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<emma> Previous minutes : http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html
<emma> scribe : Marcia
<emma> scribenick: marcia
<ww> Zakim: aacc is me
<kai> faster ;-)
<ww> how do i call in over ip?
<monica> that's right thanks Antoine
<jneubert> zakim mute me
<jneubert> me zakim, mute me
<b_vatant> Hi all - will attend on IRC only today
<GordonD> xakim, mute me
emma: any objection?
RESOLVED
-- F2F meetings Pittsburgh 23 and 24 October, confirmed http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
Confirmed
joint meeting on Friday afternoon. Check on the conference program
<monica> joint meeting with DCMI architecture
A joint meeting with DCMI Architecture Forum WG has been scheduled on Friday 22nd afternoon http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/program-sessions.html#jointmeeting
Application Profiles for Linked Data: Models & Requirements
no questions
<ww> who is typing loudly?
potential meeting in Germany
Possible meeting jointly to SWBIB 2010 (Cologne, 29 and 30 November) ? See Joachim's mail : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0066.html “Semantic Web in Bibliotheken” = ” Semantic Web in Libraries“ http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html
asking people to take the Doodle poll
in addition to the f2f meeting in Pittsburgh
see how many people would be interested
<kai> i will be there anyway, so +1 for the meeting
then we will decide
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask jneubert for details?
ask for details on the Doodle poll before
get details before the conference time, decide the day and time
jneubert: maybe part of the coming event,
<kcoyle> ++ beer and chitchat
<edsu> beer+chitchat++
depends on who will be, either afternoon or evening
<antoine> cool!
<kai> +1 for the beer, but maybe we can do both :-)
<ww> http://wikis.fu-berlin.de/display/fcrc/Home
??? OCtober possible Berlin meeting
emma: we have a wiki page for the events, please paste there.
<ww> The 3rd Free Culture Research Conference, 7-9 October in Berlin
-- Summer teleconferences schedule 2010-08-19 - Tom 2010-08-26 - Antoine Weekly calls will resume in September.
<scribe> ACTION: antoine to check cross linking between the two wikis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action01] DONE
Emma: open discussion
<scribe> ACTION: stu, alexander, kai and emma to suggest another version of the template. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action05] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jul/0047.html [DONE]
kai: ask if there are any questions about the template, tried to popularize with data from use cases, tried to recognize weaknesses and adapt
maybe have to rework some things, if not, start to collect use cases
emma: any objection?
kai: topic dimensions and topics to be discussed
<gneher> i think, the templates are very good and will be very helpful. thanks to kai et al. !
<GordonD> +1 let's get on with it
<antoine> I was happy with the changes made after my comments!
emma: maybe we can decide today
<scribe> ACTION: Alexander, kai, emma to populate the template for use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action03] -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Preservation [DONE]
alexander: regarding authority,
maybe populate a kind of general use case, find a specific use
case, consider the enrichment of existing authority
records
... background and technology not necessary
... try to pick out some limitations, as well as try to relay
to other use cases
-> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Digital_Preservation
emma: some feedback on use cases
<kai> +q
antoine: they seemed to be OK. I'd like to create one for myself
<edsu> looks good to me
Kai: wonder to find what kinds problem we have
granuarity of our user cases
richment of user cases
conclusion: difficul to concentrate on very specific user cases,
bettr to have broader point of views
<kai> no, extactly the other way round, marcia ;-)
emma: decide how we are going to make more use case
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask whether this is captured in the motivation part
<kai> its better to focus on a very specific use case than on a broad scenario
antoine: kai, please write one
statement
... kei, please answer the question about what you just
said
<edsu> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UCRationale
kau: to rethink what we did
kai: its better to focus on a very specific use case than on a broad scenario
emma: Use cases at ALA meeting, June 2010 -> http://kcoyle.net/lld-ala.html
how to integrate these issues to the user cases
anyone has information on this?
ed: there were several groups and
I participated in one
... we talked about Use Cases Discussion Group
how data set are there now and be used, e.g., OCLC case
what people are doing with the data, monitor what they do,
it was only clear of where they were from but not what they do,
that was the interesting part
<kcoyle> not all of the discussions there would necessarily turn into use cases, but we can look at them to see what we could derive
ed: OCLC has people involved
Karen was there,
ed: discussion about RDFa, for making library data more accessable to Facebook, Google search, etc. Another interesting discussion
<emma> Add ideas of use cases http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
<monica> I wondered if this would make an interesting use case http://efoundations.typepad.com/efoundations/2010/07/finding-ebooks.html
<antoine> RDFa/Richsnippets/SEO ++
emma: we need to decide: --
Choice between filling the use cases ourselves & sending
out a call
... we don't have many volunteers
<ww> couldn't we do both?
<AlexanderH> first ourselve
<antoine> ww+
emma: yes, we could start with ourselves
<GordonD> +1 ourselves
<kai> +1 for ourselves for the already existing ideas for use cases
-> Poll for volunteers: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Poll_for_volunteers
<jeff> +1 ourselves
<gneher> +1 ourselves
<AlexanderH> see how many we get ourselves
<edsu> +1 ourselves first
<kai> =more examples = easier for others to follow with further use cases
<michaelp> +1
<monica> +1 start ourselves
<Andras> +1
<GordonD> timescale?
emma: use the use case on the wiki
<ww> +1 start ourselves, then solicit other suggestions
<monica> would it be ok to work on use case with collaborators from outside the working group?
emma: when the use cases are due
<kai> @monica: i think so
<GordonD> +1
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to discuss limitation of editors per case
antoine: suggestion of
volunteering to take the use cases, suggests limiting the
number of volunteers...don't have more than two people on same
use case
... that way they won't wonder if ten people are going to
join
???: it makes sense to follow the example section...make it part of the cases section..
jneubert: link all the use cases in the section of the use case page
<ww> i think it was jneubert
emma: action
ACTION jneubert willing to take an action on usecase
<emma> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
antoine: deadline...
emma: first get some use cases ourselves, September...
antoine: not the next telecon but the one after is the deadline?
<GordonD> +1 August for ourselves then September for others
emma: or the next one
<kcoyle> +1 august
antoine: deadline august 26th
one day before the telecon
<GordonD> this will allow feedback from ifla and possibly rda
emma: august 25 deadline
<antoine> ACTION: everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes . Not more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04]
<edsu> topic topic :-)
emma: ACTION: everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08] Karen is editor of the topics.
<scribe> DONE
<GordonD> +1 to continue to develop topics
emma: use cases should relate to the topics
antonine: want to point to the discussion page on the topic page
emma: July about domain modling,
FRBR... question about if the description relly relate to
the
... on the mailing list there are discussions
karen: not sure what point to make
Jeff: lots of topics getting to certain concerns, small group carry on the discussions. need balance between small group and everyboday
<antoine> I think raising general awareness on issues is good!
emma: relate the discussion to the topics
<b_vatant> wondering how the topics will be related to use cases
karen: maybe we can base on the
topic list, do not get into the details.
... initially need to remember to put them on the topic
list
<michaelp> If someone wants to take them on as a UC, they would then be there.
emma: relate to the topic list,
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on community list
antoine: discussions, as long as on the community list, all are relavant
one of the topics was on Open Library, certainly relevant
<ww> the openbiblio mailing list is available for discussion of sausage
Jeff: the case of Open Library protocal details etc. has some gaps with linked data
<GordonD> suggest xg members take responsibility to manage public list topics - move offline with smaller group, add to topics, fold back to focus of lld - but not prevent discussion
karen: some of the cases are not pure linked data, the case will be on how you want to move from what you got
<antoine> +1
karen: happy to use the Open Libraary as one of the use case
<GordonD> +1 karen - linked data + how we get there - most of what i'm doing is the latter
mpanzer: the discussions here
touched the issue of how linked data relate to the SW
... how we release data silos , how to relate library standards
like FRBR and FRSAD to the SW standards/linked data
in addition to putting them on the topic list, but also need to have f-t-face meetings.
emma: move on.
try to put some of these items on the agenda
-- RDA To be discussed in august.
IFLA
<GordonD> add frbr, frad, frsad to upcoming topics
<kcoyle> Gordon? :-)
<edsu> kcoyle?
<edsu> :-)
anyone is interested in preparing something about RDA
we do not have today
Gordon: Aug. will be difficult. Sept will be better
emma: Gordon will put on something for discussion in Sept. agenda
-- Comments on the NISO Institutional Identifier (I2) Working Group (WG) midterm report -> http://www.niso.org/workrooms/i2/midtermreport/
I made a page at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/NISO-I2
<antoine> scribenick: antoine
marcia: a summary of comments is available on that page
Deadline is august 7
emma: everybody agrees on a collective comment (informal)?
<ww> +1
emma: any objection?
... anyone with comment please check marcia's page
edsu: is it worthwhile mentioning RDF?
marcia: it would be great. How to formulate?
edsu: I will formulate a line on the wiki
marcia: background discussion is
on the Discussion page of the wiki page
... for example MARC
... people could check that aspect
<scribe> ACTION: marcia to send (informal) group's comment on I2 before the deadline for comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action05]
emma: AOB?
<marcia> emma: any other business?
<scribe> scribe: marcia
emma: adjourned
<matolat> bye
<jneubert> bye
<kai> bye
<emma> rrsagent please draft minutes
so we are done, right, Emma?
yes
<emma> ACTION Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda
there is another action that did not recorded correctly
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