13:02:15 RRSAgent has joined #wam 13:02:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-irc 13:03:05 ScribeNick: ArtB 13:03:07 Scribe: Art 13:03:09 Agenda = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0344.html 13:03:10 Chair: Art 13:03:12 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 13:03:13 Regrets: Frederick, Kenneth, Robin 13:03:15 Present: Art, Marcos 13:03:18 Topic: Review and tweak agenda 13:03:22 AB: the draft agenda was posted a few days ago: ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0344.html ). Any change requests? 13:03:35 MC: no 13:03:41 Topic: Announcements 13:03:48 AB: any short announcements? 13:04:39 [ none ] 13:04:40 Topic: Packaging and Configuration spec 13:04:49 AB: Marcos uploaded several I18N test cases to the P&C test repository ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0138.html ). 13:05:14 AB: how many I18N tests have been uploaded and are there any more? 13:05:28 MC: we uploaded about 170 and have a few more 13:05:41 ... we also need to remove some redundancies 13:06:28 AB: I counted about 277 last week for all of P&C 13:06:35 MC: that sounds about right 13:06:40 ... don't expect any more 13:07:05 AB: what about review of the I18N tests? 13:07:23 MC: Lachlan and one other guy at Opera reviewed them 13:07:28 ... and I reviewed them too 13:07:37 ... we still need to get review by the I18N WG 13:08:24 AB: agree we should ask I18N WG for comments 13:08:33 ... but we should wait until we are "done" 13:09:24 MC: Hari Kumar will notify me when the tests are ready for I18N WG comments 13:10:58 ACTION: Marcos notify the I18N Core WG about the I18N test cases and ask them for comments 13:10:58 Created ACTION-567 - Notify the I18N Core WG about the I18N test cases and ask them for comments [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-08-12]. 13:12:47 AB: Marcos also uploaded several viewmode attribute parsing test cases ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0096.html ). 13:13:12 MC: yes, those test fill a hole we had in our test suite 13:13:30 AB: as a result of these new test cases, none of the P&C implementations is even at 50% compliance ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/imp-report/ ). 13:14:16 AB: a question is whether or not the I18N support is "optional" or not 13:14:44 MC: no they really aren't because the parsing algorithms are now directly included in the spec 13:15:02 ... whereas before when we pointed to the ITS spec the algorithms were external 13:15:30 ... These new test cases are important and Lachlan did a very thorough job 13:16:50 AB: so the UA must adhere to the syntax and parsing constraints but the UA doesn't really have any requirements on how to display internationalized attributes 13:16:54 ... is this right? 13:16:58 MC: yes, that's right 13:17:34 MC: how the UA displays the internationalized strings is platform specific 13:19:59 AB: we now need to get at least 2 implementations that can pass all of the test suites 13:25:49 AB: Issue-117 ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/117 ) "In Widget P&C Spec, need to clarify in the spec that dir attribute does not apply to attributes that are IRIs, Numeric, Keywords, etc. The dir attribute only affects human readable strings.". 13:25:56 AB: to address this issue, I believe Marcos already updated the spec with some "editorial" fix several weeks ago. Is this correct Marcos? 13:26:33 MC: yes, I have already uploaded the fixes 13:26:49 ... this required creating the "displayable attribute" 13:26:56 ... so this issue can be closed 13:27:27 AB: so this was editorial, right? 13:27:38 MC: yes, definitely - it did not affect the processing 13:27:53 AB: OK, would then please close this issue Marcos? 13:27:58 MC: yes, I just closed it. 13:28:20 Topic: Widget Interface spec 13:28:28 AB: Issue-116 ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/116 ) "Need to flesh out the security considerations for the openURL method in the Widget Interface spec" is blocking advancement of this spec to Proposed Recommenation. 13:28:39 AB: Marcos proposed openURL be removed. If that is done, what is there an alternate way a developer can get similar functionality? 13:29:33 MC: I can take an action to define some mechanism 13:30:07 AB: can you submit a proposal to the list? 13:30:12 MC: yes, I can do that 13:30:50 ACTION: Marcos create an alternative mechanism for openURL and send it to the mail list 13:30:51 Created ACTION-568 - Create an alternative mechanism for openURL and send it to the mail list [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-08-12]. 13:31:43 MC: I also looked at removing the Web IDL ref 13:32:08 ... it is a lot more than difficult than I would have guessed 13:32:21 ... and even if we do that, we still have HTML and Web Storage refs 13:32:48 AB: given those dependencies, I don't think it make sense to remove the Web IDL ref 13:32:51 MC: agreed 13:33:42 AB: after the group discusses your openURL alternate proposal, then we can get formal consensus on removing openURL or not 13:34:49 kenneth has joined #wam 13:37:40 AB: if the group accepts this change, the TWI spec will need to go back to LCWD 13:38:06 ... but since we already have more than 2 implementations that pass the TWI test suite, 13:38:22 ... we can skip another CR and go straight to PR 13:43:09 AB: anything else on the TWI spec for today? 13:43:12 MC: no 13:43:23 Topic: AOB 13:44:27 oh 13:44:57 perhaps action to look at mozilla's package thing 13:45:13 marcos, can you drop in a link 13:46:14 MC: I'm wondering if we should put some effort into the old P&C conformance spec 13:46:21 ... we could publish it again 13:46:45 AB: could it be published as an informative WG Note 13:46:59 +Josh_Soref 13:47:08 Present+ Josh 13:47:34 JS: It is OK with me if openURL is removed 13:47:55 ... I agree decision on Web IDL 13:49:01 http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg22629.html 13:49:14 ... there was some discussion about web app packging on WHAT WG list this week 13:49:28 ... should review this email 13:50:23 ... don't think we want them to reinvent the wheels we created in WebApps 13:50:42 AB: thanks for the headsup 13:51:14 -Josh_Soref 13:52:35 MC: the BONDI RI implemented a conformance checker 13:52:52 AB: agree that functionality could be useful for Widget developers 13:52:54 s/BONDI RI/BONDI SDK/ 13:53:33 MC: we have some tests for WARP spec 13:53:42 AB: that's great 13:54:03 MC: we updated the template for test suite generation 13:54:09 http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/test-suite/ 13:57:35 MC: we are working on the dig sig tests 13:59:05 AB: re, next call, I think we need Robin 13:59:10 MC: agree 13:59:35 AB: tentatively schedule a call for next week but only if we can get Robin 14:00:04 ... it would be good to get that to Candidate as soon as possible 14:01:49 AB: meeting adjourned 14:01:56 - +1.479.524.aaaa 14:01:58 -Art_Barstow 14:01:58 IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended 14:02:00 Attendees were +1.479.524.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Josh_Soref 14:02:05 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:02:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-minutes.html ArtB 14:02:25 RRSAgent, make log Public 14:02:29 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:02:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-minutes.html ArtB 14:11:42 zakim, bye 14:11:42 Zakim has left #wam 14:16:46 kenneth has joined #wam 14:25:48 ArtB, if it isnt working you can try kenneth@webkit.org 15:40:02 RRSAgent, bye 15:40:02 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-actions.rdf : 15:40:02 ACTION: Marcos notify the I18N Core WG about the I18N test cases and ask them for comments [1] 15:40:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-irc#T13-10-58 15:40:02 ACTION: Marcos create an alternative mechanism for openURL and send it to the mail list [2] 15:40:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-irc#T13-30-50