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12:59:12 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
12:59:12 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
12:59:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:   SSN XG
12:59:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair:     Laurent
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13:00:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jul/0001.html
13:00:04 <Payam> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:00:04 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
13:00:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jul/0001.html
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13:00:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> Regrets: Kerry, Sumita, Cory, David
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13:02:03 <michael> zakim, ??P2 is me
13:02:03 <Zakim> +michael; got it
13:02:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
13:02:17 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
13:02:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim,who's there?
13:02:29 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, laurent_lefort_cs.
13:02:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim,who's on the call?
13:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Payam, michael, laurent_lefort_cs
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13:04:05 <Arthur> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:04:06 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
13:04:09 <Zakim> + +44.190.865.aabb
13:04:19 <Andriy> zakim, aabb is me
13:04:19 <Zakim> +Andriy; got it
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13:04:46 <Zakim> +??P12
13:04:57 <krzysztof_j> zakim, ??P12 is me
13:04:57 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
13:06:42 <laurent_lefort_cs> ScribeNick: arthur
13:07:45 <Arthur> Topic: What happens after the XG
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13:11:19 <krzysztof_j> yes
13:11:26 <Arthur> round table with everyone to see how we are going to use/maintain the SSN ontology further
13:12:15 <Zakim> +??P16
13:12:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> Andriy : It is important to put it somewhere. My project has different 
13:12:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> K: Sourceforge rather than W3C - because it would open 
13:12:26 <krzysztof_j> summary: put it online at sourceforge, make it available, use the sourceforge infrastructure, continue to work on it and keep it alive)
13:12:31 <krp> zakim, ??P16 is me
13:12:31 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:13:01 <krzysztof_j> laurent: yes, you are right, not everybody - but the people who are respeonsible
13:13:12 <krzysztof_j> ack
13:13:15 <krzysztof_j> +1
13:15:42 <Arthur> Luis: It is imortant to maintain the ontolgy further and to have a maintainer
13:15:42 <krp> ok, thanks
13:16:30 <Arthur> Laurent: It can be continued it by using the mailing list, which will stay open
13:18:16 <krzysztof_j> +q
13:19:01 <Arthur> Somebody proposed to use sourceforge
13:19:23 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:19:37 <krzysztof_j> ack
13:19:51 <Arthur> Laurent: openeing the group to more people to benefit of the W3C groups work
13:19:55 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Luis_Bermudez
13:20:22 <krzysztof_j> I agree with luis!
13:21:32 <krzysztof_j> (we can still have release managers responsible for the stable versions)
13:22:14 <Arthur> ... stability and closenes to other organisations (OGC,...) is ipmortant
13:22:34 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:23:28 <Arthur> ... Is there some comunity to maintain the different usecases in the future?
13:24:25 <krzysztof_j> me
13:24:40 <Payam> +1
13:24:44 <michael> me
13:24:48 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:24:55 <krzysztof_j> -Q
13:24:57 <krp> +q
13:25:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Luis_Bermudez
13:25:48 <krzysztof_j> (@arthur: the ontology as such should be free of a use case, these should be added on the level of application ontologies)
13:25:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krp
13:27:07 <michael> +q
13:27:30 <krzysztof_j> ack!
13:28:02 <Arthur> Laurent: shall the ontology be freezed at the end of the SSNXG and the further developenent continued somewhere else?
13:31:00 <Arthur> Michael: need some kind of checkpointing/versioning of the ontology
13:31:15 <krzysztof_j> (for instance, I am not a W3C member)
13:33:01 <Arthur> Laurent: How and where to host the further developement?
13:33:25 <krp> +q
13:33:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
13:34:26 <krzysztof_j> ack
13:35:35 <krp> that is, after a transition period
13:36:20 <krp> where the XG deliverable version lives, or where following versions live?
13:36:34 <krp> (won't the deliverable version be perfect anyway? :)  )
13:38:06 <Arthur> Laurent: How many people here are going to continue working on the ontology?
13:40:10 <Luis_Bermudez> +1
13:40:47 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:41:25 <krp> So do you mean dissemination activities to other bodies like OGC?
13:41:45 <krzysztof_j> (the OGC is aware of our work)
13:42:07 <krp> Or input on incorporating the ontology into future OGC standard?
13:42:39 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:42:47 <krp> -q
13:42:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krp
13:44:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Luis_Bermudez
13:45:31 <krp> oh, sorry, geosparql
13:46:08 <Arthur> Luis: Shall we provide SPARQL kind of interface to the XXN ontology to open the work to the OGC?
13:50:08 <Arthur> Arthur: what possibilities do exist to keep maintaning of the SSN ontolgy inside the W3C?
13:51:53 <Arthur> Laurent: 1st possibility: continue developement inside a working group
13:52:15 <krzysztof_j> +q
13:52:36 <Luis_Bermudez> +q
13:53:55 <Arthur> ... 2nd possibility: ontology being maintained by an external party, which complies with the protocols of the W3C. The ontolgy would still be hosted by the W3C.
13:54:05 <krp> +1 - build the experience and momentum, then take it for further standardisation if desired
13:55:04 <krzysztof_j> hmm, 99,999% of the SW is not OGC but very interested in the semantic sensor web
13:55:14 <krp> +q
13:55:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krzystof_j
13:58:09 <krp> -q
14:00:05 <Arthur> krzystof_j: Doesn't want to take the developement of the ontolgy out of W3C, but make it more open also for non W3C people to participate in the work.
14:02:42 <krp> and there are other people working with sensors in the lab here affiliated in with other projects, who are potential users of the ontology
14:02:47 <Zakim> -krp
14:03:57 <krp> (I think the line has dropped for me - ok for everyone else?)
14:04:26 <michael> fine fore me
14:04:40 <Payam> fine for me also- I use Skype
14:04:46 <michael> +q
14:05:33 <michael> -q
14:05:48 <krzysztof_j> -q
14:05:49 <krp> Line dropped, and now can't get into conference room as we're over time.
14:07:23 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aaaa
14:07:26 <krzysztof_j> thanks laurent, by
14:07:30 <Zakim> -michael
14:07:31 <Zakim> -Payam
14:07:33 <Zakim> -krzysztof_j
14:07:34 <krzysztof_j> e
14:07:38 <Payam> thanks and bye
14:07:44 <michael> bye
14:07:49 <Zakim> -Andriy
14:08:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, who's making noise
14:08:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', laurent_lefort_cs
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14:16:42 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:17:41 <Zakim> -laurent_lefort_cs
14:17:42 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:17:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Payam, michael, laurent_lefort_cs, +1.202.408.aaaa, Arthur, +44.190.865.aabb, Andriy, krzysztof_j, krp
14:29:39 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
14:29:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:29:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:30:21 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/XXN/SSN/
14:31:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/comunity/community/
14:32:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/closenes/closeness/
14:32:37 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:32:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:32:46 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
14:33:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/respeonsible/responsible/
14:33:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/openeing/opening/
14:34:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/usecases/use cases/
14:35:09 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please generate minutes
14:35:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:42:33 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
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