IRC log of mw4d on 2010-08-02

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11:50:15 [Steph]
Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly Call
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Jul/0040.html
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11:58:18 [Steph]
zakim, code ?
11:58:18 [Zakim]
sorry, Steph, I don't know what conference this is
11:58:30 [Steph]
zakim, this will be mw4d
11:58:30 [Zakim]
ok, Steph, I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
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zakim, code ?
11:58:40 [Zakim]
the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steph
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Regrets: Raphael, Max
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Present: steph
11:59:31 [Steph]
zakim, who is here ?
11:59:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +44.238.059.aaaa
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On IRC I see betty, christellescharff, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steph, Adesina, maxf
11:59:39 [Zakim]
+ +666742aabb
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+??P2
12:00:04 [Steph]
zakim, ??P2 is Stephane
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+Stephane; got it
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zakim, aabb is Christelle
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+Christelle; got it
12:00:34 [Steph]
zakim, aaaa is Betty
12:00:34 [Zakim]
+Betty; got it
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12:00:41 [Steph]
Present+Christelle
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Present+Betty
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+[IPcaller]
12:04:18 [Steph]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Stephanie
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+Stephanie; got it
12:05:57 [Steph]
http://www.w3.org/2010/07/05-mw4d-minutes.html
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Topic: Introduction
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betty: betty purwandari
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from indonesia, now in southampton for phd
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developing methodology to measure impact of mobile web in dev. countries
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looking in Kenya for now
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and Indonesia too
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should move to case studies in a year
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Topic: logistics
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steph: checked on the mailing-list
12:08:50 [Adesina]
hELLO STEPH
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Hi Adesina
12:09:22 [Steph]
one person only answered
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so we can stick with the current slots
12:09:34 [Adesina]
Hi been very busy with duties and research
12:09:40 [Steph]
Hi Adesina
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oops
12:10:12 [Steph]
Topic: Tools evaluation methodology
12:10:19 [Adesina]
Betty's work could be very important
12:11:19 [Steph]
stephanie: sent a mail to the group
12:11:33 [Zakim]
-Stephane
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+Steph.a
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12:14:19 [Stef]
christelle: how difficult is the tools ?
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is it linux or windows based ?
12:14:32 [Adesina]
Is Steph diff from stef?
12:14:56 [Zakim]
-Steph.a
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+Stephane
12:20:35 [Stef]
q+
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stephanie: broadening to end-user tools
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rrs reader, browser
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interesting tools for the community to recommend
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most capable browsers on a given device is important
12:22:03 [christellescharff]
++
12:22:31 [Stef]
stephane: so that creates 2 categories
12:22:31 [betty]
My point of view, tools = software, devices, netwok for MW4D. As we know there are many pilot projects to analyse.
12:22:36 [Stef]
zakim, who is here ?
12:22:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Betty, Christelle, Stephanie, Stephane
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On IRC I see Stef, stephanierieger, betty, christellescharff, RRSAgent, Zakim, Adesina, maxf
12:23:09 [Stef]
betty: yes, different categories
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developer, content provider, end-user
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steph: difference ?
12:25:26 [Stef]
betty: different type of people: those providing content, those consuming content
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christelle
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:
12:25:55 [Stef]
tools only, or the impact of the tools ?
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q+
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christelle: impact=how many users and so on
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scope of use of the tool
12:29:00 [Stef]
Resolution: we should integrate tools targeted at different type of users, including those focused on end-user only (e.g. web browsers, rss reader, etc.)
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q+
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steph: goal and audience of the document
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christelle: a tool for decision making to select the right tools so for e.g. ngo
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also for teachers to design projects for students
12:33:27 [stephanierieger]
q+
12:34:28 [Steph]
stephanie: some tools works only if there is content available
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like education tools
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a content element should be considered
12:35:25 [betty]
q+
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stephane: some dimension might be overlapping ?
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like content creation ?
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christelle: what is important too ?
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how to present ?
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should be clear and organized
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not easy.
12:39:41 [Steph]
stephane: we should perhaps not focus on analyzing tools but just the methodology
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probably not focusing on the best tools in each category ?
12:40:05 [stephanierieger]
q+
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stephanie: at the first glance, i thought that we should recommend tools but now not sure
12:41:05 [Steph]
the way to present is key too
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too much factor may kill usefullness
12:42:32 [betty]
q+
12:43:24 [Steph]
stephanie: specific example: mobile testharness results: very hard to understand
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the results should be mobile accessible also
12:45:34 [Steph]
steph: a repository surely, the document describing the methodlogy, i'm not sure
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stephane: how could-we move on ?
12:46:10 [Steph]
ack stef
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ack christellescharff
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ack betty
12:47:28 [Steph]
betty, how we are going to present document ?
12:47:33 [betty]
Are we going to include some practitioners or potential users could be audience of the document? E.g. in m-agriculture, some smart farmers could read the document, which inspires them to try the tools analysed in the document. But they need more practical documents than lecturers or students.
12:47:46 [Steph]
betty: are the potential users of tools are audience ?
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betty: e.g. farmers ?
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better: easier access for simpler users, more complex access to smarter/advanced users
12:52:47 [Adesina]
mHealth applications could be the main driver for mobile web
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+[IPcaller]
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Present+Shwetank
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zakim, [IPcaller] is shwetank
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+shwetank; got it
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12:55:32 [Steph]
ACtion: stephane to create or find back the wiki page to use to drive the discussion
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Action: stephanie to gather the different pieces expressed today and in the email thread on the wiki page
12:56:24 [betty]
Is this the link for tools wiki http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_tools?
12:56:27 [Steph]
Topic: NExt Meeting
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steph: normally next date is August 16
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shwetank: not good for me
12:57:16 [betty]
16 August sounds great to me.
12:58:27 [Steph]
Action: stephane to query the group to see if any of 16 and 23 have enough participant
12:59:09 [Zakim]
-Stephane
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-shwetank
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-Stephanie
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-Christelle
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q+
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-Betty
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MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +44.238.059.aaaa, +666742aabb, Stephane, Christelle, Betty, Stephanie, Steph, shwetank
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make log public
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/08/02-mw4d-minutes.html Steph
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13:33:34 [ferlima]
is the meeting over?
13:34:56 [Steph]
yes
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hi
13:35:10 [Steph]
it finished 35mn ago
13:35:50 [ferlima2]
I am very sorry! I will try to attend to the next one.
13:50:27 [Steph]
no problem
13:50:32 [Steph]
thanks for your interest
14:05:15 [ferlima2]
thank you. Can I ask you a question still?
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