-01].
14:19:50 <Claes> s /ot /Not
14:19:56 <dom> zakim, mute me
14:19:56 <Zakim> dom should now be muted
14:20:25 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:20:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see darobin, fjh, Thomas, dom (muted), Fan_HU, Suresh?, Claes, Suresh.a, AnssiK, wmaslowski, nwidell, richt, ilkka, wonsuk
14:20:26 <Claes> Topic: Privacy
14:20:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see wonsuk, richt, nwidell, wmaslowski, LauraA, Suresh, AnssiK, Claes, Dong-Young, Fan_HU, Dzung_Tran, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, lgombos, wmaslowski_, ingmar,
14:20:30 <Zakim> ... ilkka, shepazu, dom, trackbot
14:20:34 <fjh> ACTION-210?
14:20:34 <trackbot> ACTION-210 -- Alissa Cooper to summarize and add issues to ruleset doc -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN
14:20:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/210
14:20:56 <Claes> John is not here..
14:21:13 <Claes> Topic: Contacts
14:21:15 <fjh> q+
14:21:25 <Claes> Liaisaon from OMA on CAB
14:22:05 <tlr> q+
14:22:06 <richt> q+
14:22:10 <tlr> q- later
14:22:32 <Suresh> Latest version of OMA CAB XDMS spec: http://member.openmobilealliance.org/ftp/Public_documents/COM/COM-CAB/Permanent_documents/OMA-TS-CAB_XDMS-V1_0-20100816-D.zip
14:22:36 <Claes> OMA suggests that we adopt CAB and that we look for some common subset from CAB, PoCo etc
14:23:13 <AnssiK> this PoCo mapping to others (by Chris Messina) may be useful: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pSGbbhtwI4kN_nJ1GXeQ7Qg
14:23:27 <Claes> Robin: OMAproposes that we support common fields between these formats
14:23:40 <fjh> ack fjh
14:23:51 <AnssiK> q+
14:23:55 <Suresh> q+
14:23:56 <darobin> q?
14:24:00 <darobin> ack richt
14:24:03 <Claes> ... either adopt complete CAB or subset of common standards
14:24:13 <tlr> q- later
14:24:14 <tlr> q- later
14:24:18 <Claes> Richard: otof overlap
14:24:40 <Claes> s /otof /Lots of
14:24:41 <darobin> s/otof/a lot of/
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14:25:24 <darobin> ack AnssiK 
14:25:49 <Claes> Ansi: PoCo mapping format
14:26:09 <Claes> ... se link above
14:27:00 <dom> -> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pSGbbhtwI4kN_nJ1GXeQ7Qg Portable Contacts Mapping to other formats/vocabularies (by Chris Messina)
14:27:07 <fjh> richard: is DAP goal to be compiant with OMA or across various formats in the table?
14:27:11 <Claes> Richard: Our objective? Objective to comply to OMA or to these other formas
14:27:12 <darobin> ack Suresh 
14:27:16 <fjh> s/compiant/compiant
14:27:27 <darobin> s/compiant/compliant/
14:28:21 <Claes> Suresh: Option 1: OMAformat, Option 2: DAP provides common fileds and provides mapping  table
14:28:29 <Claes> ...prefers Option 2
14:29:07 <Claes> ...we have vCard, PoCo, CAB
14:29:09 <AnssiK> [more PoCo related resources at: http://wiki.portablecontacts.net/Software-and-Services-using-Portable-Contacts]
14:29:22 <Claes> ...look at suggestion 2 
14:29:45 <richt> q+ to ask whether we really should be mapping to vcard v2.1 (OMA input) or vcard v4.0 (the latest standard)
14:29:53 <Claes> ...our main task is API
14:30:07 <Claes> ...lok at other formats
14:30:09 <darobin> ack tlr
14:30:18 <Claes> s /lok /look
14:30:37 <fjh> s/at other/ at other/
14:30:44 <Claes> Tlr: Do we know the OMA work relates to vCard 4 work?
14:30:52 <dom> (I think a mapping table would help get a better idea of the situation; but I doubt an API floating above vocabularies would be useful)
14:30:52 <richt> q-
14:31:17 <Claes> Suresh: We know that vCard4 was limited.
14:31:45 <darobin> [fwiw I agree with dom — it would be good to fill out that spreadsheet with CAB to see if there's enough overlap for it to be useful ]
14:31:53 <Zakim> -Fan_HU
14:32:04 <Claes> .. OMA has mapping between CAB to vCard
14:32:10 <darobin> [it would be nice to keep the model we have and add a "Mapping to CAB" annex — assuming it's even possible...]
14:32:18 <fjh> s/vCard vCard 2.1
14:32:24 <dom> [As an example, LDAP has defined such an API without a well-defined vocabulary; as a result, interoperability across LDAP clients is nightmarish]
14:32:27 <Claes> Tlr: How stable?
14:32:28 <fjh> s/vCard/vCard 2.1
14:32:42 <Claes> Suresh: Will be frozen in a week.
14:33:15 <Zakim> +Fan_HU
14:33:57 <Claes> Tlr: A bunch of moving parts, Mozilla..?
14:34:13 <darobin> s/Mozilla..?/Mozilla seems to be bringing PoCo to IETF
14:34:16 <fjh> tlr suggests convergence is happening toward vcard 4, thus would prefer not to specify yet another format
14:34:23 <Claes> ...hate to see us specify yet another format
14:34:28 <richt> Any public links to PoC dicussions in IETF vCard efforts?
14:34:54 <Zakim> -richt
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14:35:41 <Zakim> +richt
14:35:47 <Claes> ...we could try to get a relevant people (PoCo, vCard, OMA, us) together, first by an e-mail list
14:36:50 <darobin> q?
14:37:17 <Claes> Richt: We have the beginning of some thng converging
14:37:56 <Claes> ...interesting discussion in vCard4. Could we work with them?
14:38:14 <Claes> ..OMA view on vCard4
14:38:32 <fjh> richard asks if OMA is working on supporting vcard4 and when a new version might happen
14:38:43 <Claes> Suresh: OMAhas mapping towards vCard 2.1 and 3
14:39:30 <Suresh> Suresh: getting all the groups together will be a long shot and the quicker solution would be to stick to common fields across the different formats
14:40:05 <Claes> Rich: An API comptable with PoCo if vCard4 is aligned and aligned with CAB?
14:41:29 <tlr> q+
14:41:32 <tlr> -
14:41:32 <tlr> q-
14:41:38 <Claes> Robin: Needs a speradsheet as basis for a possible mapping
14:41:50 <AnssiK> +1 to Robin's proposal
14:42:33 <Claes> Rich: Start with wiki
14:43:08 <Suresh> q+
14:43:22 <darobin> ACTION: richt to produce a spreadsheet of sorts showing overlap/mapping/correspondance between vcard4, poco, cab, and us
14:43:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-264 - Produce a spreadsheet of sorts showing overlap/mapping/correspondance between vcard4, poco, cab, and us [on Richard Tibbett - due 2010-09-01].
14:43:27 <darobin> ack Suresh 
14:44:28 <Claes> Robin: we are currently missing information if mapping is at all possible
14:44:41 <tlr> q+
14:44:51 <darobin> ack tlr
14:44:54 <richt_> ideally we will endorse THE format - not one format or another :)
14:45:16 <Suresh> The question is as a group do we want to endorse a format?
14:45:18 <richt_> that still requires a lot of work across all the different groups.
14:45:28 <Claes> Tlr: A spreadsheet will put the discussion on a more informed basis.
14:45:33 <darobin> +1 to talk, but I want the data first!
14:46:07 <Claes> ...there ought to be some way of achieving convergence
14:46:54 <Claes> ...next step will be to tie together relevant people at a common place
14:48:27 <Claes> Robin: Great plan
14:48:31 <richt_> +1
14:48:49 <tlr> Badulescu, Blanchet, Celik, Hanson, Smarr, Messina, Daboo
14:49:22 <darobin> ACTION: tlr to send an email to start the Contacts Schema Alignment discussion
14:49:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-265 - Send an email to start the Contacts Schema Alignment discussion [on Thomas Roessler - due 2010-09-01].
14:49:40 <Claes> Suresh: Wants to participate
14:50:26 <Claes> Topic: Calendaring coordination
14:51:32 <darobin> Robin: any news?
14:52:01 <darobin> tlr: need to figure out if we need to split the call so as to help Koreans, I'm working on it and will dig into it
14:52:21 <Claes> Tlr: Basic plan to see if we can separate the lunar cal discussion into different tme slot
14:53:26 <Claes> Topic: Messaging
14:53:29 <Suresh> q+
14:53:33 <darobin> ack suresh
14:54:17 <Claes> Suresh: Current draft reflects what we discussed in London
14:55:10 <Claes> ... confortable with current draft for the basic use cases
14:55:14 <dom> [err... the draft has already been published as FPWD, right?]
14:55:41 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-messaging-api-20100810/ Messaging FPWD
14:56:17 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/1CF501F1-CF2B-4371-A099-05C4603F6230@w3.org Messaging issues
14:56:39 <Claes> Robin: Keep coming back to scoping issues
14:57:03 <Claes> ...don't know how to solve them
14:57:37 <Claes> ...want clear use cases for these APIs for the browser use case without policy
14:57:41 <dom> +1 to robin
14:58:02 <dom> ACTION-253?
14:58:02 <trackbot> ACTION-253 -- Suresh Chitturi to make proposals for Contacts and Messaging features in a trusted context due in three weeks -- due 2010-08-31 -- OPEN
14:58:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/253
14:58:56 <Claes> Suresh: We might define options for only browsers version widgets
15:00:05 <Claes> ... have a solid API that is browser API and subset for widgets?
15:02:13 <Claes> ...will look at Action -253 next week 
15:02:40 <Claes> Topic: Capture
15:02:57 <Suresh> The idea is that we have a full API (for trusted environement) and create a compatible subset that would be targeted for the Browser 
15:02:57 <Claes> Look at privacy text but John not here
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15:04:55 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:04:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:05:21 <Zakim> Attendees were darobin, fjh, Thomas, dom, Fan_HU, Suresh?, Claes, Suresh, AnssiK, +4871719aaaa, +44.757.091.aabb, richt, wmaslowski, nwidell, ilkka, wonsuk
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15:05:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-dap-minutes.html fjh2
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