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17:03:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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17:03:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
17:03:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
17:03:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:03:03 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2010
17:03:09 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
17:03:09 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
17:04:23 <shepazu> Zakim, drop shepazu 
17:04:23 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
17:05:07 <shepazu> Zakim, room for 3?
17:05:09 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)17:05Z scheduled with code 26633 (CONF3) for 60 minutes until 1805Z
17:05:18 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
17:05:18 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
17:05:19 <Zakim> Team_(webapps)17:05Z has now started
17:05:20 <Zakim> +Shepazu
17:05:48 <shepazu> smaug_, code is 26633
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17:06:44 <smaug_> shepazu: now?
17:06:53 <smaug_> I thought at 21 pm
17:06:57 <smaug_> (EET)
17:07:01 <smaug_> in an hour 
17:07:03 <smaug_> the usual time
17:07:10 <shepazu> oh, ok
17:07:21 <shepazu> nm
17:07:24 <Zakim> -Shepazu
17:07:26 <Zakim> Team_(webapps)17:05Z has ended
17:07:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu
17:07:49 <shepazu> smaug_: I updated the spec
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18:02:25 <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
18:02:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:02:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:02:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
18:02:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:02:31 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2010
18:02:39 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started
18:02:43 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:02:54 <shepazu> Zakim, who's here?
18:02:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shepazu
18:02:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see smaug_, Lachy, sicking, arve, Zakim, RRSAgent, MikeSmithX, aroben, ArtB, anne5, karl, Peter, dandaman, Martijnc, Lawouach, gavin, shepazu, krijnh, gsnedders, jgraham,
18:03:04 <Zakim> ... Hixie, hober, timeless, ilkka, trackbot
18:03:34 <Zakim> +??P2
18:03:58 <smaug_> Zakim, ??P2 is Olli_Pettay
18:03:58 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
18:04:31 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:04:55 <Travis> Travis has joined #webapps
18:05:39 <smaug_> "W3C Editor's Draft 04 August 2010"
18:07:51 <smaug_> scribe: Olli
18:09:44 <smaug_> shepazu: changing keyCode from DOMString to long
18:19:56 <smaug_> shepazu: is it useful to have these printed control characters?
18:20:06 <smaug_> Travis: I like them
18:22:25 <smaug_> Travis: let's take both ; .char and .key when possible
18:24:20 <smaug_> smaug_: people will ask about .charCode
18:25:02 <smaug_> shepazu: .charCode doesn't give any new information, .keyCode does
18:28:12 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/products/2
18:31:00 <smaug_> shepazu: closing ISSUE-39, not going to change the order of mutation events
18:31:24 <smaug_> shepazu: ISSUE-42 is done
18:33:10 <smaug_> shepazu:  (about ISSUE-43) I did do a lot about this, though perhaps not enough for Ian.
18:33:41 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html?rev=1.135#event-type-click
18:33:43 <smaug_> shepazu: lots of it is the order of the events, like mouse event order
18:35:21 <smaug_> shepazu: marking ISSUE-43 closed
18:37:07 <smaug_> shepazu: ISSUE-44; some of this is done in HTML5, some in D3E (defaultView)
18:41:25 <smaug_> shepazu: I'm going to leave ISSUE-86 open
18:41:51 <smaug_> shepazu: ...and add a section about device event order and event loops etc
18:43:01 <smaug_> Travis: sounds similar to D3E 3.3
18:44:04 <smaug_> shepazu: closing ISSUE-87 
18:44:16 <smaug_> it is clarified in the draft
18:45:03 <smaug_> shepazu: closing ISSUE-92 . focusin is in the spec 
18:45:23 <smaug_> shepazu: ISSUE-102 is still open
18:46:28 <smaug_> shepazu: closing ISSUE-106.
18:48:24 <smaug_> shepazu: ISSUE-111, z was added for wheel, but not to mouse events
18:49:58 <smaug_> shepazu: defer to future spec
18:54:45 <smaug_> shepazu: leaving ISSUE-113 open. needs more discussion
18:57:07 <smaug_> shepazu: ISSUE-118 looks like an edge use case to me
18:57:35 <smaug_> Travis: systems aren't designed to mix trusted and untrusted in this manner
18:57:40 <smaug_> smaug_: I agree
18:58:18 <smaug_> shepazu: closing ISSUE-118
18:59:28 <smaug_> shepazu: I'll go through the open actions
19:00:18 <smaug_> shepazu: we're going to use html test framework
19:07:33 <smaug_> smaug_: I'll send an email to the list about composition events and key events
19:08:19 <smaug_> shepazu: I'll try to resolve the open actions
19:09:05 <smaug_> shepazu: I'll add details about event attributes
19:09:32 <smaug_> shepazu: last call period could be then 6 weeks
19:11:26 <smaug_> shepazu: we don't need to have all the telcons during that period
19:12:04 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
19:12:08 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:12:17 <Zakim> -Shepazu
19:12:18 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
19:12:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, Olli_Pettay, [Microsoft]
19:12:31 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
19:12:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
19:12:31 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
19:12:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:12:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
19:12:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
19:12:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items