IRC log of rdfa on 2010-08-05

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Zakim, this will be 7332
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ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 05 August 2010
13:50:25 [manu]
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Chair: Manu
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Present: Knud, Manu, Shane, Mark
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Regrets: Ivan
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SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
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13:58:39 [Knud]
am I scribing today?
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+ +44.785.583.aaaa
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Scribe: Knud
13:59:12 [tinkster]
zakim, aaaa is me
13:59:12 [Zakim]
+tinkster; got it
13:59:24 [tinkster]
zakim,mute me
13:59:24 [Zakim]
tinkster should now be muted
13:59:57 [Knud]
I muted my phone
14:00:51 [Knud]
14:01:13 [Knud]
I'm usually lurking and listening anyway
14:01:43 [manu]
zakim, who is on the call?
14:01:43 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Knud, manu, tinkster (muted)
14:01:53 [markbirbeck]
zakim, code?
14:01:53 [Zakim]
the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck
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zakim, unmute me
14:02:46 [Zakim]
tinkster should no longer be muted
14:03:02 [markbirbeck]
Silly of me to waste time trying the London number...
14:03:24 [tinkster]
i can hear me echoing back
14:03:25 [Knud]
I can hear toby
14:03:29 [manu]
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14:03:46 [markbirbeck]
zakim, i am ?
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+markbirbeck; got it
14:03:55 [manu]
hmm, my audio isn't working now?
14:03:59 [Knud]
14:04:02 [manu]
I'll dial back in.
14:04:15 [Zakim]
14:05:03 [tinkster]
zakim, who's here?
14:05:03 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Knud, manu, tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM
14:05:05 [Zakim]
On IRC I see tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, manu, Knud
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+ +8014aabb
14:05:21 [manu]
zakim, I am ??bb
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sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '??bb'
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zakim, I am bb
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sorry, manu, I do not see a party named 'bb'
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zakim, aabb is me
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+manu; got it
14:05:32 [Knud]
14:05:41 [tinkster]
everyone's echoing.
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zakim, mute me
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tinkster should now be muted
14:06:09 [manu]
zakim, who is making noise?
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zakim, unmute me
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tinkster should no longer be muted
14:06:19 [markbirbeck]
zakim, mute me
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markbirbeck should now be muted
14:06:20 [Zakim]
manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: manu.a (100%), Knud (57%)
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zakim, mute me
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Knud should now be muted
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no other issues
14:07:13 [markbirbeck]
zakim, unmute me
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markbirbeck should no longer be muted
14:07:19 [manu]
Topic: ISSUE-31: setMapping API location (on Benjamin)
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TOPIC: ISSUE-31: setMapping API location
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setMapping call should either be duplicated or be moved from context to document interface
14:08:00 [manu]
document.setMapping("foaf", "");
14:08:07 [manu]"foaf", "");
14:08:51 [Knud]
manu: document.setMapping could be an alias to context.setMapping
14:09:28 [markbirbeck]
14:10:09 [Knud]
mark: still open as to how to implement this
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document.setMapping("foaf", "");
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var people = document.getItemsByType("foaf:Person");
14:10:24 [Knud]
... as long as programmers can get to setMapping via document
14:11:43 [Knud]
manu: would like to keep the idea of context
14:12:07 [Knud]
... also, some people might be concerned that we pollute the document interface too much
14:12:20 [markbirbeck]
14:12:35 [manu]
ack markbirbeck
14:12:38 [Knud]
you are there, mark
14:12:47 [tinkster]
Is {document.setMapping("foaf","">");var people=document.getElementsByType("foaf:Person");} any easier than {var FOAF="";var people=document.getElementsByType(FOAF+"Person");} ??
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14:13:16 [manu]
ack markbirbeck
14:13:49 [markbirbeck]
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ack markbirbeck
14:14:58 [Knud]
mark: now remembers that we steered clear of putting too much into document interface
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var context =;
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context.setMapping("foaf", "")?
14:15:37 [Knud]
... so maybe we should rethink how we give people access to something like setMapping
14:15:40 [manu]
so, people would just do that.
14:16:44 [Knud]
... there could also be a context parameter to getElementsByType
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... would therefore like to withdraw the suggestion to move setMapping to document
14:18:03 [ShaneM]
no objection from me
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14:18:22 [manu]
PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-31 and have Mark re-submit an alternative mechanism to make mappings easier to use.
14:18:33 [manu]
14:18:34 [Knud]
14:18:35 [markbirbeck]
14:18:37 [ShaneM]
14:18:43 [tinkster]
14:18:47 [manu]
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-31 and have Mark re-submit an alternative mechanism to make mappings easier to use.
14:19:02 [Knud]
TOPIC: ISSUE-30: hasFeature clarifications (on Mark)
14:19:19 [manu]
14:19:40 [Knud]
Mark: hasFeature already exists in the DOM in other specs
14:20:00 [manu]
q+ to discuss RDFa version number
14:20:00 [Knud]
... our use of it should be aligned, e.g., with respect to the version number
14:20:03 [manu]
ack manu
14:20:03 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to discuss RDFa version number
14:20:37 [Knud]
manu: mostly agrees with proposal, except: we now want to make RDFa versionless
14:20:56 [Knud]
... so, just check if RDFa support is available, not a specific version
14:21:31 [Knud]
mark: maybe we should change feature string to "rdfa_api"
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document.hasFeature("rdfa-api 1.1")
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document.hasFeature("rdfaapi", "1.1")
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document.hasFeature("rdfa-api 1.0")
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oh woops, Mark is correct
14:23:47 [Knud]
mark: api version is in sync with RDFa core?
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document.hasFeature("rdfa-api, "1.1")
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So, something like this: document.implementation.hasFeature("rdfa-api, "1.1")
14:25:31 [Knud]
mark: we should not say "we provide hasFeature", but instead "when you call hasFeature, this should happen:"
14:25:43 [Knud]
... this is in line with how other specs do it
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<script implements="">...</script>
14:26:36 [markbirbeck]
This is boilerplate text:
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14:27:42 [ShaneM]
tinkster: yeah, that. I really wanted that feature.
14:29:17 [manu]
PROPOSAL: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "rdfa-api" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.
14:29:25 [tinkster]
14:29:28 [ShaneM]
14:29:35 [Knud]
14:29:40 [markbirbeck]
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14:31:12 [manu]
14:33:32 [tinkster]
"rdfa-api" could be considered a relative URL reference with base
14:34:09 [markbirbeck]
14:34:24 [Knud]
general discussion on what to use as the feature string: URI, camel case, hypen, ...
14:34:36 [Knud]
14:34:45 [ShaneM]
consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
14:35:49 [manu]
PROPOSAL: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "RDFaAPI" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.
14:36:13 [ShaneM]
14:36:13 [manu]
14:36:14 [Knud]
14:36:17 [tinkster]
+1 (though I'd still prefer 'rdfa-api')
14:37:05 [manu]
14:37:36 [markbirbeck]
14:37:44 [manu]
RESOLVED: Bring hasFeature() in line with the DOMImplementation interface, use "RDFaAPI" as the feature string, and "1.1" as the version.
14:38:09 [Knud]
TOPIC: ISSUE-32: TypedLiteralConverter improvements (on Mark)
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14:38:18 [markbirbeck]
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14:40:32 [manu]
q+ to point out that we allow functions already.
14:41:12 [Knud]
Mark: we should make very clear how callback functions/methods should be implemented
14:41:39 [manu]
We already allow callback functions for TypedLiteralConverters:
14:42:44 [manu]
ack manu
14:42:44 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to point out that we allow functions already.
14:42:58 [Knud]
... also, people might only want to define one callback function for different datatypes, so the callback function should have a parameter to say what it should convert
14:43:25 [Knud]
... finally, we should define how the callback reacts when conversion is not possible (exception, return null, etc.)
14:43:36 [tinkster]
first class functions
14:45:25 [Knud]
... for the third point, the parameter should say what the function is converting _to_
14:45:32 [manu]
q+ to discuss point 3
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ack manu
14:45:34 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to discuss point 3
14:47:10 [markbirbeck]
var converter = function (value) { return new String(value) };
14:47:10 [markbirbeck]"xsd:string", converter);
14:47:51 [markbirbeck]"xsd:string",
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function (value) { return new String(value) }
14:47:55 [Knud]
mark: if there is one function per conversion type, then we wouldn't need the extra parameter.
14:47:59 [markbirbeck]
14:48:23 [Knud]
... when we want to allow one function for all conversion types, then we need an extra parameter
14:48:46 [tinkster]
14:50:37 [manu]
PROPOSAL: Add a parameter to convertType() that indacates the type that is being converted.
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converted to
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14:51:00 [tinkster]
14:51:03 [markbirbeck]
14:51:14 [Knud]
14:51:17 [markbirbeck]
14:51:27 [ShaneM]
abstain - I don't grok the issue
14:51:36 [manu]
14:52:19 [manu]
RESOLVED: Add a parameter to convertType() that indicates the type that is being converted.
14:52:44 [Knud]
we are resolving this issue with a string of different proposals
14:53:33 [markbirbeck]
"23 elephants"^^xsd:integer
14:53:41 [Knud]
Sub-Topic: ISSUE32, point 2
14:54:00 [tinkster]
14:54:49 [manu]
ack tinkster
14:56:56 [markbirbeck]
"23 blah"^^my:foo
14:57:45 [Knud]
(I'm a bit lost about scribing at the moment)
14:58:26 [manu]
q+ to end the call.
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ack manu
15:00:41 [Zakim]
manu, you wanted to end the call.
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15:01:11 [manu]
zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see manu
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zakim, drop manu
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manu is being disconnected
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SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Knud, manu, +44.785.583.aaaa, tinkster, markbirbeck, ShaneM, +8014aabb
15:01:50 [Knud]
manu, will you wrap the minutes up in the right format?
15:01:57 [manu]
yup :)
15:02:01 [manu]
Thanks for scribing Knud :)
15:02:02 [Knud]
brilliant, thanks!
15:02:21 [Knud]
no problem
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trackbot, bye
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zakim, bye
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