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15:04:54 <klotz> zakim, code?
15:04:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), klotz
15:05:13 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:05:55 <pfennell> I'm in an open office at present so I'll be muted most of the time.
15:08:47 <John_Boyer> scribe: John_Boyer
15:08:53 <John_Boyer> Chair: Leigh
15:09:03 <John_Boyer> Topic: Schema work
15:09:12 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jul/0026.html
15:09:24 <John_Boyer> Leigh: We don't have a quorum, but there are a few tings we can discuss
15:09:41 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Aug/0001.html
15:09:45 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Phillip is interested in working on some schema stuff for Oxygen
15:10:17 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Kurt Cagle advises having more than one schema for various reasons
15:11:31 <John_Boyer> Leigh: I've written schemas that stick to what's allowed, but Mark Birbeck wants schemas that only forbid what isn't allowed for extensibility
15:12:23 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Sticking to what's allowed also helps design environments provide better guidance and expresses  what's interoperable
15:13:03 <John_Boyer> Leigh: But doesn't make as much allowance for extensibility
15:13:21 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Kurt points out we need a strict schema, a lax schema and possibly a third
15:15:29 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Phillip, keep in mind which of these (or possibly more than one at a time) use cases you're writing for as you do your NVDL
15:19:14 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Hopefully NVDL will better enable mixed namespace validation to make it easier to define XForms 1.1 validation separately from host language valdiation
15:20:43 <John_Boyer> Phillip: NVDL lets you do that
15:23:06 <klotz> http://jnvdl.sourceforge.net/tutorial.html
15:24:20 <John_Boyer> Leigh: It is very hard with XML Schema to make xforms repeat work with a host language; not impossible, but a combinatorial explosion.  With NVDL, there is better separation of namespace, so the stuff inside the repeat will just validate transparently as content of the container element of the repeat
15:24:49 <John_Boyer> Leigh: We also need to take a look at the W3C universal validator
15:25:10 <John_Boyer> Phillip: Is that Unicorn?  I was playing around with that and found that ATOM is not supported
15:25:33 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Covered schema issue now
15:25:47 <John_Boyer> Topic: Matrix URIs
15:26:13 <John_Boyer> Phillip: Colon-separated parameters don't work well with HTML forms
15:26:47 <John_Boyer> Phillip: Was wondering if XForms could address this. I should do a write-up
15:27:26 <klotz> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/MatrixURIs.html
15:27:28 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Our only node write now is that you can set the separator, which now defaults to ampersand, but you can set it to semicolon right now
15:27:46 <John_Boyer> Leigh: and serialization visits leaf nodes of the XML data instance
15:29:00 <John_Boyer> Action: Phillip to send group a note about current state of the art on matrix URIs to enable consideration of how to address them in submission serialization
15:29:00 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Phillip
15:29:14 <klotz> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2006/06/30/wadl-enhancements
15:30:04 <John_Boyer> s/node/nod
15:32:08 <John_Boyer> Leigh: Both Phillip and I have done WADL to XForms conversions
15:32:41 <John_Boyer> Leigh: It is hard to do without the matrix URI support
15:34:03 <John_Boyer> Leigh: You can have separate schemas depending on what HTTP method is being used.  You can GET a isMarried boolean but you can't POST it, for example
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15:34:42 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.782.483.aaaa, John_Boyer, Leigh_Klotz
15:34:47 <klotz> thanks john and philip
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15:34:57 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/11-forms-actions.rdf :
15:34:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Phillip to send group a note about current state of the art on matrix URIs to enable consideration of how to address them in submission serialization [1]
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