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19:56:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
19:56:19 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs, I see INC_SSN()4:00PM already started
19:56:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:   SSN XG
19:56:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair:     Laurent
19:57:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jul/0008.html
19:57:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jul/0006.html
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19:59:03 <Payam> zakim, IPCaller is me
19:59:04 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
19:59:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> Regrets: Arthur, Kerry, Luis
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20:07:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Comments on previous minutes
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20:08:23 <krp> zakim,  +44.797.376.aabb is me
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20:09:04 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
20:09:37 <krzysztof_j> i can
20:09:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> Scribenick: krzysztof
20:10:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Ontology preparation of delivery
20:10:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Documentation_Draft
20:15:32 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: we need to do the plain text definitions
20:17:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/VIM_terms
20:20:37 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms
20:21:25 <krzysztof_j> hello?
20:21:35 <Payam> we can also look at the commercial sensor factsheets: https://www.airtest.com/support/technical/sensorcharacteristic.htm
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20:22:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent introduces the two updated list of references
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20:23:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> R. Singh, K.V. Gernaey and R.Gani, An ontological knowledge-based system for the selection of process monitoring and analysis tools, Computers & Chemical Engineering, Volume 34, Issue 7, Process Modeling and Control in Drug Development and Manufacturing, 14 July 2010, Pages 1137-1154, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.compchemeng.2010.04.011
20:24:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> Paper used for the Measurement capabilities: Singh et al
20:24:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> J. Shieh, J. E. Huber, N. A. Fleck, M. F. Ashby, The selection of sensors, Progress in Materials Science, Volume 46, Issues 3-4, 2001, Pages 461-504, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0079-6425(00)00011-6
20:24:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> This paper provides the knowledge for the selection of sensors
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20:25:44 <krzysztof_j> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
20:25:44 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
20:26:27 <krzysztof_j> ok
20:27:28 <krp> Do you mean that those things have gone from the new O&M spec?
20:27:35 <krp> (the less than ideal things?)
20:27:44 <krp> cool
20:29:04 <krp> was it the measurement time bits? which were a bit messing terms wise
20:29:47 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: terms in the wiki updates to O&M 2.0. the new terms seem to address our needs and concerns in a better way
20:30:46 <krp> yes, we did
20:31:13 <krp> when does the new O&M spec become public? (which is when there's an OGC version, isn't it?)
20:31:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> phenomenon time (O&M): The phenomenon time shall describe the time that the result applies to the property of the feature-of-interest. This is often the time of interaction by a sampling procedure or observation procedure with a real-world feature. 
20:32:33 <krp> thanks
20:34:06 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: check whether we need or should adapt our ontologies to the new O&M 2.0
20:34:47 <krzysztof_j> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Documentation_Draft
20:37:28 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Ontology completion of pending tasks 
20:37:59 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent (for Michael) explaining the status of the work in progress
20:38:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Operating_Model 
20:38:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices 
20:40:52 <krzysztof_j> Payam: like it, continue on it (Payam, can you add deatils if any)
20:41:49 <Payam> Attributes related to sensor node such as storage capacity, transmission are taken out - which is good; it focuses on sensors
20:41:56 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: The survival ranges, operating ranges, deployment part is at the core of our work
20:42:30 <Payam> Michael has also suggested to add a superclass for survival/operating range which also is a good suggestion
20:43:02 <krzysztof_j> (who is this?)
20:44:50 <krzysztof_j> Andriy: work on "smart products" projekt which attachs sensors to certain products (e.g., cars,...)
20:46:02 <Payam> +1
20:47:06 <krzysztof_j> Payam: we need more work on the location part (location of sensor versus location of FOI,...)
20:47:37 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:49:06 <krzysztof_j> krzysztof_j: the location is again an observation, e.g., by a GPS acting as sensor
20:49:29 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: yes, by chained observations (giving context to each other)
20:51:22 <Payam> +1
20:51:25 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs:  do we have some fixed examples to use
20:51:52 <krzysztof_j> Payam: what kind of example do we need? a use case?
20:52:08 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: basically the ABox part
20:52:11 <Payam> +1
20:52:37 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:53:25 <krzysztof_j> laurent_lefort_cs: we need to populate the ontologies to show how it works
20:53:31 <krzysztof_j> yes!
20:53:49 <krzysztof_j> -q
20:53:52 <Payam> +q
20:56:07 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack payam
20:58:50 <krzysztof_j> ACTION: give feedback on the wikipage on deployment, etc and identify what is missing
20:58:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - give
20:59:10 <krzysztof_j> ACTION: ALL, give feedback on the wikipage on deployment, etc and identify what is missing
20:59:10 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL,
21:03:01 <krzysztof_j> bye bye
21:03:02 <Zakim> -Payam
21:03:04 <krp> Thanks, bye
21:03:06 <Payam> bye
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21:04:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.206.662.aaaa, Payam, laurent_lefort_cs, Andriy, krp, krzysztof_j
21:05:37 <laurent_lefort_cs> Attendees: David, Payam, Andriy, Kevin, Krzysztof and Laurent
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