14:59:36 RRSAgent has joined #xproc 14:59:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-xproc-irc 14:59:40 Zakim has joined #xproc 14:59:45 zakim, this is xproc 14:59:46 Norm, I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be xproc". 14:59:51 zakim, this will be xproc 14:59:51 ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 15:00:36 alexmilowski has joined #xproc 15:01:20 zakim, please call ht-781 15:01:20 ok, ht; the call is being made 15:01:21 XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started 15:01:22 +Ht 15:01:57 +[IPcaller] 15:01:58 -[IPcaller] 15:01:58 +[IPcaller] 15:02:16 +Carine 15:03:19 + +1.413.624.aaaa 15:03:22 zakim, aaaa is Norm 15:03:22 +Norm; got it 15:03:26 zakim, who's here? 15:03:26 On the phone I see Ht, [IPcaller], Carine, Norm 15:03:29 On IRC I see alexmilowski, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, ht, caribou 15:03:47 zakim, ipcaller is Alex 15:03:47 +Alex; got it 15:04:02 Meeting: XML Processing Model WG 15:04:02 Date: 8 July 2010 15:04:02 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/08-agenda 15:04:02 Meeting: 177 15:04:02 Chair: Norm 15:04:03 Scribe: Norm 15:04:05 ScribeNick: Norm 15:04:42 Regrets: Paul, Mohamed 15:04:50 Present: Henry, Alex, Carine, Norm 15:05:19 Topic: Accept this agenda? 15:05:20 -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/08-agenda 15:05:26 Accepted. 15:05:33 s/Accepted.// 15:05:43 Henry: I'd like to talk about an addition to XProc for 1.1. 15:07:20 Norm: Ok. 15:07:31 Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting? 15:07:31 -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/01-minutes 15:07:38 Accepted. 15:07:44 Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 15 July 2010? 15:08:34 Henry gives regrets for 15 July through 5 August. 15:09:13 Topic: Comments on WD 15:09:41 Norm: I don't think there have been any new comments and I failed to follow up with Bjoern, so I don't think there's anything here this week. 15:10:01 Norm: Henry, how goes the draft wrt the whitespace issue (invariants) 15:10:05 Henry: No progress so far. 15:10:57 Topic: Review latest editor's draft 15:11:24 Carine: I'm not comfortable with four profiles. There seems to be little justification for that level of granularity. 15:11:58 ...It ends up being a do-it-yourself profile with whatever bits you want. I understand that some of the concern came from the browsers not doing much. 15:12:15 ...It's probably ok to have a very small browser profile, do we need three more? 15:12:42 ...It seems a bit useless to have that many. 15:13:16 Henry: I think that's a good point. I guess I remain moderately hopeful that looking at the different invariants will give us a reason for making these distinctions. 15:13:57 Norm: I guess we need three and if we have only three then there will be one obviously missing. 15:14:30 Henry: We went ahead and added them when people suggested them and before we publish, or in the next draft, we might call out explicitly the question of whether we need them all and see what people say. 15:14:33 Norm: Sounds good to me. 15:15:11 ...But I'm waffling about it. 15:15:44 ACTION: Henry to add a note to the draft raising the question of whether we really need *four* profiles. 15:16:21 Carine: That's fine by me. It just looks like the 'pizza menu problem' in the US. There are all those names. 15:18:07 Carine: I think some note that suggested how each profile might be used would be helpful. 15:18:39 Norm: That sounds like a good idea to me, we should have suggested uses for the profiles before we're done. 15:18:57 Topic: Possible XProc 1.1 feature 15:19:36 Henry: I keep ending up writing vastly more structure than I need to in order to build a fragment with a bit of content from the context. 15:19:48 ...It would be useful to have a single template rule. 15:20:21 ...Maybe it would be sufficient in XProc to allow a version of inline in which XSLT curly brace rules apply. Or more likely XQuery curly brace rules apply. 15:21:45 Norm: Yes, I've been there. Figuring out how to get that into XProc is what's been a stumbling block for me. 15:21:56 Topic: Any other business? 15:22:03 None heard. 15:22:14 -Ht 15:22:15 Adjourned. 15:22:16 -Alex 15:22:17 -Norm 15:22:19 -Carine 15:22:19 XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended 15:22:21 Attendees were Ht, Carine, +1.413.624.aaaa, Norm, Alex 15:22:24 rrsagent, set logs world visible 15:22:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:22:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-xproc-minutes.html Norm 15:55:51 Norm, please add me (HenrySThompson) to the wiki 15:56:25 Done 15:56:31 Tnx 17:27:23 Zakim has left #xproc 17:49:29 rrsagent, bye 17:49:29 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-xproc-actions.rdf : 17:49:29 ACTION: Henry to add a note to the draft raising the question of whether we really need *four* profiles. [1] 17:49:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-xproc-irc#T15-15-44