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16:18:57 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
16:18:57 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
16:19:07 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:19:21 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
16:19:24 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:19:28 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:19:33 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:19:52 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Jul/0008.html
16:20:00 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:20:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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16:30:51 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:30:51 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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16:33:39 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
16:33:53 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:34:01 <Zakim> +matial
16:34:58 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/2010/07/21-core-irc
16:35:13 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/2010/07/21-core-minutes.html
16:35:31 <Norbert> zakim, unmute norbert
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16:36:21 <aphillip> Norbert: update ticket for httpbis to indicate our WG's position 
16:37:02 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:37:05 <Norbert> zakim, mute norbert
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16:37:47 <aphillip> respond to HTML WG on polyglog issue 7 endorsing our editorial change
16:38:35 <aphillip> s/polyglog/polyglot
16:39:53 <aphillip> Topic: Input Locale text for DOM3 
16:40:07 <Aharon> zakim, unmute me
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16:40:51 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JulSep/0018.html
16:42:18 <aphillip> aharon: item not responded to was from andrew
16:42:35 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010JulSep/0046.html
16:43:15 <aphillip> andrew: question about what happens in some circumstances
16:43:31 <aphillip> ... terminology kept changing; what is the locale for each platform
16:43:46 <aphillip> ... e.g. input locale is distinct in windows from system locale
16:43:58 <aphillip> ... while other operating systems it isn't the same
16:44:14 <aphillip> aharon: familiar with windows and also linux
16:46:43 <aphillip> addison: presentation in linux is from input framework
16:47:20 <aphillip> aharon: doesn't bother me, just setting up API
16:47:59 <aphillip> andrew: e.g. in windows, the only input locales are microsoft ones
16:49:25 <aphillip> aharon: two cases where no info
16:49:33 <aphillip> ... 1. browser doesn't know (so null)
16:49:48 <aphillip> ... or incorrect value
16:50:20 <aphillip> aharon: it's just a heuristic
16:53:56 <aphillip> andrew: might want to (try to) restrict use cases
16:54:04 <aphillip> ... text direction is one thing
16:54:18 <aphillip> ... but maybe smart quotes would be a problem for minority languages
16:54:29 <aphillip> ... would break text because things are changing
16:55:42 <aphillip> aharon: know that this is true; but smart quotes are desire by implementations
16:57:12 <aphillip> addison: may be a good source for FAQs in the future
16:57:28 <aphillip> aharon: google online processor: only English smart quotes
16:58:24 <aphillip> ... won't solve the problem anyway
16:58:29 <aphillip> ... but could help solve problems
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17:00:43 <aphillip> norbert: proposal does not specify the locale identifer; should say BCP 47
17:01:37 <aphillip> norbert: currently say "locale", shouldn't we say "language"
17:03:08 <aphillip> andrew: browser must translate input locale to a language tag
17:04:58 <andrewc> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb895996.aspx
17:05:07 <aphillip> ACTION: Aharon: publish latest text of input locale to public core list for approval and then forward if no objections
17:05:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:05:32 <aphillip> norbert: return 'null' or 'undefined'
17:05:55 <aphillip> norbert: ask DOM people which?
17:06:19 <aphillip> aharon: what name to use?
17:06:29 <aphillip> ... we said various things
17:06:44 <aphillip> ... use same name as input andkeyboard event
17:06:49 <aphillip> ... don't want to use keyboardLocale
17:07:11 <aphillip> ... inputModeLocale is obfuscated in keyboard event
17:07:24 <aphillip> ... other possibility is inputLocale
17:07:41 <aphillip> ... which I object to because it says the very thing we want to avoid
17:07:49 <aphillip> ... that it is the locale of the data being entered
17:08:30 <aphillip> andrew: inputLocale actually has a defined meaning on windows
17:08:41 <aphillip> david: sourceLocale?
17:10:01 <Norbert> zakim, mute norbert
17:10:01 <Zakim> Norbert should now be muted
17:12:37 <aphillip> Topic: IRI progress
17:14:11 <aphillip> addison summarizes
17:14:18 <Zakim> -matial
17:15:06 <aphillip> richard: problem getting technical discussing going. why not?
17:15:44 <aphillip> addison: need another editor
17:18:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/28-core-minutes.html aphillip
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17:20:27 <Norbert> zakim, unmute norbert
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17:21:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +972.7.474.6aaaa, [IPcaller], aphillip, +972.7.474.6aabb, Richard, David, andrewc, +972.7.474.6aacc, Aharon, Norbert, matial
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