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12:52:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
12:52:16 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
12:52:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:   SSN XG
12:52:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair:     Laurent
12:53:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Aug/0011.html
12:53:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/08/11-ssn-minutes.html
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12:56:45 <laurent_lefort_cs> Regrets: Simon, Kevin, Raul, Sumita, Cory, David, Krzysztof
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13:00:41 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
13:00:48 <Zakim> +??P0
13:01:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, ??P0 is me
13:01:00 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
13:01:08 <Zakim> +??P2
13:01:28 <michael> zakim, ??P2 is me
13:01:28 <Zakim> +michael; got it
13:02:24 <Zakim> + +44.190.865.aaaa
13:03:01 <Andriy> zakim, aaaa is me
13:03:01 <Zakim> +Andriy; got it
13:03:07 <Zakim> +??P3
13:03:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43337/SSN-XG-summer/
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13:05:58 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
13:06:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, ??P3 is vincent
13:06:01 <Zakim> +vincent; got it
13:07:41 <laurent_lefort_cs> Scribenick: Andriy
13:08:08 <Andriy> Topic 1: update (sync) on alignment to DOLCE 
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13:09:10 <Andriy> Michael: There is a DOLCE pattern for describing stimiuli...
13:10:01 <Andriy> Michael: Putting into the alignment: sensors, observations, systems
13:11:05 <Andriy> Michael: other parts (capabilities, etc...) in progress
13:13:12 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Wrap up of changes made to the SSN ontology 
13:13:55 <Andriy> Laurent: Done: adding role composition axioms
13:14:41 <Andriy> Laurent: Confusion between system life time and device life time
13:14:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Aug/0010.html
13:15:01 <Andriy> +q
13:15:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Andriy
13:16:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> Andriy: The property procedure relies the Observation to the Sensor? Could we have better name? e.g. observedBy
13:17:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: procedure in O&M refers sometimmes to the sensor and sometimes to the method 
13:18:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/sometimmes/sometimes/
13:21:33 <Andriy> Laurent: Role composition chains require an order to be defined. Imposes a view point on a relation between Deployment and System...
13:21:37 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Andriy
13:22:21 <Andriy> +q
13:23:18 <Andriy> Options: deployedSystem o onPlatform --> deployedOnPlatform vs hasDeployment o deployedOnPlatform --> onPlatform
13:24:10 <Andriy> Michael: First  option gives more flexibility between Deployment and Platform
13:25:21 <Andriy> Michael: Second option gives more flexibility between System and Platform
13:25:26 <Vincent> +q
13:25:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Andriy
13:26:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Vincent
13:27:02 <Andriy> Vincent: Can several systems on the same platform?
13:27:49 <Andriy> Laurent: Yes, it is possible
13:28:35 <Andriy> Laurent: relation between System and Platform is more likely to be fixed...
13:28:55 <Andriy> Laurent: Is it possible to start from Platform?
13:30:35 <michael> +q
13:30:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack michael
13:31:23 <Andriy> Michael: deployedOnPlatform gives a temporary link
13:32:28 <Andriy> Michael: Option 2 or maybe not having a direct link between Sensor and Platform?
13:33:53 <Andriy> Laurent: Should the topic be deferred for later discussion?
13:34:37 <laurent_lefort_cs> Yes, need to back this with examples
13:34:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Aug/0009.html
13:36:04 <Arthur> It also would be good to have an up to date graphic of this part of ontology
13:36:10 <Andriy> Laurent: madeObservation as a reverse of procedure - maybe a name change needed as well
13:36:24 <Andriy> +q
13:36:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Andriy
13:38:01 <Andriy> Michael: Change observes between Sensor and Property into canObserve...
13:38:39 <Vincent> +q
13:38:51 <Andriy> Michael: use "observe" between Sensor and Observation
13:39:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack Vincent
13:41:42 <Andriy> Laurent: Is it possible to reuse some DOLCE terms?
13:43:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN#Observation
13:45:24 <Andriy> Michael: No suitable options from DOLCE...
13:45:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> References from Jano et al: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Work_in_progress#Stimuli-centered_ontology
13:46:54 <Andriy> Larent: Should be deferred to a later point
13:47:12 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/Larent/Laurent/
13:47:36 <Andriy> Laurent: Namespace change to a PURL-based one
13:48:43 <Andriy> Laurent: One option: redirecting a purl url to the source document
13:49:30 <Andriy> Laurent: Also, link to the documentation can be defined
13:50:30 <Andriy> Laurent: purl uris can be used for examples too.
13:50:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Examples
13:51:36 <michael> feature is the knife
13:51:50 <michael> property is its movement
13:51:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> Andriy: rewriting his example with the new version
13:52:04 <Arthur> the link to a specific anker (#sensor) does not work for me through redirection: http://purl.org/NET/ssnx/ssn#Sensor
13:53:29 <Arthur> I am using safari 5.0.1 on a mac
13:54:39 <Arthur> it works with the direct link: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN#Sensor
13:55:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> MUO http://purl.oclc.org/NET/muo/muo#BaseUnit
13:56:05 <Arthur> no, I also end up at the top of the page
13:56:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> Should get you to here: http://idi.fundacionctic.org/muo/muo-vocab.html
13:56:06 <michael> just takes me to top of page
13:56:16 <Andriy> Same for me
13:57:09 <michael> same for all the ones on that page
13:59:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> Andriy: My sensor has 4 different modes of measurement - How do I define it?
14:03:35 <Andriy> Topic: identification of the "how to" questions which should be documented (on the wiki / in the XG report).
14:04:26 <laurent_lefort_cs> ACTION: Andriy to provide "bullet point" list of steps to document
14:04:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Provide "bullet point" list of steps to document [on Andriy Nikolov - due 2010-08-24].
14:05:47 <Zakim> -vincent
14:05:49 <Zakim> -michael
14:05:54 <Zakim> -Andriy
14:09:42 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:Ssn.xml
14:10:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/3/36/Ssn.xml
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14:11:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN
14:12:57 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:13:06 <Zakim> -laurent_lefort_cs
14:13:08 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:13:09 <Zakim> Attendees were laurent_lefort_cs, michael, +44.190.865.aaaa, Andriy, Arthur, vincent
14:13:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
14:13:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:13:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:13:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
14:15:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/anker/anchor/
14:15:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/Topic 1:/Topic:/
14:16:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:16:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:16:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/update (sync)/Update (sync)/
14:16:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:16:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:17:45 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please generate minutes
14:17:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:24:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, bye
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14:24:10 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:24:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andriy to provide "bullet point" list of steps to document [1]
14:24:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-ssn-irc#T14-04-26