IRC log of ua on 2010-08-02

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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 02 August 2010
15:51:57 [jeanne]
Meeting: UAWG Writers' Group
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chair: jim, kelly
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scribe: jeanne
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+AllanJ
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zakim, jeanne has Kim
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sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'jeanne'
16:00:27 [jeanne]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see MIT262, AllanJ
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, jeanne, AllanJ, trackbot
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zakim, MIT262 has jeanne, kim
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+jeanne, kim; got it
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+[Microsoft]
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-MIT262
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see AllanJ, [Microsoft]
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, jeanne, AllanJ, trackbot
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Hey all. Kind of funky.
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16:37:40 [jeanne]
Comments recieved from EOWG
16:37:49 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2010Jul/0000.html
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Topic: EOWG Comments on Working Draft
16:38:18 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2010Jul/0000.html
16:46:40 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100802/
16:48:05 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100802/MasterUAAG20100802.html
16:53:08 [AllanJ]
zakim, mute me
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AllanJ should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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AllanJ should no longer be muted
17:18:12 [jeanne]
jim, KIm and I are talking about adding references to the operating system accessibility guides. Does that fit in with what you are doing?
17:22:08 [AllanJ]
yes.
17:22:39 [AllanJ]
here is the list for accessibility tools (high contrast, etc) and APIs
17:22:44 [AllanJ]
Related Resources for Success Criterion 1.1.1:
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/accessibility/default.mspx
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http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
17:22:49 [AllanJ]
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Accessibility-HOWTO/linuxos.html
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http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2
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http://developer.apple.com/ue/accessibility/
17:22:54 [AllanJ]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd373592%28VS.85%29.aspx
17:22:56 [AllanJ]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee815673.aspx
17:52:08 [kford]
How are folks doing on time?
17:57:37 [jeanne]
[writing assignments]
18:00:20 [jeanne]
topic: 1.1.1
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Intent of Success Criterion 1.1.1:
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The user should be able to easily discover detailed information about the user agent’s adherence to accessibility standards of the operating environment or adherence to external accessibility requirements without installing and testing the accessibility features.
18:00:40 [AllanJ]
Examples of Success Criterion 1.1.1 :
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User agent X lists the platform accessibility tools (high contrast, show sounds, sticky keys, etc) supported. Additionally, the user agent lists all of the platform accessibility APIs or other APIs that are supported.
18:00:43 [AllanJ]
“Google Chrome supports the Windows Accessibility API (MSAA) to display accessibility information and events for its features and web content. http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=96831”
18:00:44 [AllanJ]
Related Resources for Success Criterion 1.1.1:
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/accessibility/default.mspx
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http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
18:00:50 [AllanJ]
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Accessibility-HOWTO/linuxos.html
18:00:52 [AllanJ]
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2
18:00:54 [AllanJ]
http://developer.apple.com/ue/accessibility/
18:00:56 [AllanJ]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd373592%28VS.85%29.aspx
18:00:58 [AllanJ]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee815673.aspx
18:02:06 [AllanJ]
1.1.1Non-Web-Based Accessible (Level A): Non-Web-based user agent user interfaces comply with and cite the "Level A" requirements of standards or operating environment conventions that benefit accessibility. The "Level A" requirements are those that are functionally equivalent to WCAG Level A success criteria. (Level A)
18:09:54 [AllanJ]
1.2, 1.2, 1.3 seems to over lap with 5.3
18:10:34 [AllanJ]
there is an existing proposal to renumber GL1. Also to move GL 1 to some other place in the document
18:12:27 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100802/MasterUAAG20100802.html
18:13:15 [greg]
The user should be able to easily discover detailed information about the user agent’s adherence to accessibility standards of the operating environment or adherence to external accessibility requirements, and should be able to do so without installing and testing the accessibility features.
18:16:16 [kford]
http://www.ddplus.com/index.php?module=modRDS&op=menu&category=&subcategory=&restaurant=90
18:16:43 [AllanJ]
discussion of combining 1.1 and 1.2 with 1.3 ... need to put on a survey
18:17:10 [AllanJ]
also, discussion of moving relevant parts of GL 1 to 5.3
18:19:37 [kford]
we just lost you.
18:19:41 [jeanne]
We lost you..
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No video or sound from Microsoft.
18:20:09 [kford]
We areinvestigating.
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We areinvestigating.
18:20:43 [jeanne]
want us to call you?
18:21:07 [kford]
hold on, we going to try calling again
18:25:34 [jeanne]
survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/
18:46:43 [greg]
Suggest in 3.1.3 changing "Implement and cite in the conformance claim the accessibility features of a technology specification." to end with "of content and platform technology specifications".
18:51:49 [greg]
"The user should be able to easily discover detailed information about the user agent’s adherence to accessibility standards, including those related to content such as HTML and WAI-ARIA, platform standards such as MSAA or JAA, and third-party standards such as ISO 9241-171."
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1.4.1 Follow Specifications: Render content according to the technology specification. This includes any accessibility features of the technology (see Guideline 1.3). (Level A)
19:00:38 [jeanne]
topic: 1.4.1 & 2
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1.4.1 Follow Specifications: Render content according to the technology specification. This includes any accessibility features of the technology (see Guideline 1.3). (Level A)
19:01:05 [greg]
Intent of Success Criterion 1.4.1:
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•End users and assistive technology products assume that content will be rendered in a predictable fashion. This success criterion ensures that user agents provide this level of predictability.
19:01:26 [greg]
•Note: It may be necessary to ignore aspects of the technology specification where they would actually harm, rather than improve, overall accessibility. In these cases user agent developers are encouraged to deviate from those aspects of the standard, and document the decision in their conformance claim. For example, the CSS spec says generated content should not appear in the DOM, so it's...
19:01:28 [greg]
...not exposed to assistive technology and cannot be made accessible to blind users.
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* Examples of Success Criterion 1.4.1:
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•A user agent implements the WAI-ARIA (Accessible Rich Internet Applications) standard, and the developer follows the "Implementing ARIA" document by mapping ARIA roles and events to the supported platform accessibility infrastructure (MSAA, UIA, ____, etc.). This allows a screen reader that supports the platform infrastructure to correctly support ARIA in the user agent.
19:01:44 [greg]
•An organization creates an optional style sheet that enlarges fonts and adapts all colors for maximum contrast. They can be confident that when their Web site uses this style sheet it will work with any browser because those browsers have implemented CSS according to the CSS specification.
19:06:35 [greg]
For example, the CSS spec says generated content should not appear in the DOM. That would mean that generated content would not be exposed to assistive technology, and could not be made accessible to blind users, so user agents should instead expose the generated content through the DOM, and document their decision to ignore that aspect of the specification.
19:08:30 [greg]
For example, the CSS spec says generated content should not appear in the DOM, which may mean that generated content would not be exposed to assistive technology and thus may not be accessible to blind users. Therefore user agents should instead expose the generated content through the DOM, and document their decision to ignore that aspect of the specification.
19:09:10 [greg]
For example, the CSS spec says generated content should not appear in the DOM, which may mean that generated content would not be exposed to assistive technology and thus may not be accessible to blind users. User agents should instead expose the generated content through the DOM, and document their decision to ignore that aspect of the specification.
19:11:17 [AllanJ]
www.w3.org/TR/css3-animations/
19:11:26 [AllanJ]
www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/
19:11:42 [greg]
1.4.2 Handle Unrendered Technologies: If the user agent does not render a technology, it allows the user to choose a way to handle content in that technology (e.g., by launching another application or by saving it to disk). (Level A)
19:14:13 [AllanJ]
www.w3.org/TR/css3-content/ - generated content is discussed here
19:16:43 [AllanJ]
kf: may need a new SC
19:16:47 [greg]
* Intent of Success Criterion 1.4.2:
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•Users who have disabilities may have fewer options in terms of how they access the information. Information is made available in a variety of fashions on the Internet, and at times a specific format may be the only way in which information is available. If the user agent cannot render that format it needs to let the user access that content through alternate means, such as invoking a...
19:16:50 [greg]
...third-party renderer or saving the file to the user's hard drive.
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* Examples of Success Criterion 1.4.2 :
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•Tracy has low vision and finds it much more convenient to access her bank statement electronically than on paper, even though the electronic version is in a TIFF image, a format that her browser cannot render. In this case, the browser lets her save the image to her hard drive so she can open it in another program.
19:17:42 [AllanJ]
new SC if the browser does render something but does not do a good job of it
19:20:33 [greg]
The new SC Kelly was referring to was the idea that everything we say about providing alternative access to unsupported file types ALSO applies equally well to file types that are supported by the browser but not in a very accessible fashion. For example, the browser may support the VIDEO tag but add inaccessible play and pause controls, or a limited set of controls that don't include...
19:20:34 [greg]
...advanced navigation options. In that case the user should have the ability to play the video in a third-party player that provides better or more sophisticated controls.
19:21:45 [greg]
That would not require the browser to hose the third-party player, as it could launch the third-party application as a separate process and window, etc.
19:22:17 [jeanne]
s/hose/host
19:22:49 [kford]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-ua-minutes.html kford
19:23:19 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-ua-minutes.html jeanne
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rrsagent, make logs public
19:25:45 [jeanne]
present+ Jim, Greg, Kelly, Kim, Jeanne
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-ua-minutes.html jeanne
19:42:11 [AllanJ]
topic: Guideline 1.2 Ensure that Web-based functionality is accessible. [Implementing 1.2]
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1.2.1 Web-Based Accessible (Level A): User agent user interfaces that are rendered using Web standard technologies conform to WCAG Level "A". (Level A)
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•Intent of Success Criterion 1.2.1:
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Media players, other page elements that use the <object> or <embed> tags function as user agents independent of the hosting user agent. In compound documents, each separate part of the code (mathml, svg, etc), may function independently (including have a separate Document Object Model) of the hosting user agent. As such, the non-html code may have a unique parser. The parsed information may...
19:42:17 [AllanJ]
...or may not be passed to the hosting user agent or the platform accessibility APIs. The user should be able to easily discover detailed information about the user agent’s adherence to accessibility standards of the hosting operating environment or adherence to external accessibility requirements without installing and testing the accessibility features.
19:42:19 [AllanJ]
•Examples of Success Criterion 1.2.1 :
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Media player X lists the features of the platform accessibility tools (high contrast, show sounds, sticky keys, etc) supported within the embedded environment. Additionally, the user agent lists all of the platform accessibility APIs or other APIs that are supported.
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•Related Resources for Success Criterion 1.2.1:
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http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/flashplayer/overview.html
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http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/compliance/#flashplayer10
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http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/compliance/
19:42:33 [AllanJ]
http://webaim.org/techniques/captions/mediaplayers/
19:42:35 [AllanJ]
http://www.w3.org/2004/CDF/
19:42:46 [AllanJ]
the above is for all of SC 1.2
20:07:42 [greg]
First draft:
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1.4.3 Alternative content handlers: The user has the ability to select content elements and have them rendered in alternative viewers.
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Intent:
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When accessing media content on the Web, users with disabilities sometimes find they have a richer or more accessible experience in a third-party application than using their browser's build-in facilities. In these cases they want to be able to navigate to content in their browser, then save that content to their disk or launch it in a third-party application.
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Example:
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A browser support the VIDEO tag and adds its own play and pause controls, but the user prefers to view the video content in a third-party application that provides much more sophisticated navigation controls such as bookmarks, skip-forward and backwards, and the ability to speed playback without increasing pitch of the audio track.
20:13:18 [greg]
A browser support the VIDEO tag and adds its own play and pause controls, but George prefers to view the video content in a third-party application that provides much more sophisticated navigation controls such as bookmarks, skip-forward and backwards, and the ability to speed playback without increasing pitch of the audio track. In the browser, he right-clicks on the video to display a...
20:13:20 [greg]
...context menu, and from that chooses "Open in…", and then chooses his preferred video player. The browser saves the video to a temporary location on the user's disks, then launches the player to show that file.
20:14:36 [greg]
Or: A browser support the VIDEO tag and adds its own play and pause controls, but George prefers to view the video content in a third-party application that provides much more sophisticated navigation controls such as bookmarks, skip-forward and backwards, and the ability to speed playback without increasing pitch of the audio track. In the browser, he right-clicks on the video to display a...
20:14:38 [greg]
...context menu, and from that chooses "Open in…", and then chooses his preferred video player. The browser launches the player to show that video file in the browser's cache folder.
20:17:53 [greg]
The browser saves the video to a temporary location on the user's disks (or uses one already in its cache folder), then launches the player to show that file.
20:19:32 [greg]
In the case of streaming video that cannot be saved to disk, the browser launches the external viewer passing it the URL to the online video.
20:20:41 [jeanne]
Jim is working on 3.1.3
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3.1.3 Browse and Render: The user can browse the alternatives, switch between them, and render them according to the following (Level A):
20:20:43 [AllanJ]
a.synchronized alternatives for time-based media (e.g., captions, audio descriptions, sign language) can be rendered at the same time as their associated audio tracks and visual tracks, and
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b.non-synchronized alternatives (e.g., short text alternatives, long descriptions) can be rendered as replacements for the original rendered content.
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a.Intent of Success Criterion 3.1.3:
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a.There are times when a user cannot gain meaningful information from a time-based media element. The author may have provided synchronized alternatives for the media. The user should be able to easily discover the synchronized alternatives provided, and have them render synchronously with the default media.
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b.There are times when a user cannot gain meaningful information from a non-time-based media element (images, charts, graphs, etc.). The author may have provided alternatives for this. The user should be able to easily discover the alternatives provided, and have them render in place of the default media.
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b.Examples of Success Criterion 3.1.3:
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a.Sam is deaf. He is watching a video on a web page. He cannot hear the audio. The author has provided captions for the video. The user agent detecting that captions exist, makes the caption button visible. The caption button toggles the captions on/off.
20:20:58 [AllanJ]
Sue is blind. She is watching a video on a web page. She cannot see the action on the screen. The author has provided audio-descriptions for the video. The user agent detecting that audio-descriptions exist, makes the AD button visible. The button toggles the audio-descriptions on/off.
20:21:01 [AllanJ]
b.Mary has a learning disability. She is reading a page with many images. The images are distracting. Mary is able to turn the images off, and reveal the alternative text (@alt) that the author provided. The alternative text is rendered in place of the images. Mary has the option of having the size of the image remain same or fit the size of the text.
20:21:04 [jeanne]
Topic 3.1.3
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Some of the images are graphs. She cannot make sense of the graphs. The author has provided long descriptions for the graphs. Sue toggles the long-discription feature. The browser detects the presence of valid @long-descriptions and renders an actionable icon inline after an image. Mary can click on the icon, opening the long-description for that particular graph.
20:21:14 [AllanJ]
3.1.3 Browse and Render: The user can browse the alternatives, switch between them, and render them according to the following (Level A):
20:21:15 [AllanJ]
a.synchronized alternatives for time-based media (e.g., captions, audio descriptions, sign language) can be rendered at the same time as their associated audio tracks and visual tracks, and
20:21:18 [AllanJ]
b.non-synchronized alternatives (e.g., short text alternatives, long descriptions) can be rendered as replacements for the original rendered content.
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a.Intent of Success Criterion 3.1.3:
20:21:22 [AllanJ]
a.There are times when a user cannot gain meaningful information from a time-based media element. The author may have provided synchronized alternatives for the media. The user should be able to easily discover the synchronized alternatives provided, and have them render synchronously with the default media.
20:21:23 [kford]
we lost Bos
20:21:27 [AllanJ]
b.There are times when a user cannot gain meaningful information from a non-time-based media element (images, charts, graphs, etc.). The author may have provided alternatives for this. The user should be able to easily discover the alternatives provided, and have them render in place of the default media.
20:21:28 [jeanne]
see above for text
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b.Examples of Success Criterion 3.1.3:
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a.Sam is deaf. He is watching a video on a web page. He cannot hear the audio. The author has provided captions for the video. The user agent detecting that captions exist, makes the caption button visible. The caption button toggles the captions on/off.
20:21:37 [AllanJ]
Sue is blind. She is watching a video on a web page. She cannot see the action on the screen. The author has provided audio-descriptions for the video. The user agent detecting that audio-descriptions exist, makes the AD button visible. The button toggles the audio-descriptions on/off.
20:21:41 [AllanJ]
b.Mary has a learning disability. She is reading a page with many images. The images are distracting. Mary is able to turn the images off, and reveal the alternative text (@alt) that the author provided. The alternative text is rendered in place of the images. Mary has the option of having the size of the image remain same or fit the size of the text.
20:21:47 [AllanJ]
Some of the images are graphs. She cannot make sense of the graphs. The author has provided long descriptions for the graphs. Sue toggles the long-discription feature. The browser detects the presence of valid @long-descriptions and renders an actionable icon inline after an image. Mary can click on the icon, opening the long-description for that particular graph.
20:21:51 [AllanJ]
note 1.4.3 above is a new SC.
20:23:22 [AllanJ]
kp: 1.4.3 should be level A
20:24:03 [AllanJ]
kf:it may be easy. worried about too many level A itmes
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s/itmes/items
20:25:43 [AllanJ]
consensus of group is AA
20:25:54 [AllanJ]
... for new 1.4.3
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gl: for technologies that the ua does not support, it must provide a way for the user to render using other means.
20:27:21 [AllanJ]
... fortechnologies that the ua does support, it may provide a way for the user to render using other means.
20:27:38 [greg]
1.4.3 Alternative handlers for rendered technologies: The user has the ability to select content elements and have them rendered in alternative viewers. (AA)
20:27:50 [AllanJ]
s/fortechnologies/for technologies
20:28:56 [greg]
I guess we'll stick with "1.4.3 Alternative content handlers"
21:01:02 [jeanne]
Topic: 3.11
21:02:25 [AllanJ]
focus definitions: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/DefinitionOfFocus/results
21:03:01 [jeanne]
Question: Since the SC are so familiar and the intent is similar, how should we approach it? Repeat the same paragraph each time, or put the paragraph in once and link to it?
21:03:24 [jeanne]
consensus: link to it. Call it the general intent.
21:03:27 [AllanJ]
focus stuff happened between 4/8/10 and 4/21/a0
21:05:57 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-ua-minutes.html jeanne
21:06:54 [jeanne]
GL: The focus definition needs indenting to make it easier to read.
21:08:03 [jeanne]
KP: 3.11.1 is supposed to be input focus.
21:08:23 [jeanne]
GL: I think it means keyboard input focus.
21:16:48 [greg]
* Input focus (active/inactive)
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o Keyboard focus (active/inactive)
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+ Cursor (active/inactive) “Visual indicator showing where keyboard input will occur”
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# Focus cursor (active/inactive)
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# Text cursor (active/inactive)
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o Pointing device focus (active/inactive)
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+ Pointer
21:18:02 [AllanJ]
Jeanne +1
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Kelly +1
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Gregg +1
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Kim +1
21:18:28 [jeanne]
Jim +1
21:44:38 [jeanne]
Topic: 3.11
21:45:08 [kford]
3.11.1 Content Focus: At least one content focus is provided for each viewport (including frames), where enabled elements are part of the rendered content. (Level A)
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Example:
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A user launches a web browser and navigates to a web page. The user starts pressing the tab key and focus begins moving through the links on the webpage.
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3.11.2s
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3.11.2 skipped
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3.11.3 User Interface Focus: A user interface focus is provided. (Level A)
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Example:
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A user agent has several menus, toolbars and other controls. As the user presses a key to move to each item on one of the toolbars, the fact that this toolbar item is the active control is made clear through a focus rectangle. When the user switches to a menu, highlighting indicates the active menu element.
21:46:28 [kford]
3.11.4 Extensions Focusable: The user interface focus can navigate within extensions to the user interface. (Level A)
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Example:
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A developer creates an extension to a user agent that allows the user to add notes about each web page being visited. A user can press a key to move focus to the user interface of this extension and interact with the funtionality offered by the extension. Similarly, the user presses another key to move focus back to the main viewpoert forthe user agent.
21:46:34 [kford]
3.11.5 Hand-Off Focus: The user agent programmatically notifies any nested user agent(s) (e.g., plug-ins) when focus moves to them. (Level A)
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Example:
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A browser plug-in is installed to play a popular media format. When the user tabs to the controls for the plug-in, the user agent notifies the plug-in to handle keyboard interaction.
21:47:11 [kford]
That's all forme.
21:47:48 [AllanJ]
topic: 3.1.4 Rendering Alternative (Enhanced): Provide the user with the global option to configure a cascade of types of alternatives to render by default, in case a preferred type is unavailable. If the alternative content has a different height or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. (Level AA)
21:47:49 [AllanJ]
•Intent of Success Criterion 3.1.4:
21:47:51 [AllanJ]
For a give piece of non-text content the author may have provide one or several alternatives. For example, an image may have different versions based on resolution, ‘alt text’ (@alt) or a link to a long description (@longdesc). A video may have bandwidth alternatives, caption files in different languages, audio descriptions in different languages. There may be others. The user is able to...
21:47:52 [AllanJ]
...choose which item(s) to render by default, and specify the order of the cascade of alternatives to be rendered if the author did not provide a type of alternative.
21:47:54 [AllanJ]
•Examples of Success Criterion 3.1.4:
21:47:55 [AllanJ]
Mary has a learning disability. She finds looking at images on a webpage very distracting. Mary would like to see all images rendered in the following order. First, for images with long descriptions have the long description rendered in place of the image. If the long description does not exit, she wants the ‘alt text’ to be rendered. If neither is available, Mary wants the file name...
21:48:00 [AllanJ]
...rendered.
21:48:02 [AllanJ]
Added functionality would allow Mary to right click (context menu) on an image to list and select the rendering of the available alternatives (thumbnail, original size, full screen, low resolution, high resolution, alt text, long description, file name)
21:48:06 [AllanJ]
@@where do we put the ability for the user to individually pick an image and have the image displayed. It should not have to be an all or nothing.
21:48:09 [AllanJ]
Juan is hard of hearing. He wants to always see video on the page. Also, Juan would like the Spanish language track used if available, along with Spanish captions as a default. If these are not available, he wants to see the video with English audio and captions. If no captions are available Juan wants the the video and English audio.
21:48:13 [AllanJ]
Added functionality would allow Juan to right click (context menu) on an video to list and select the rendering of the available alternatives (still image, caption languages, audio languages, audio-description languages)
21:49:22 [greg]
Topic: 3.11 Additions
21:49:30 [greg]
General Intent of Guideline 3.11:
21:49:32 [greg]
Understanding and controlling focus is key to successful interaction with a user agent and its content. The overall purpose of Guideline 3.11 is to ensure that the user can reliably identify the focus location, and use it to navigate through and manipulate both the content and user interfaces of the user agent, its plug-ins and extensions.
21:49:48 [greg]
3.11.1 Content Focus: At least one cursor is provided for each viewport (including frames), where enabled elements are part of the rendered content. (Level A)
21:49:50 [greg]
Intent:
21:49:51 [greg]
•Users need to be able to tell where the keyboard focus is in order to navigate or manipulate content; without it, a user cannot be sure what effect their next keystroke will have. Cursors are the visual indication of this location, and their locations are also conveyed to assistive technology for users not relying on sight (see success criterion _._._). When the sighted user expects a...
21:49:53 [greg]
...cursor and does not see one, they can assume that it's in a portion of the content that has scrolled outside the visible portion of the viewport.
21:59:43 [jeanne]
Topic:3.1.3.1
22:00:02 [jeanne]
Topic: 3.13.1
22:00:39 [Kim]
3.13.1 Users who use screen readers need to be able to easily discover information about a link in order to properly navigate Web content.
22:00:41 [Kim]
Example:
22:00:42 [Kim]
Robert, who uses a screen reader, needs to know whether a given link will automatically open in a new page. The browser indicates this information so he can discover it before he makes a decision to click on a link.
22:00:44 [Kim]
3.13 Users who use screen readers need to be able to easily discover information about a link, including the title of the link, whether or not that link is a webpage, PDF etc. and whether the link goes to a new page or a different location in the current page, in order to navigate Web content more quickly and easily.
22:00:46 [Kim]
Example:
22:00:47 [Kim]
Robert, who uses a screen reader, needs to know whether a given link will open a new page or jump to a different place on the same page. The browser indicates this information so he can discover it before he makes a decision to click on a link.
22:03:33 [jeanne]
action: Jeanne to copy proposals 3.1.4, 3.11 general intent, 3.11.1 specific intent, 3.11.1,4 & 5 Examples, and 3.13.1 from minutes of 02-08-2010. Put in the Guidelines Master and the Survey for 5 August.
22:03:33 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-418 - Copy proposals 3.1.4, 3.11 general intent, 3.11.1 specific intent, 3.11.1,4 & 5 Examples, and 3.13.1 from minutes of 02-08-2010. Put in the Guidelines Master and the Survey for 5 August. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-08-09].
22:03:46 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-ua-minutes.html jeanne
22:09:33 [Zakim]
-AllanJ
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-[Microsoft]
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WAI_UAWG(WGroup)12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were AllanJ, jeanne, kim, [Microsoft]
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