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13:50:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
13:50:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
13:50:18 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
13:50:18 <trackbot> Date: 05 August 2010
13:50:25 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Aug/0006.html
13:50:29 <manu> Chair: Manu
13:50:55 <manu> Present: Knud, Manu, Shane, Mark
13:53:02 <manu> Regrets: Ivan
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13:58:25 <Zakim> +Knud
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13:58:39 <Knud> am I scribing today?
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13:58:55 <Zakim> +manu
13:59:01 <Zakim> + +44.785.583.aaaa
13:59:09 <Knud> Scribe: Knud
13:59:12 <tinkster> zakim, aaaa is me
13:59:12 <Zakim> +tinkster; got it
13:59:24 <tinkster> zakim,mute me
13:59:24 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
13:59:57 <Knud> I muted my phone
14:00:51 <Knud> :)
14:01:13 <Knud> I'm usually lurking and listening anyway
14:01:43 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
14:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Knud, manu, tinkster (muted)
14:01:53 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
14:01:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck
14:02:46 <tinkster> zakim, unmute me
14:02:46 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
14:03:02 <markbirbeck> Silly of me to waste time trying the London number...
14:03:24 <tinkster> i can hear me echoing back
14:03:25 <Knud> I can hear toby
14:03:29 <manu> hmm
14:03:43 <Zakim> +??P10
14:03:46 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
14:03:46 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
14:03:55 <manu> hmm, my audio isn't working now?
14:03:59 <Knud> no
14:04:02 <manu> I'll dial back in.
14:04:15 <Zakim> +ShaneM
14:05:03 <tinkster> zakim, who's here?
14:05:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Knud, manu, tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM
14:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, manu, Knud
14:05:15 <Zakim> + +8014aabb
14:05:21 <manu> zakim, I am ??bb
14:05:21 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '??bb'
14:05:24 <manu> zakim, I am bb
14:05:24 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named 'bb'
14:05:32 <manu> zakim, aabb is me
14:05:32 <Zakim> +manu; got it
14:05:32 <Knud> yes
14:05:41 <tinkster> everyone's echoing.
14:06:01 <tinkster> zakim, mute me
14:06:01 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
14:06:09 <manu> zakim, who is making noise?
14:06:14 <tinkster> zakim, unmute me
14:06:14 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
14:06:19 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
14:06:19 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
14:06:20 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: manu.a (100%), Knud (57%)
14:06:28 <Knud> zakim, mute me
14:06:28 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
14:07:11 <Knud> no other issues
14:07:13 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
14:07:13 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted
14:07:19 <manu> Topic: ISSUE-31: setMapping API location (on Benjamin)
14:07:24 <Knud> TOPIC: ISSUE-31: setMapping API location
14:07:47 <Knud> setMapping call should either be duplicated or be moved from context to document interface
14:08:00 <manu> document.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1");
14:08:07 <manu> document.data.context.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1");
14:08:51 <Knud> manu: document.setMapping could be an alias to context.setMapping
14:09:28 <markbirbeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Jun/0054.html
14:10:09 <Knud> mark: still open as to how to implement this
14:10:24 <markbirbeck> document.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/");
14:10:24 <markbirbeck>   var people = document.getItemsByType("foaf:Person");
14:10:24 <Knud> ... as long as programmers can get to setMapping via document
14:11:43 <Knud> manu: would like to keep the idea of context
14:12:07 <Knud> ... also, some people might be concerned that we pollute the document interface too much
14:12:20 <markbirbeck> q+
14:12:35 <manu> ack markbirbeck
14:12:38 <Knud> you are there, mark
14:12:47 <tinkster> Is {document.setMapping("foaf","http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/");var people=document.getElementsByType("foaf:Person");} any easier than {var FOAF="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/";var people=document.getElementsByType(FOAF+"Person");} ??
14:12:51 <Zakim> -manu.a
14:13:12 <Zakim> +manu.a
14:13:16 <manu> ack markbirbeck
14:13:49 <markbirbeck> q+
14:14:03 <manu> ack markbirbeck
14:14:58 <Knud> mark: now remembers that we steered clear of putting too much into document interface
14:15:19 <manu> var context = document.data.context;
14:15:34 <manu> context.setMapping("foaf", "http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1")?
14:15:37 <Knud> ... so maybe we should rethink how we give people access to something like setMapping
14:15:40 <manu> so, people would just do that.
14:16:44 <Knud> ... there could also be a context parameter to getElementsByType
14:17:28 <Knud> ... would therefore like to withdraw the suggestion to move setMapping to document
14:18:03 <ShaneM> no objection from me
14:18:08 <Knud> fine
14:18:22 <manu> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-31 and have Mark re-submit an alternative mechanism to make mappings easier to use.
14:18:33 <manu> +1
14:18:34 <Knud> +1
14:18:35 <markbirbeck> +1
14:18:37 <ShaneM> +1
14:18:43 <tinkster> +1
14:18:47 <manu> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-31 and have Mark re-submit an alternative mechanism to make mappings easier to use.
14:19:02 <Knud> TOPIC: ISSUE-30: hasFeature clarifications (on Mark)
14:19:19 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Jun/0053.html
14:19:40 <Knud> Mark: hasFeature already exists in the DOM in other specs
14:20:00 <manu> q+ to discuss RDFa version number
14:20:00 <Knud> ... our use of it should be aligned, e.g., with respect to the version number
14:20:03 <manu> ack manu
14:20:03 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to discuss RDFa version number
14:20:37 <Knud> manu: mostly agrees with proposal, except: we now want to make RDFa versionless
14:20:56 <Knud> ... so, just check if RDFa support is available, not a specific version
14:21:31 <Knud> mark: maybe we should change feature string to "rdfa_api"
14:22:13 <manu> document.hasFeature("rdfa-api 1.1")
14:22:37 <markbirbeck> document.hasFeature("rdfaapi", "1.1")
14:23:03 <manu> document.hasFeature("rdfa-api 1.0")
14:23:20 <manu> oh woops, Mark is correct
14:23:47 <Knud> mark: api version is in sync with RDFa core?
14:23:54 <manu> document.hasFeature("rdfa-api, "1.1")
14:24:56 <manu> So, something like this: document.implementation.hasFeature("rdfa-api, "1.1")
14:25:31 <Knud> mark: we should not say "we provide hasFeature", but instead "when you call hasFeature, this should happen:"
14:25:43 <Knud> ... this is in line with how other specs do it
14:26:30 <tinkster> <script implements="http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-api/">...</script>
14:26:36 <markbirbeck> This is boilerplate text:
14:26:38 <markbirbeck> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/core.html#ID-BBACDC08
14:27:42 <ShaneM> tinkster: yeah, that.  I really wanted that feature.
14:29:17 <manu> PROPOSAL: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "rdfa-api" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.
14:29:25 <tinkster> +1
14:29:28 <ShaneM> +1
14:29:35 <Knud> +1
14:29:40 <markbirbeck> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/introduction.html#ID-Conformance
14:31:10 <markbirbeck> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/feature.html
14:31:12 <manu> RDFaApi
14:33:32 <tinkster> "rdfa-api" could be considered a relative URL reference with base http://www.w3.org/TR/.
14:34:09 <markbirbeck> +1
14:34:24 <Knud> general discussion on what to use as the feature string: URI, camel case, hypen, ...
14:34:36 <Knud> s/hypen/hyphen
14:34:45 <ShaneM> consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
14:35:49 <manu> PROPOSAL: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "RDFaAPI" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.
14:36:13 <ShaneM> +1
14:36:13 <manu> +1
14:36:14 <Knud> +1
14:36:17 <tinkster> +1 (though I'd still prefer 'rdfa-api')
14:37:05 <manu> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/introduction.html#ID-Conformance
14:37:36 <markbirbeck> +1
14:37:44 <manu> RESOLVED: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "RDFaAPI" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.
14:38:09 <Knud> TOPIC: ISSUE-32: TypedLiteralConverter improvements (on Mark)
14:38:15 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Jun/0055.html
14:38:18 <markbirbeck> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#feature-detection
14:38:45 <markbirbeck> RDFa.API
14:40:32 <manu> q+ to point out that we allow functions already.
14:41:12 <Knud> Mark: we should make very clear how callback functions/methods should be implemented
14:41:39 <manu> We already allow callback functions for TypedLiteralConverters: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-dom-api/#idl-def-TypedLiteralConverter
14:42:44 <manu> ack manu
14:42:44 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to point out that we allow functions already.
14:42:58 <Knud> ... also, people might only want to define one callback function for different datatypes, so the callback function should have a parameter to say what it should convert
14:43:25 <Knud> ... finally, we should define how the callback reacts when conversion is not possible (exception, return null, etc.)
14:43:36 <tinkster> first class functions
14:45:25 <Knud> ... for the third point, the parameter should say what the function is converting _to_
14:45:32 <manu> q+ to discuss point 3
14:45:34 <manu> ack manu
14:45:34 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to discuss point 3
14:47:10 <markbirbeck> var converter = function (value) { return new String(value) };
14:47:10 <markbirbeck> document.data.context.registerTypeConverter("xsd:string", converter);
14:47:51 <markbirbeck> document.data.context.registerTypeConverter("xsd:string",
14:47:55 <markbirbeck>   function (value) { return new String(value) }
14:47:55 <Knud> mark: if there is one function per conversion type, then we wouldn't need the extra parameter.
14:47:59 <markbirbeck> );
14:48:23 <Knud> ... when we want to allow one function for all conversion types, then we need an extra parameter
14:48:46 <tinkster> http://esw.pastebin.com/m9CXB8qh
14:50:37 <manu> PROPOSAL: Add a parameter to convertType() that indacates the type that is being converted.
14:50:44 <Knud> converted to
14:50:56 <markbirbeck> +
14:51:00 <tinkster> +0
14:51:03 <markbirbeck> +1
14:51:14 <Knud> +1
14:51:17 <markbirbeck> s/indacates/indicates/
14:51:27 <ShaneM> abstain - I don't grok the issue
14:51:36 <manu> +1
14:52:19 <manu> RESOLVED: Add a parameter to convertType() that indicates the type that is being converted.
14:52:44 <Knud> we are resolving this issue with a string of different proposals
14:53:33 <markbirbeck> "23 elephants"^^xsd:integer
14:53:41 <Knud> Sub-Topic: ISSUE32, point 2
14:54:00 <tinkster> q+
14:54:49 <manu> ack tinkster
14:56:56 <markbirbeck> "23 blah"^^my:foo
14:57:45 <Knud> (I'm a bit lost about scribing at the moment)
14:58:26 <manu> q+ to end the call.
15:00:41 <manu> ack manu
15:00:41 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to end the call.
15:00:55 <Zakim> -tinkster
15:00:57 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
15:00:59 <Zakim> -Knud
15:01:04 <Zakim> -manu.a
15:01:06 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:01:11 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
15:01:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see manu
15:01:17 <manu> zakim, drop manu
15:01:17 <Zakim> manu is being disconnected
15:01:18 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
15:01:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Knud, manu, +44.785.583.aaaa, tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM, +8014aabb
15:01:50 <Knud> manu, will you wrap the minutes up in the right format?
15:01:57 <manu> yup :)
15:02:01 <manu> Thanks for scribing Knud :)
15:02:02 <Knud> brilliant, thanks!
15:02:21 <Knud> no problem
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