16:03:39 RRSAgent has joined #ua 16:03:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-ua-irc 16:03:41 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:03:41 Zakim has joined #ua 16:03:43 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 16:03:43 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 57 minutes 16:03:44 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 16:03:44 Date: 08 July 2010 16:04:11 chair: JimAllan_KellyFord 16:50:18 Agenda+ Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item 16:50:19 Agenda+ review Promoting most recent working draft and getting to last call (we need comments) 16:50:21 Agenda+ Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions 16:50:23 Agenda+ Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup 16:55:20 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 16:55:27 + +1.512.206.aaaa 16:55:37 zakim, aaaa is me 16:55:37 +AllanJ; got it 16:55:41 kford has joined #ua 16:56:18 zakim, agenda? 16:56:18 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 16:56:19 1. Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item [from AllanJ] 16:56:22 2. review Promoting most recent working draft and getting to last call (we need comments) [from AllanJ] 16:56:25 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 16:56:27 4. Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup [from AllanJ] 16:57:54 rrsagent, make minutes 16:57:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-ua-minutes.html kford 16:57:57 regrets: mhakkinen 16:58:16 +[Microsoft] 16:58:19 Greg has joined #ua 16:58:25 zakim, microsoft is kford 16:58:25 +kford; got it 16:59:29 + +1.425.895.aabb 17:00:33 jeanne has joined #ua 17:00:59 zakim, aabb is me 17:00:59 +Greg; got it 17:01:06 +Jeanne 17:01:38 regrets for Jeanne for next week 17:02:13 partial regrets for Jeanne, need to leave before 2 17:03:37 sharper has joined #ua 17:04:47 agenda+ Evaluate ATAG LC draft from UAAG 17:04:47 Zakim, code? 17:04:48 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sharper 17:05:13 + +1.617.325.aacc 17:05:33 +??P4 17:05:36 zakim, ??P4 is sharper 17:05:36 +sharper; got it 17:05:47 zakim, aacc is really kim 17:05:47 I don't understand 'aacc is really kim', jeanne 17:05:52 KimPatch has joined #ua 17:06:03 zakim, aacc is KimPatch 17:06:03 +KimPatch; got it 17:07:44 zakim, who is here? 17:07:44 On the phone I see AllanJ, kford, Greg, Jeanne, KimPatch, sharper 17:07:45 On IRC I see KimPatch, sharper, jeanne, Greg, kford, Zakim, RRSAgent, AllanJ, trackbot 17:11:38 http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html#docketDetail?R=ATBCB-2010-0001 17:14:04 Scribe: kford 17:14:21 zakim, agenda? 17:14:21 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 17:14:23 1. Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item [from AllanJ] 17:14:26 2. review Promoting most recent working draft and getting to last call (we need comments) [from AllanJ] 17:14:28 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 17:14:30 4. Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup [from AllanJ] 17:14:32 5. Evaluate ATAG LC draft from UAAG [from jeanne] 17:14:46 zakim, take up item 5 17:14:46 agendum 5. "Evaluate ATAG LC draft from UAAG" taken up [from jeanne] 17:15:28 JS: Expresses much joy that authoring tool accessibility guidelines goes to last call. 17:15:51 JS: ATAG needs UAAG to review. Comments are due Sept. 2. 17:16:29 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ATAG20-20100708/ 17:17:01 JS: Like UAAG, our implementing doc is likely easier to read, that is ATAG. 17:17:18 JA: Do we want to do this as a group or individually? 17:17:44 JA: We will put this on a future agenda and come back with a comment as UAAG. 17:18:27 implementing ATAG http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20100708/ 17:19:26 JS: One thing I learned from ATAG is how problematic it is to let comments linger until last call. 17:20:10 zakim, close item 5 17:20:10 agendum 5, Evaluate ATAG LC draft from UAAG, closed 17:20:11 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:20:13 1. Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item [from AllanJ] 17:20:19 zakim, take up item 2 17:20:19 agendum 2. "review Promoting most recent working draft and getting to last call (we need comments)" taken up [from AllanJ] 17:20:59 JS: Make the effort now to get comments on UAAG. 17:22:10 JS: Working on form to send to list that people can use to get feedback. 17:23:34 Group discusses strategy for getting feedback comments. 17:26:08 c 17:26:16 ChromeVis: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/halnfobaneppemjnonmmhngbfifnafgd 17:27:49 zakim, close item 2 17:27:49 agendum 2, review Promoting most recent working draft and getting to last call (we need comments), closed 17:27:51 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:27:52 1. Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item [from AllanJ] 17:28:51 zakim, take up item 1 17:28:51 agendum 1. "Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item" taken up [from AllanJ] 17:41:38 all: discussion of implementation tracking spreadsheet. 17:44:10 group looking at doc for tracking UAAG. 17:46:44 ... added a comment field. need to include comments to expand on how an item was met, test used, sample page, any other tools used (screen reader, extension, etc.) 17:50:12 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/UAWG20100707/ 17:50:21 Group continues to look at shared doc. Looking like we will stick with this version for working within group for now. 17:51:11 As you are able start updating browser details. 17:51:12 -Jeanne 17:55:34 zakim, agenda? 17:55:34 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 17:55:36 1. Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item [from AllanJ] 17:55:38 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 17:55:41 4. Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup [from AllanJ] 17:55:43 zakim, close item 1 17:55:43 agendum 1, Tracking UAAG implementations - Google Group (Kim) Action item, closed 17:55:45 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:55:46 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 18:03:12 zakim, agenda? 18:03:12 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda: 18:03:13 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 18:03:15 4. Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup [from AllanJ] 18:03:24 zakim, take up item 4 18:03:24 agendum 4. "Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup" taken up [from AllanJ] 18:04:20 JA: HTML accessibility task force media subgroup working on requirements for audio and video accessibility. 18:04:47 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements 18:05:37 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010JulSep/0003.html 18:05:42 JA: Group has been making progress and reaching the point where they want some clarifications on items. 18:07:21 JA: Gave example of cc button showing up when a media track has cc available. 18:12:35 GL: A user might say in preference settings that they want doc to reflow to handle changes by automatic content or alternative such as image replacement with alt text. 18:13:54 An example of user control over how overflow is handled would be that the user can set a preference setting saying they want documents to reflow to accomodate elements growing or shrinking in response to automatically generated content (like link numbering) or the substitution of alternative content (such as alt or longdesc). 18:14:59 Then, the user may encounter a particular element (e.g. an image) where the substitution makes the page unusuble, so they could right-click on it and choose to have that element not grow, but instead have scroll bars, thus preventing the rest of the page from being effected. 18:15:53 KP: When we talked about this earlier we talked about an option where there might be some drop down option instead of scroll bars. 18:16:37 GL: This was just one example. There are likely at lest five ways of handling overflow content. 18:18:27 JA: I am preparing another set of clarification questions. 18:19:30 JA: Would be great if people could look at the requirements doc once and see what they think. 18:21:44 rrsagent, make minutes 18:21:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-ua-minutes.html kford 18:21:53 zakim, agenda? 18:21:53 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda: 18:21:54 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 18:21:57 4. Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup [from AllanJ] 18:22:03 zakim, close item 4 18:22:03 agendum 4, Update HTML-A11Y Media Subgroup, closed 18:22:04 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 18:22:06 3. Work on techniques for Principle 1: Comply with applicable specifications and conventions [from AllanJ] 18:23:20 -sharper 18:23:22 -KimPatch 18:23:35 -kford 18:23:39 -Greg 18:23:43 -AllanJ 18:23:44 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 18:23:45 Attendees were +1.512.206.aaaa, AllanJ, kford, +1.425.895.aabb, Greg, Jeanne, +1.617.325.aacc, sharper, KimPatch 18:26:34 Present: Kelly, Simon, Jeanne, Jim, Greg, Kim 18:26:41 rrsagent, make minutes 18:26:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-ua-minutes.html kford 18:28:53 zakim, please part 18:28:53 Zakim has left #ua 18:29:26 rrsagent, make minutes 18:29:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/08-ua-minutes.html kford