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15:18:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:18:41 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2010
15:20:26 <YolandaGil> thanks Simon!
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15:34:36 <YolandaGil> Agenda item 1: Gap analysis for the Disease Outbreak scenario
15:35:21 <YolandaGil> James added a number of references to the section on "Relevant Research on Provenance"
15:35:49 <YolandaGil> Yolanda and James added the gap analysis items
15:36:23 <YolandaGil> All the items from the gap analysis of the News Aggregator scenario are relevant to this DO scenario as well, so they are all incorporated
15:36:59 <YolandaGil> On the issue of overlap of gap analysis across scenarios, we thought it was good to reiterate the conclusions to make a stronger case of why they are important
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15:42:11 <YolandaGil> James suggests that we distinguish issues that can be resolved by developing a system or solution, versus items that require the development of standards and general mechanisms and infrastructure
15:43:01 <YolandaGil> Jun mentions that from medical researchers a big issue is dealing with granularity of provenance
15:44:07 <michaelp> q+
15:45:16 <smiles> zakim, ack paulo
15:45:16 <Zakim> I see michaelp on the speaker queue
15:46:11 <michaelp> zakim, ack michaelp
15:46:11 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:46:50 <YolandaGil> We deal with granularity in two ways: 1) how to attach provenance to collections of objects, 2) abstraction when reporting provenance to a user.  The former is under content, the latter is under use.
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15:55:13 <YolandaGil> Yolanda encourages everyone to continue to contribute references and comments to the scenario, but we will not be discussing details in future telecons
15:56:10 <YolandaGil> Agenda item 2: Discuss provenance research relevant to the Business Contract scenario
15:56:42 <YolandaGil> Simon points to his email where he mentions relevant work: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Aug/0029.html
15:57:56 <YolandaGil> Yolanda mentions that this scenario is unique in highlighting justification and privacy in provenance, also unlike the other two it does not have the issue of integration from various sources
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16:00:59 <YolandaGil> Paulo brings up issues in privacy: the provenance is recorded internally in a system, then at publication time you want to move the records out and make them public.  
16:01:48 <YolandaGil> Michael responds that a system internally has to manage persistence
16:03:30 <YolandaGil> Yolanda suggests to highlight in this scenario the importance of standards: even though there are only two parties in the scenario that care about the provenance and could agree to a shared representation between them, we should highlight that the company has many customers and would not want to develop a new provenance representation for each customer so a standard is useful
16:04:38 <YolandaGil> Yolanda: next week we will discuss the gap analysis for the Business Contract scenario, and wrap up this scenario analysis in a concise document
16:04:58 <YolandaGil> Agenda was at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Aug/0028.html
16:05:17 <YolandaGil> rrsagent, set log public
16:05:23 <YolandaGil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/20-prov-xg-minutes.html YolandaGil
16:05:51 <YolandaGil> Zakim, this will be inc_provxg
16:05:51 <Zakim> ok, YolandaGil, I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM already started
16:06:01 <YolandaGil> Scribe: YolandaGil
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16:06:54 <YolandaGil> trackbot, end telcon
16:06:54 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:06:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], michaelp, [ISI], +1.915.747.aaaa, +1.706.461.aabb
16:06:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/20-prov-xg-minutes.html trackbot
16:06:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:06:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items