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14:59:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML_Forms
14:59:26 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:59:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:59:27 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2010
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14:59:36 <Steven> zakim, this will be xforms
14:59:36 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see IA_XForms()11:00AM already started
14:59:44 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.5.40.05.aaaa
14:59:52 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:59:52 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:59:53 <Zakim> - +33.5.40.05.aaaa
14:59:53 <Zakim> + +33.5.40.05.aaaa
14:59:54 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:00:22 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is alain
15:00:22 <Zakim> +alain; got it
15:00:26 <klotz> zakim, code?
15:00:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), klotz
15:00:36 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:01:18 <Zakim> + +1.914.282.aabb
15:01:59 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jul/0019
15:02:10 <Steven> Regrets: Philip, Nick, John
15:02:48 <Steven> zakim, aabb is wiecha
15:02:48 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
15:04:24 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see alain, Steven, Leigh_Klotz, wiecha
15:05:41 <klotz> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/tag/sedna
15:08:17 <klotz> scribe: klotz
15:08:21 <klotz> scribenick: klotz
15:08:24 <klotz> No quorum this week.
15:08:32 <klotz> We will have a call next week, but Steven will be gone.
15:08:39 <klotz> Steven will be gone the next four weeks.
15:08:52 <klotz> We will cancel the call 2 weeks from today because there are four regrets.
15:09:07 <klotz> * XML Application Interoperability
15:09:31 <klotz> Steven: There's a group looking at in-browser interoperability which is coming out of the Backplane IG Incubator Group.
15:09:59 <klotz> Steven: So that's the outcome of the final report, and there will likely be a workshop, to get new work going in the W3C.
15:10:23 <klotz> Steven: Charlie was chair of the Web Backplane, and I proposed a workshop around the time of the TPAC.
15:10:33 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:11:06 <Zakim> +wiecha
15:11:23 <klotz> Steven: I suggested a workshop about XML Applications in the Browser, based on techniques like Alain's or IBM's implementations.  We know a number of groups doing similar things, with the idea of getting them together to make their software interoperable.
15:12:44 <klotz> Charlie: Things like model-view, submission, events, etc. from the Backplane XG would be topics to discuss, but no XML in the browser issue.
15:13:22 <klotz> Charlie: There's so much attention in the HTML5 conformance which is backward-looking.  Future features, forward-looking, would be useful.  So we should brainstorm about it thees new features.
15:13:36 <klotz> Charlie: People are scrambling in AJAX frameworks to re-invent these technologies.
15:13:53 <klotz> Leigh: IndexDB and Sedna in Firefox: http://www.stylusstudio.com/xquerytalk/201007/004186.html
15:14:19 <klotz> Charlie; I may not be able to participate around the TPAC timeframe though.
15:14:34 <klotz> Steven: That works for me.  An all-week XForms meeting and TPAC would make for a demanding week anyway.
15:14:48 <klotz> Charlie: We need to get these questions back on the table at W3C.
15:15:33 <klotz> Charlie: We've gone well past the point with MVC as a debate.
15:15:47 <klotz> Charlie: Dojo wants to remain competitive.
15:16:46 <klotz> Charlie: THere's also interest in the dependency graph in Dojo.  So we can invite those folks, not just W3C WG.
15:18:06 <klotz> Steven: Inviting people from outside W3C would be encouraged.
15:18:51 <klotz> Charlie: And let the timing work itself out.
15:19:49 <klotz> Alain: It's interesting for me.  I hope I can come and participate.
15:20:07 <klotz> Charlie: Are you going to Balisage in Montreal?
15:20:16 <klotz> Steven: Unfortunately it's during school holidays.
15:21:07 <klotz> Charlie: I have a paper there on xforms.
15:21:14 <klotz> * XSLTFOrms
15:21:30 <klotz> Steven: When will beta 3 be out?
15:21:33 <klotz> Alain: In weeks.
15:22:11 <klotz> Steven: I'm using it for XForms tutorial.  I wonder whether you thought that the title "XForms for HTML Authors" or is "XForms Tutorial" better?
15:22:58 <klotz> Steven: Now all the examples work in the browser.
15:23:20 <klotz> Steven: Part 1 is HTML and XForms correspondence.  Part 2 is things you can't do in HTML.
15:25:01 <klotz> Leigh: Live examples are nice; you can do individual tasks and examples rather than a whole overview document, and leave this document focused on the HTML example.
15:25:10 <klotz> Charlie: I like master-detail.
15:25:18 <klotz> Steven: The mapping example is a good one.
15:25:32 <klotz> * XQuery in Firefox
15:25:34 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jul/0021.html
15:25:45 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:25:46 <Zakim> -Steven
15:25:46 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
15:25:47 <klotz> * Next Meeting
15:25:50 <Zakim> -alain
15:25:51 <Zakim> IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
15:25:53 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.5.40.05.aaaa, Steven, alain, Leigh_Klotz, +1.914.282.aabb, wiecha
15:26:39 <klotz> Next week July 28, Leigh to Chair.
15:26:56 <klotz> No meeting August 4.
15:27:06 <klotz> zakim, make minutes
15:27:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', klotz
15:27:13 <klotz> rrsagent, make minutes
15:27:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/21-forms-minutes.html klotz
15:27:30 <klotz> rrsagent, make minutes public
15:27:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', klotz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:27:37 <klotz> rrsagent, make public
15:27:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public', klotz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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18:14:43 <Steven> Chair: Steven
18:14:50 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
18:14:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/21-forms-minutes.html Steven