IRC log of mw4d on 2010-08-23

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11:36:18 [RRSAgent]
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11:36:23 [Steph]
zakim, this will be mw'd
11:36:24 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steph
11:36:27 [Steph]
zakim, this will be mw4d
11:36:27 [Zakim]
ok, Steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
11:36:40 [Steph]
Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly call
11:37:07 [Steph]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Aug/0014.html
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Present:Stephane
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Chair:Steph
11:37:23 [Steph]
zakim, make log public
11:37:23 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make log public', Steph
11:37:37 [Steph]
rrsagent, make log public
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11:58:10 [Steph]
zakim, code ?
11:58:10 [Zakim]
the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steph
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MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
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+ +358.160.aaaa
11:58:52 [Steph]
zakim, aaaa is me
11:58:52 [Zakim]
+Steph; got it
11:58:57 [Steph]
zakim, who is here ?
11:58:57 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Steph
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On IRC I see Shwetank, stephanierieger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steph, Adesina
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+[IPcaller]
11:59:51 [Steph]
zakim, IPcaller is Shwetank
11:59:51 [Zakim]
+Shwetank; got it
11:59:58 [Steph]
Present+Shwetank
12:01:06 [Zakim]
+??P2
12:01:17 [Steph]
zakim, ??P2 is Stephanie
12:01:17 [Zakim]
+Stephanie; got it
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Present+Stephanie
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+ +41.22.730.aabb
12:02:16 [Steph]
zakim, aabb is Raphael
12:02:16 [Zakim]
+Raphael; got it
12:02:25 [Steph]
Present+Raphael
12:03:36 [Adesina]
Hello All!
12:04:40 [Steph]
Hi Adesina
12:05:13 [Zakim]
+ +44.750.070.aacc
12:05:20 [Steph]
zakim, aacc is Betty
12:05:20 [Zakim]
+Betty; got it
12:05:25 [Steph]
Present+Betty
12:06:01 [Steph]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Aug/0014.html
12:06:15 [Steph]
Topic: Tools
12:06:30 [Steph]
http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_tools
12:07:09 [Steph]
Stephanie: updated the wiki
12:07:18 [Steph]
transcribed everythign i had so far
12:07:25 [Steph]
asked for comments
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received 5-6 answers
12:07:47 [Steph]
tried to capture all the discussions
12:08:05 [Steph]
created a large table with a series of criteria
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with sub-criteria
12:08:53 [Steph]
Will update after the discussion today and send it to the list
12:09:18 [raphael]
I have
12:09:22 [raphael]
quickly
12:09:41 [Steph]
raphael: went go through quickly
12:09:47 [Steph]
will add directly in the wiki
12:10:32 [Steph]
Stephanie: criteria different for user and deployment
12:10:36 [Steph]
different categorie
12:10:45 [Steph]
might be good to separate in two different pieces
12:10:51 [Steph]
different type of information
12:11:22 [Steph]
might be good to differentiate
12:12:00 [raphael]
I agree. We may need more categories
12:12:28 [Steph]
stephane: +1 to separate end-user and those who will deploy
12:13:06 [Steph]
raphael: good to capture the difference between plug&play and those who needs integration
12:13:12 [Steph]
good to structure
12:13:44 [Steph]
stephanie: right. interesting to see how oteh rpeople are structuring tools
12:14:06 [Steph]
my next step
12:15:22 [Steph]
steph: capturing use cases is important too
12:16:25 [betty]
q+
12:16:38 [Steph]
steph: also applying the method to a set of tools
12:16:57 [betty]
Spoken Web from IBM India?
12:16:58 [christellescharff]
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12:17:10 [Shwetank]
yes, spoken web work is done in india
12:17:10 [Steph]
betty: example spoken web ?
12:17:16 [Shwetank]
at least part of it
12:17:17 [Steph]
going to be analyzed
12:18:17 [Adesina]
Is there is report on the spoken web work in India?
12:18:21 [Steph]
shwetank: research project for now
12:18:25 [Steph]
not a tool
12:18:50 [betty]
@Adesina: I can e-mail list of papers about spoken Web.
12:19:03 [Adesina]
Kindly do Betty. Thanks
12:19:24 [Steph]
Adesina, links to spoken web are on the wiki
12:19:46 [Steph]
shwetank: things are ambiguous
12:20:00 [Steph]
certain tools are not gears to mobile
12:20:06 [Steph]
but might be useful
12:21:04 [stephanierieger]
q+
12:21:09 [Steph]
things like task manager or alike
12:21:14 [Steph]
ack betty
12:21:20 [Steph]
ack stephanierieger
12:21:23 [raphael]
a should be smthg one can use on a mobile
12:21:28 [raphael]
no?
12:21:35 [Steph]
stephanie: anything that can someone use from a mobile
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is ok
12:22:26 [Steph]
+1
12:22:29 [raphael]
+1
12:22:29 [Shwetank]
good to know
12:23:24 [raphael]
j2me apps and mobile web apps are tools, I guess
12:23:42 [Steph]
stephane: licensed ones too ?
12:23:52 [raphael]
pc-based tools to interact with phones via SMS are toosl too
12:23:55 [Steph]
shwetank: as far as they can be used to provide social value, they are ok
12:24:09 [stephanierieger]
+1
12:26:42 [raphael]
q+
12:27:04 [Steph]
ack raphael
12:29:28 [Steph]
http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_tools
12:32:05 [Steph]
Topic: I18N discussion
12:32:38 [Steph]
http://rishida.net/blog/?p=445
12:34:39 [raphael]
q+
12:35:06 [Steph]
raphael:
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could be documented on the wiki
12:35:21 [Steph]
motivation behind the discussion
12:35:25 [Steph]
lots of exchange
12:35:30 [Shwetank]
q+
12:35:35 [Steph]
might be good to capture that on one of our wiki page
12:35:39 [Steph]
ack raphael
12:35:44 [Steph]
ack shwetank
12:35:48 [stephanierieger]
+1
12:36:05 [Steph]
shwetank: would be good to capture which phones/os supports which type of fonts
12:36:21 [Steph]
but thousand of phones
12:38:13 [Shwetank]
agree
12:38:23 [Steph]
steph: understanding what information is important is essetial
12:38:30 [stephanierieger]
q+
12:38:41 [Steph]
gathering lmarket info is harder, particularly as things are getting outdated very quickly
12:39:22 [Steph]
stephanie: doing lots of research on mobile and browser, but don't know yet this info
12:39:31 [Steph]
this is very sensitive with the local context
12:39:52 [Steph]
phones released in different regions have different features
12:40:03 [Steph]
but might be interesting to have more info
12:40:43 [Shwetank]
I could work a little on this .... as having this kind of info, even a small bit, could be usefull
12:40:47 [Steph]
ACTION: steph to create a wiki page about I81N isue
12:41:19 [Shwetank]
great
12:41:49 [Steph]
Topic: other MW4D work items
12:44:19 [Shwetank]
q+
12:44:32 [Steph]
ack stephanierieger
12:44:37 [Steph]
ack shwetank
12:44:43 [raphael]
q+
12:44:49 [Steph]
shwetank: i've interest in banking and will look at that
12:45:06 [Steph]
ack raphael
12:45:23 [Steph]
raphael: working on pineapple in beni
12:45:25 [Steph]
n
12:45:34 [Steph]
i would be happy to help in Agriculture
12:45:53 [Steph]
steph: will create a page on agriculture soon
12:46:14 [Shwetank]
q+
12:46:43 [Steph]
ACTION: steph to create a wiki page on agriculture, and a page mbanking
12:47:02 [Steph]
ack shwetank
12:48:46 [Shwetank]
cool, got it
12:48:52 [betty]
q+
12:49:02 [betty]
My research uses social anthropological & statistical approach to analysis the 2-way impact between mobile Web & society.
12:49:04 [Steph]
steph: more domain better, but need more resource
12:49:21 [Steph]
betty: about impact, this is my research
12:49:28 [Steph]
happy to work on that
12:49:40 [Steph]
http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_impact
12:50:29 [stephanierieger]
I can work on Education and have quite a bit of historical data on the subject but less information about initiatives in the past 1-2 years.
12:51:35 [Steph]
Action: steph to create a page about education
12:52:12 [Steph]
Topic: Workshop
12:54:05 [raphael]
q+
12:54:15 [Steph]
steph: good to do a new workshop ?
12:54:18 [Steph]
ack betty
12:54:22 [Steph]
ack raphael
12:54:34 [Steph]
raphel: great opportunity
12:54:48 [Steph]
but not enough participation from people form target communities
12:55:18 [Steph]
but we might to put more energy ot bring people online
12:56:11 [Steph]
mobilizing people is critical
12:56:46 [Steph]
trying to mobilize people to interact online
12:57:34 [Steph]
more efficient than one time event
12:57:56 [Steph]
steph: target groups ?
12:58:11 [Steph]
raphael: apps developer
12:58:18 [Steph]
they would bring input
12:58:47 [Steph]
more people could participate in the wiki and on the mailing-list
12:58:53 [Steph]
we need more people
12:58:59 [Steph]
particuarly working in Africa
12:59:20 [Steph]
field experience is critical
13:01:14 [Shwetank]
q+
13:01:20 [Steph]
ack shwetanl
13:01:24 [Steph]
ack shwetank
13:01:34 [Steph]
shwetank: more participation from dev countries
13:01:49 [Steph]
would be good to outreach to other people like china or indonesia
13:01:56 [Steph]
identifying people and outreaching to them
13:02:06 [betty]
q+
13:02:22 [betty]
I agree with the face-to-face workshop, because it's strengthen bond among people working in MW4D. But travelling can be costly to gather people from various places, so is it possible to arrange representation? Eg someone represents MW4D projects in Sub Saharan countries, South East Asia, etc.
13:02:58 [Steph]
steph: +1
13:03:13 [raphael]
+1
13:03:18 [Steph]
Topic: NExt meeting
13:03:38 [Steph]
september 6
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steph: ok ?
13:03:42 [raphael]
OK
13:03:50 [betty]
Sep 6 is OK with me.
13:04:20 [Zakim]
-Shwetank
13:04:22 [Zakim]
-Raphael
13:04:23 [Zakim]
-Stephanie
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-Steph
13:04:26 [Zakim]
-Betty
13:04:27 [Zakim]
MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +358.160.aaaa, Steph, Shwetank, Stephanie, +41.22.730.aabb, Raphael, +44.750.070.aacc, Betty
13:04:29 [Steph]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/23-mw4d-minutes.html Steph
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