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13:26:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
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13:26:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:26:48 <trackbot> Date: 20 July 2010
13:29:16 <francois> zakim, code?
13:29:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), francois
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13:32:35 <adam> zakim, aaaa is me
13:32:35 <Zakim> +adam; got it
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13:39:20 <SeanP> Zakim, aacc is me
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13:39:22 <francois> zakim, aabb is EdC
13:39:22 <Zakim> +EdC; got it
13:40:14 <jo> zakim, code?
13:40:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), jo
13:41:16 <jo> can't get in on Zakim (again)
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13:43:19 <francois> zakim, aadd is jo
13:43:19 <Zakim> +jo; got it
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13:43:21 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
13:44:32 <francois> Scribe: francois
13:44:49 <francois> Scribe: SeanP
13:45:24 <SeanP> Topic: BP2
13:45:54 <SeanP> Francois: The document was published as a 2nd last call working draft on the 13th of July.
13:46:40 <SeanP> ...It includes the changes we agreed on.  We've asked people to review the document again.  We've removed 3 BPs; not expecting substansive changes.
13:46:49 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Jul/0004.html fd's email on MWABP
13:47:26 <SeanP> ...We're in good shape.  We need a few more implementation reports.
13:48:35 <SeanP> Francois: I'm trying to get in touch with a few mobile developers for BP implementations.  We need the developers to submit the implementation reports.
13:48:55 <francois> q+
13:49:02 <jo> ack f
13:49:44 <SeanP> Francois: We received 2 last call comments last week.  They look minor, but we'll need to address them.  We may wait until the end of the review period to address them all.
13:49:53 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/ BPWG comments mailing-list
13:50:03 <SeanP> ...Comments shoudl be submitted to the comments mailing list.
13:50:10 <SeanP> Topic: CT
13:50:25 <SeanP> Jo: We're still looking for implementation reports.
13:50:30 <SeanP> q+
13:50:35 <jo> ack s
13:50:59 <francois> seanp: still working on that. Need to talk to marketing. Will let you know next time, hopefully.
13:51:48 <SeanP> Topic: Charter extension
13:53:00 <SeanP> Francois: We've been extended.  The charter now runs to end of Oct. 2010.  The director says we should not count on another extension.  I don't think we really want that anyway.  We don't want to delay BP2 anymore.
13:53:59 <SeanP> Jo: When  does the review period end?
13:54:10 <SeanP> Francois: Review period ends 6 Aug.
13:54:54 <SeanP> Jo: Agree with not having another extension.  We'd have to get everything done by then.  We should put together a timetable.
13:55:07 <jo> ACTION: Jo to formulate action plan with Francois and Dan
13:55:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1062 - Formulate action plan with Francois and Dan [on Jo Rabin - due 2010-07-27].
13:55:13 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/roadmap.html BPWG Roadmap
13:56:07 <SeanP> Francois: I updated the roadmap.  It is linked from the charter.  I've listed the 2 remaining steps.  Need PR by Sept. if we want to be done by Oct.
13:56:32 <SeanP> Jo: Topic: Summer break
13:56:44 <SeanP> Jo: Need to be back by summer break by late Aug.
13:57:06 <SeanP> Francois: I'll be back by Aug. 24th.
13:57:17 <SeanP> Jo: [Garbled]
13:57:34 <SeanP> Jo: We need Dan back by the 10th.
13:58:09 <SeanP> Francois: We don't need a call next week.
13:58:52 <SeanP> Jo: No call on July 27th, no call on Aug. 3rd, a call on Aug. 10th chaired by Dan, the 17th is unclear, and we'll need to be back by Aug. 24th.
13:58:58 <SeanP> OK with me.
13:59:05 <EdC> Ok with me.
13:59:10 <francois> +1
13:59:13 <adam> +!
13:59:17 <adam> +1
14:00:38 <francois> ACTION-1034?
14:00:38 <trackbot> ACTION-1034 -- François Daoust to investigate about opportunities to promote mobileOK with the European Commission -- due 2009-12-18 -- OPEN
14:00:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1034
14:00:56 <jo> ACTION-1042?
14:00:56 <trackbot> ACTION-1042 -- Sean Patterson to do his best to encourage his colleagues to allow some time to be spent on CT test suite -- due 2010-03-09 -- OPEN
14:00:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1042
14:01:02 <SeanP> Topic:  Issues and Actions
14:01:09 <francois> francois: investigated internally. Not much we can do without support from other members. Happy to do it otherwise.
14:01:16 <francois> close ACTION-1034
14:01:16 <trackbot> ACTION-1034 Investigate about opportunities to promote mobileOK with the European Commission closed
14:01:22 <jo> close ACTION-1034
14:01:22 <trackbot> ACTION-1034 Investigate about opportunities to promote mobileOK with the European Commission closed
14:02:22 <jo> close action-1042
14:02:22 <trackbot> ACTION-1042 Do his best to encourage his colleagues to allow some time to be spent on CT test suite closed
14:02:44 <jo> close action-1048
14:02:44 <trackbot> ACTION-1048 Give the Israeli's a ping ref their email on MWABP closed
14:03:05 <jo> ACTION-1049?
14:03:05 <trackbot> ACTION-1049 -- Sean Patterson to come back to the group by next call with a yes/no on writing some challenge tests for CT. -- due 2010-05-25 -- OPEN
14:03:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1049
14:03:31 <jo> close ACTION-1049
14:03:31 <trackbot> ACTION-1049 Come back to the group by next call with a yes/no on writing some challenge tests for CT. closed
14:04:18 <jo> ACTION-1052?
14:04:18 <trackbot> ACTION-1052 -- Daniel Appelquist to investigate CT implementation report -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
14:04:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1052
14:04:30 <jo> ACTION-1054?
14:04:30 <trackbot> ACTION-1054 -- Jo Rabin to see with Adam about CT implementation report -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
14:04:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1054
14:04:40 <jo> close ACTION-154
14:04:40 <trackbot> ACTION-154 Send a response to Ville karinen by 1/26 closed
14:04:54 <jo> close ACTION-1054
14:04:54 <trackbot> ACTION-1054 See with Adam about CT implementation report closed
14:05:04 <jo> ACTION-1055?
14:05:04 <trackbot> ACTION-1055 -- François Daoust to see with Jérôme about CT implementation report -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
14:05:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1055
14:05:14 <jo> ACTION-1058?
14:05:14 <trackbot> ACTION-1058 -- Jo Rabin to ask dotMobi for an implementation report on ct -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
14:05:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1058
14:05:29 <francois> close ACTION-1058
14:05:29 <trackbot> ACTION-1058 Ask dotMobi for an implementation report on ct closed
14:05:43 <francois> ACTION-1060?
14:05:43 <trackbot> ACTION-1060 -- François Daoust to request a 4 month charter extension -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
14:05:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1060
14:05:46 <francois> close ACTION-1060
14:05:46 <trackbot> ACTION-1060 Request a 4 month charter extension closed
14:06:18 <jo> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open
14:06:35 <jo> ISSUE-301?
14:06:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-301 -- Jo may not be able to devote very much time to this document so if modifications are needed beyond what has been discussed today a further editor is needed -- open
14:06:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/301
14:06:43 <jo> clsoe ISSUE-301
14:06:52 <jo> close ISSUE-301
14:06:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-301 Jo may not be able to devote very much time to this document so if modifications are needed beyond what has been discussed today a further editor is needed closed
14:07:02 <jo> ISSUE-302?
14:07:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-302 -- Test suite for CT guidelines: what do we want/need? -- open
14:07:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/302
14:07:35 <jo> close ISSUE-302?
14:07:43 <jo> close IISUE-301
14:07:48 <francois> close ISSUE-302
14:07:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-302 Test suite for CT guidelines: what do we want/need? closed
14:08:26 <jo> ACTION-1023?
14:08:26 <trackbot> ACTION-1023 -- François Daoust to kick off work on test suite for guidelines. -- due 2009-11-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:08:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1023
14:08:35 <francois> close ACTION-1023
14:08:35 <trackbot> ACTION-1023 Kick off work on test suite for guidelines. closed
14:08:44 <francois> ACTION-1025?
14:08:44 <trackbot> ACTION-1025 -- François Daoust to try to get replies from commenters of the first last call working draft of CT -- due 2009-11-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:08:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1025
14:08:52 <francois> close ACTION-1025
14:08:52 <trackbot> ACTION-1025 Try to get replies from commenters of the first last call working draft of CT closed
14:08:55 <francois> ACTION-1028?
14:08:55 <trackbot> ACTION-1028 -- Jo Rabin to enact changes resolved today with minimal possible casuistry -- due 2009-12-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:08:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1028
14:09:05 <francois> close ACTION-1028
14:09:05 <trackbot> ACTION-1028 Enact changes resolved today with minimal possible casuistry closed
14:09:10 <francois> ACTION-1029?
14:09:10 <trackbot> ACTION-1029 -- François Daoust to draft responses to reviewers based on resolutions taken during the F2F -- due 2009-12-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:09:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1029
14:09:14 <francois> close ACTION-1029
14:09:15 <trackbot> ACTION-1029 Draft responses to reviewers based on resolutions taken during the F2F closed
14:09:25 <francois> ACTION-1030?
14:09:25 <trackbot> ACTION-1030 -- François Daoust to think carefully about how tests in the CT test suite could be run from mobile phones and report (Web App? Widget? J2ME?) -- due 2009-12-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:09:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1030
14:10:02 <francois> close ACTION-1030
14:10:02 <trackbot> ACTION-1030 Think carefully about how tests in the CT test suite could be run from mobile phones and report (Web App? Widget? J2ME?) closed
14:10:09 <francois> close ACTION-1031
14:10:09 <trackbot> ACTION-1031 Create the initial document that is to contain human-readable descriptions of the tests to implement. closed
14:10:13 <francois> close ACTION-1032
14:10:13 <trackbot> ACTION-1032 Investigate on the possibility to restrict ourselves to a pseudo-code written test suite document for CT. closed
14:10:19 <francois> close ACTION-1033
14:10:20 <trackbot> ACTION-1033 Highlight normative statements that can be automatically tested, and those that will be hard or impossible to test on an automated basis by 2010-01-19 closed
14:10:28 <francois> close ACTION-1036
14:10:28 <trackbot> ACTION-1036 Prepare the implementation report for the CR of MWABP closed
14:10:35 <francois> close ACTION-1037
14:10:36 <trackbot> ACTION-1037 Update the implementation report template based on the discussion, i.e. remove the "fail" column and emphasize that all of the best practices do not need to be implemented, that we're looking into "atomic" feedback on one or two best practices each time. closed
14:10:41 <francois> close ACTION-1044
14:10:41 <trackbot> ACTION-1044 Ping previous reviewers on third last call of CT closed
14:10:46 <francois> close ACTION-1056
14:10:46 <trackbot> ACTION-1056 Ping Openwave about CT implementation report closed
14:11:28 <SeanP> Topic: AOB
14:11:52 <Zakim> -jo
14:11:54 <Zakim> -adam
14:11:56 <Zakim> -francois
14:11:58 <Zakim> -EdC
14:12:00 <Zakim> -SeanP
14:12:00 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()8:30AM has ended
14:12:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.207.881.aaaa, adam, +41.31.972.aabb, francois, +1.630.414.aacc, SeanP, EdC, +44.790.418.aadd, jo
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14:30:53 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:30:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/20-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:31:28 <francois> Regrets: DKA, tomhume, miguel, yeliz
14:31:32 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:31:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/20-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:31:37 <francois> Chair: jo
14:31:41 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:31:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/20-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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16:25:15 <francois> RRSAGent, bye
16:25:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/20-bpwg-actions.rdf :
16:25:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to formulate action plan with Francois and Dan [1]
16:25:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/20-bpwg-irc#T13-55-07