15:05:04 RRSAgent has joined #prov-xg 15:05:04 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/07/16-prov-xg-irc 15:05:06 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:05:06 Zakim has joined #prov-xg 15:05:08 Zakim, this will be 98765 15:05:08 ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago 15:05:09 Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference 15:05:09 Date: 16 July 2010 15:05:21 Zakim, this will be inc_provxg 15:05:21 ok, pgroth, I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM already started 15:05:24 zakim, who is on the phone 15:05:24 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', paolo 15:05:38 +[IPcaller.a] 15:05:58 +[IPcaller.aa] 15:06:20 chair: Yolanda Gil 15:06:29 Scribe: Paul Groth 15:06:39 ScribeNick: pgroth 15:06:44 zakim, IPcaller.a is really me 15:06:44 +SamCoppens; got it 15:06:50 rrsagent, make logs public 15:07:07 http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ak69UO5fDWWpdDFsZ1J5dFQ2YmNXc3g4Rm1yMHVKblE&authkey=CKH5zZ0K&hl=en#gid=0 15:07:14 +??P6 15:07:17 paulo: describing the tagging process in mendeley 15:07:33 Christine has joined #prov-xg 15:07:35 paolo: 54 papers have been tagged 15:07:52 paolo: is tracking the tagging on a google doc 15:08:10 paolo: url is above 15:08:21 Apologies. I had trouble joining the call. The US number hung-up on me. The UK number was invalid. 15:08:35 + +30281039aabb 15:08:49 Zakim, +302810 is Irini 15:08:49 +Irini; got it 15:08:59 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Bibliography_Tags 15:09:21 paolo: tagging papers that are untagged "untagged" 15:10:38 paolo: discussing bibdata to publish the tagged papers after tagging process is done 15:10:39 You are talking about BibBase: http://www.bibbase.org/ 15:11:01 exactly 15:11:40 yolanda: not many papers tagged for the other scenarios 15:12:00 yolanda: need to be able to map the scenarios to relavent work 15:12:25 is this the right place to find the cited papers: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Related_Work_Across_Scenarios 15:12:56 q+ 15:14:08 afreitas has joined #prov-xg 15:14:34 saying that Related_Work_Across_Scenarios should be a good place to start 15:14:51 paolo: will try to get more statistics about the tags 15:14:59 ack pgroth 15:15:37 pgroth: is Related_Work_Across_Scenarios comprehensive? 15:15:45 Paulo has joined #prov-xg 15:15:51 +[IPcaller.a] 15:16:07 yolanda: gathered any papers that were mentioned on the wiki 15:16:56 + +1.915.603.aacc 15:16:58 yolanda: isn't complete, just a summary of what we have discussed 15:18:02 paolo: there for support on mendeley tagging 15:18:09 yolanda: found it very easy to tag 15:19:18 yolanda: was it easy for those who have tagged? 15:19:22 irini: yes 15:19:56 I found it easy too 15:20:41 yolanda: asked daniel to help with the tagging process 15:20:59 yolanda: along with paolo 15:21:16 q+ 15:21:50 luc: will get ipaw10 papers when they are collated 15:21:51 ack Paulo 15:22:20 JimM has joined #prov-xg 15:22:25 +??P10 15:23:03 paulo: if we add new papers will they create duplicates 15:23:44 paolo: yes 15:24:22 paolo: emphasizes we would like to have high quality references 15:24:45 paulo: trying to create a high quality bibtex to upload additional papers 15:25:14 paulo: additional tags and papers by this coming week 15:25:37 yolanda: go over three scenarios for prioritising papers to tag 15:25:42 ok 15:26:17 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Related_Work_Across_Scenarios 15:26:35 for NewsAggregatorScenario 15:26:43 yolanda: mostly technology related 15:27:02 yolanda: annotating multimedia with semantics might be relevant 15:28:29 paul: add icwsm papers having to do with tracking blogs and retweeting 15:29:35 Are you looking for state of the art research/papers re authenticate entity? 15:29:43 paul: watermarking of images 15:29:48 christine: yeah that would be good 15:30:04 Okay, I will see what I can provide on that. 15:30:34 yolanda: focus on what most people need 15:31:21 yolanda: what do we do if we want to cite something that is not a paper 15:31:22 ? 15:31:33 paolo: let's keep it in mendeley 15:31:55 paolo: it simplifies everything 15:31:59 statistics, etc 15:32:33 Zakim, who is loud? 15:32:33 I don't understand your question, pgroth. 15:32:46 Zakim, who is making noise? 15:32:58 pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (100%), +44.238.059.aaaa (18%) 15:34:55 yolanda: paolo can you give an example for what to do with these "non-publications" and make it availabe? 15:34:59 paolo: sure 15:35:42 Scenario 2: Disease Outbreak 15:36:14 yolanda: lots of papers relevant to the scenario and not tagged as such 15:36:27 yolanda: we didn't make it a requirement, but we should encourage it 15:36:31 +1 15:36:36 +1 15:37:44 yolanda: the thought is that the scenarios have entry points 15:38:05 yolanda: the scenarios were designed to cover these entry points 15:38:14 yolanda: we should be able to connect the state of the art to that 15:38:43 paolo: makes sense, but wasn't clear from the instructions 15:39:03 pgroth: should we modify the instructions? 15:39:11 yolanda: yes 15:39:22 - +44.238.059.aaaa 15:39:55 yolanda: relevant papers to Disease Outbreak 15:40:08 yolanda: data integration, database papers 15:40:53 paolo: how broad should the papers be? 15:41:03 yolanda: fairly broad 15:43:02 pgroth: not everything that is relevant has the words provenance in it 15:43:21 yolanda: again emphasizing broadly 15:43:59 I didn't add that tag since all the papers where about provenance... 15:44:02 yolanda: with respect to the papers to be included 15:44:30 Scenario 3: Business Contract Scenario 15:45:05 yolanda: simon will be away for the next 3 weeks, need someone to take charge of the scenario 15:45:20 yolanda: proof, compliance checking 15:45:37 jmyers: electronic notebook records 15:45:49 jmyers: haven't done anything with mendeley yet 15:45:59 yolanda: jmyers execused for this week :-) 15:47:14 paolo: log mining 15:47:25 paolo: process mining may be relevent 15:47:46 rules may also be important here as well 15:48:11 Other papers 15:48:20 yolanda: info quality papers 15:48:48 yolanda: answering use queries 15:49:07 paolo: query languages 15:50:20 query language papers are very relevent to scenario 1 15:50:45 yolanda: documenting action formulations are relevant to scenario 2 15:51:05 sorry, axiom formulation 15:51:53 yolanda: data integration papers belong to scenario #2 15:51:55 -[IPcaller.a] 15:52:43 irini: to tag the papers with scenarios 15:53:29 disambiguation of entities map to scenario 1 15:55:40 yolanda: bad to say that "you have to have certain basics" 15:56:24 q+ 15:56:26 +1 for pgroth 15:57:14 yolanda: identify general frameworks 15:58:48 paulo: to address the problem of people needing only small subsets of provenance, pml2 is broken down in the module 15:59:24 Last section: technologies and standards 16:00:04 yolanda: go over existing standards next week 16:02:00 -Yolanda 16:02:03 -Irini 16:02:04 -??P10 16:02:04 -[IPcaller] 16:02:05 - +1.915.603.aacc 16:02:05 -[IPcaller.aa] 16:02:07 -??P0 16:02:10 -??P6 16:02:11 rrsagent, set log public 16:02:13 -SamCoppens 16:02:14 INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has ended 16:02:16 Attendees were +44.238.059.aaaa, [IPcaller], Yolanda, SamCoppens, +30281039aabb, Irini, +1.915.603.aacc 16:02:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:02:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/16-prov-xg-minutes.html pgroth 16:02:28 trackbot, end telcon 16:02:28 Zakim, list attendees 16:02:28 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 16:02:29 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:02:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/16-prov-xg-minutes.html trackbot 16:02:30 RRSAgent, bye 16:02:30 I see no action items