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13:47:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:47:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
13:47:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:47:35 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2010
13:48:01 <fjh> Regrets: Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Marco_Marengo, John_Morris
13:48:12 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:48:19 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:48:34 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0058.html
13:51:37 <fjh> Regrets+ WonSuk_Lee, Ingmar_Kliche, Erica_Newland
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13:59:01 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:59:09 <Zakim> + +358.504.86aaaa
13:59:29 <Zakim> + +4871719aabb
13:59:39 <AnssiK> zakim, aaaa in AnssiK
13:59:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa in AnssiK', AnssiK
13:59:50 <AnssiK> zakim, aaaa is AnssiK
13:59:50 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:00:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:00:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:00:23 <wmaslowski_> zakim, aabb is wmaslowski
14:00:23 <Zakim> +wmaslowski; got it
14:00:23 <darobin> Zakim, [IPCaller] is me
14:00:24 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:00:25 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
14:00:25 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:00:36 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aacc
14:00:44 <bryan_sullivan> bryan_sullivan has joined #dap
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14:00:54 <Suresh> Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
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14:01:06 <Zakim> + +33.5.61.30.aadd
14:01:14 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
14:01:19 <bryan_sullivan> present+ bryan_sullivan
14:01:50 <Zakim> + +1.972.373.aaee
14:01:54 <fjh> zakim, aacc is bryan_sullivan
14:01:54 <Zakim> +bryan_sullivan; got it
14:01:59 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, wmaslowski, darobin (muted), fjh, bryan_sullivan, +33.5.61.30.aadd, +1.972.373.aaee
14:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, Mohammed, Suresh, bryan_sullivan, fjhlurker, wmaslowski_, Claes, AnssiK, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, arve, wmaslowski, lgombos, shepazu, ingmar, ilkka,
14:02:03 <Zakim> ... dom, trackbot
14:02:08 <Suresh> zakim, aaee is Suresh
14:02:08 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aaff
14:02:11 <Zakim> +Suresh; got it
14:02:26 <Claes> zakim aaff is Claes
14:02:29 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:02:49 <richt> richt has joined #dap
14:02:58 <Claes> zakim, aaff is Claes
14:02:58 <Zakim> + +358.504.86aagg
14:02:58 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
14:03:10 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
14:03:12 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:03:15 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, wmaslowski, darobin (muted), fjh, bryan_sullivan, +33.5.61.30.aadd, Suresh, Claes, +358.504.86aagg
14:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see richt, Dzung_Tran, Mohammed, Suresh, bryan_sullivan, fjhlurker, wmaslowski_, Claes, AnssiK, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, arve, wmaslowski, lgombos, shepazu, ingmar,
14:03:18 <Zakim> ... ilkka, dom, trackbot
14:03:21 <ilkka> zakim, aagg is ilkka
14:03:21 <Zakim> +ilkka; got it
14:03:34 <wmaslowski_> sry
14:03:40 <wmaslowski_> no i havent
14:03:46 <fjh> ok, so wmaslowski will take minutes?
14:03:55 <darobin> thanks a lot!
14:04:06 <Mohammed> present+ Mohammed_dadas
14:04:13 <wmaslowski_> well i can try
14:04:25 <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aahh
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14:04:34 <richt> zakim, aahh is me
14:04:34 <Zakim> +richt; got it
14:04:41 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:04:54 <darobin> Zakim, aadd is Mohammed 
14:04:54 <Zakim> +Mohammed; got it
14:05:11 <darobin> ~"voy-check"
14:05:20 <fjh> ScribeNick: wmaslowski
14:05:27 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aaii
14:05:32 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
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14:05:42 <nwidell> zakim, aaii is nwidell
14:05:42 <Zakim> +nwidell; got it
14:05:50 <Dong-Young> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
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14:06:07 <Fan_HU> Present+ Fan_HU
14:06:18 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:06:41 <Zakim> +??P20
14:07:05 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:07:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, wmaslowski, darobin (muted), fjh, bryan_sullivan, Mohammed, Suresh, Claes, ilkka, richt, nwidell, ??P20
14:07:05 <Dong-Young> Dong-Young Lee (LGE)
14:07:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Fan_HU, Dong-Young, nwidell, richt, Dzung_Tran, Mohammed, Suresh, bryan_sullivan, fjhlurker, wmaslowski_, Claes, AnssiK, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, arve,
14:07:10 <Zakim> ... wmaslowski, lgombos, shepazu, ingmar, ilkka, dom, trackbot
14:07:14 <Zakim> +darobin.a
14:07:20 <Zakim> -darobin
14:07:29 <darobin> Zakim, darobin.a is me
14:07:29 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:07:49 <fjh> TPAC F2F
14:07:58 <fjh> WG questionnaire (for all), http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/
14:08:09 <fjh> TPAC registration (for in-person attendees) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
14:08:18 <fjh> March F2F questionnaire (Seoul, Korea)
14:08:25 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/seoul-f2f-dates/
14:08:47 <fjh> Contacts API WD published 17 August
14:08:54 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-contacts-api-20100817/
14:09:05 <fjh> W3C Workshop on Privacy and data usage control 04/05 October 2010, Boston
14:09:11 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2010/policy-ws/
14:09:47 <fjh> Topic: Minutes Approval
14:09:47 <wmaslowski_> TOPIC minutes approval
14:09:54 <fjh> Approve 11 August minutes
14:10:03 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/att-0041/minutes-2010-08-11.html
14:10:07 <wmaslowski_> Topic Minutes Approval
14:10:39 <wmaslowski_> RESOLUTION: Minutes 11 Aug approved
14:10:50 <Fan_HU> I have been trying to dial in, but both UK and French number are busy, anyone experience the same problem? 
14:11:21 <wmaslowski_> Topic: Proposed Policy Requirements  revision
14:12:27 <Zakim> + +44.208.849.aajj
14:12:41 <fjh> proposal - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0051.html
14:12:43 <Fan_HU> zakim aajj is Fan_HU
14:12:51 <wmaslowski_> fjh: Wonders if we can pdate the requirements with the new proposal
14:12:52 <fjh> update - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0057.html
14:13:28 <Suresh> +
14:13:30 <Suresh> q+
14:13:38 <fjh> ack Suresh
14:14:19 <bryan_sullivan> q+
14:14:48 <wmaslowski_> suresh: Wonders about if widgets/applications always run in 'trusted' mode
14:15:14 <fjh> untrusted widget - either not signed, or signed without trusted root
14:15:18 <bryan_sullivan> q-
14:16:57 <wmaslowski_> RESOLUTION: Approved fjh' proposal
14:17:08 <fjh> action: fjh to update policy requirement with proposal
14:17:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Update policy requirement with proposal [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-25].
14:17:23 <Suresh> perhaps we could name the category as "Untrusted web applications" or similar to be more generic
14:17:40 <wmaslowski_> ACTION: fjh Update the requirements
14:17:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Update the requirements [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-25].
14:18:32 <fjh> Topic: Features
14:18:33 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0054.html 
14:20:37 <fjh> bryan notes that should use strings in BONDI case as well, since URI can change with versioning even if capability constant
14:21:21 <wmaslowski_> fjh: Are features and capabilites the same?
14:21:28 <Suresh> we have keep in mind that Widgets P&C spec uses "feature IRI"
14:22:34 <wmaslowski_> bryan_sullivan: At this stage it is better to concentrate on capabilities 
14:22:53 <fjh> suggest we focus on permissions / capabilities in this case, not sure distinction of these levels and complexity are helpful now
14:24:04 <fjh> action: fjh to update features to use strings for BONDI, add text regarding features/capabilities
14:24:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Update features to use strings for BONDI, add text regarding features/capabilities [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-25].
14:24:32 <fjh> Topic: Privacy
14:24:58 <wmaslowski_> fjh: Not sure what we wanna do with it
14:25:02 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Aug/0059.html
14:25:17 <wmaslowski_> fjh: Looks for reviewers/someone ot work on it
14:25:53 <fjh> I suggest we can defer this until we have agreement on rulesets
14:26:32 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:26:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, wmaslowski, fjh, bryan_sullivan, Mohammed, Suresh, Claes, ilkka, richt, nwidell, ??P20, darobin, Fan_HU
14:26:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Fan_HU, Dong-Young, nwidell, richt, Dzung_Tran, Mohammed, Suresh, bryan_sullivan, fjhlurker, wmaslowski_, Claes, AnssiK, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, arve,
14:26:37 <Zakim> ... wmaslowski, lgombos, shepazu, ingmar, ilkka, dom, trackbot
14:27:14 <wmaslowski_> Topic: Calendaring coordination
14:27:51 <fjh> s/Are features and capabilites the same?//
14:28:25 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:28:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:28:53 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/contacts-api/ new contacts API
14:28:53 <fjh> s/zakim aaff is Claes//
14:29:01 <wmaslowski_> Topic: Contacts new draft published. Additional updates?
14:29:05 <fjh> s/sry//
14:29:15 <fjh> s/no i havent//
14:29:26 <fjh> s/ok, so wmaslowski will take minutes?//
14:29:39 <fjh> s/thanks a lot!//
14:29:50 <fjh> s/well i can try//
14:30:01 <fjh> s/~"voy-check"//
14:30:20 <fjh> s/TOPIC minutes approval//
14:30:34 <fjh> s/Topic Minutes Approval//
14:30:53 <fjh> s/zakim aajj is Fan_HU//
14:31:11 <fjh> s/Wonders if we can pdate/Can we update
14:31:34 <fjh> s/Approved fjh' proposal/Accept proposed update to policy requirements
14:31:51 <fjh> s/Not sure what we wanna do with it//
14:32:01 <wmaslowski_> wmaslowski: therea are some issues to be solved. But i can go further with formal draft.
14:32:37 <fjh> s/Looks for reviewers/proposal to represent ruleset in another format, seems feasible
14:33:05 <wmaslowski_> Action: wmaslowski to make a formal proposal for integration of forms and contacts.
14:33:05 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - wmaslowski
14:33:21 <Suresh> q+
14:33:30 <wmaslowski_> Action: wmaslowski_ to make a formal proposal for integration of forms and contacts.
14:33:30 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - wmaslowski_
14:33:31 <Mohammed> q+
14:33:48 <darobin> ack Suresh 
14:33:50 <fjh> ack suresh
14:33:50 <darobin> ack Mohammed 
14:34:56 <wmaslowski_> Topic: Capture
14:35:41 <fjh> illka notes draft is ready for FPWD
14:35:51 <wmaslowski_> Mohammed: New changes in capture
14:35:58 <fjh> s/ready/almost ready
14:36:31 <AnssiK> q+ on SysInfo and serializing async API calls get() and monitor()
14:36:40 <darobin> ack AnssiK 
14:36:40 <Zakim> AnssiK, you wanted to comment on SysInfo and serializing async API calls get() and monitor()
14:36:55 <wmaslowski_> Topic: SysInfo status (deferred unless new topics)
14:37:34 <AnssiK> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/#methods
14:37:45 <wmaslowski_> AnssiK: What happens if you call get/monitor when previous call havent finished
14:38:18 <bryan_sullivan> q+
14:38:26 <wmaslowski_> AnssiK: Do we do the same as in Contact ie. call error callback in that case
14:38:40 <darobin> ack bryan_sullivan 
14:38:56 <darobin> "If a current find(), save() or remove() operation is pending a response, and the method was invoked with a non-null errorCB argument, invoke the errorCB with a PENDING_OPERATION_ERROR  code. "
14:39:00 <AnssiK> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#widl-SystemInfo-get
14:39:12 <AnssiK> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#widl-SystemInfo-monitor
14:39:43 <AnssiK> "If a current find(), save() or remove() operation is pending a response, and the method was invoked with a non-null errorCB argument, invoke the errorCB with a PENDING_OPERATION_ERROR code. "
14:40:24 <AnssiK> above is from Contacts API
14:40:25 <wmaslowski_> bryan_sullivan: I think we sold follow the same pattern
14:40:42 <wmaslowski_> s/sold/should/
14:41:06 <bryan_sullivan> q-
14:42:06 <darobin> ACTION: Richard to define what goes on for concurrent calls to find() when there is no error callback (and step three also needs to define that); then report to group so we can do the same to SysInfo get
14:42:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Define what goes on for concurrent calls to find() when there is no error callback (and step three also needs to define that); then report to group so we can do the same to SysInfo get [on Richard Tibbett - due 2010-08-25].
14:42:47 <Zakim> -bryan_sullivan
14:42:49 <Zakim> -Fan_HU
14:42:51 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:42:52 <Zakim> -darobin
14:42:52 <Zakim> -Suresh
14:42:54 <Zakim> -??P20
14:42:54 <Zakim> -nwidell
14:42:56 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:42:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:43:05 <Zakim> -Claes
14:43:19 <Zakim> -richt
14:43:23 <Zakim> -fjh
14:43:28 <Zakim> -ilkka
14:43:48 <Zakim> -wmaslowski
14:46:19 <fjhlurker> s/ Dong-Young Lee (LGE)//
14:46:39 <fjhlurker> s/+//
14:50:50 <fjhlurker> s/Sorry, couldn't find user - wmaslowski/Sorry, couldn't find user - wmaslowski (Action created manually, see ACTION-258)
14:50:54 <fjhlurker> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:50:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html fjhlurker
14:51:19 <fjhlurker> ACTION-258?
14:51:19 <trackbot> ACTION-258 -- Wojciech Maslowski to make a formal proposal for integration of forms and contacts -- due 2010-08-25 -- OPEN
14:51:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/258
14:51:28 <fjhlurker> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:51:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html fjhlurker
14:53:57 <fjhlurker> ScribeNick: wmaslowski_
14:54:05 <fjhlurker> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:54:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-dap-minutes.html fjhlurker
15:16:24 <Zakim> -Mohammed
15:16:25 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:16:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +358.504.86aaaa, +4871719aabb, AnssiK, wmaslowski, darobin, fjh, +1.425.214.aacc, +33.5.61.30.aadd, +1.972.373.aaee, bryan_sullivan, +46.1.08.01.aaff, Suresh,
15:16:29 <Zakim> ... +358.504.86aagg, Claes, ilkka, +47.23.69.aahh, richt, Mohammed, +46.1.07.15.aaii, nwidell, +44.208.849.aajj, Fan_HU
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