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16:00:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
16:00:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:00:17 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
16:00:17 <trackbot> Date: 06 July 2010
16:00:28 <mphillip> Chair: Eric
16:00:36 <mphillip> Scribe: Mark
16:00:53 <mphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Jul/0004.html
16:01:07 <mphillip> Regrets: Phil Adams, Amy Lewis
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16:04:32 <eric> Zakim, who is here?
16:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mark, +1.708.246.aaaa, +1.209.474.aabb, +1.781.280.aacc
16:04:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see eric, Derek, peaston, Zakim, RRSAgent, mphillip, Yves, trackbot
16:04:41 <eric> Zakim, aabb is eric
16:04:41 <Zakim> +eric; got it
16:05:13 <mphillip> TOPIC: Appointment of the scribe
16:05:15 <mphillip> Mark
16:05:25 <eric> Scribe: mphillip
16:05:30 <Derek> Zakim, aaa is Derek
16:05:30 <Zakim> sorry, Derek, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
16:05:40 <mphillip> TOPIC: Approval of prior meeting minutes
16:05:42 <Derek> Zakim, aaaa is Derek
16:05:42 <Zakim> +Derek; got it
16:06:14 <mphillip> No objections to approving the minutes
16:06:19 <mphillip> TOPIC: Review the agenda
16:07:34 <mphillip> No objections
16:07:45 <mphillip> TOPIC: Review action items
16:07:52 <mphillip> Eric - no progress on actions
16:07:56 <mphillip> Peter - no progress
16:09:21 <mphillip> Mark, 185 done, 188 still pending
16:09:30 <mphillip> close action-185
16:09:30 <trackbot> ACTION-185 Change the namespace to http://www.w3.org/2010/soapjms closed
16:10:10 <mphillip> Derek: 187 - reviewing the spec...
16:11:30 <mphillip> Derek:  In Binding spec section 2.2.3 we say that targetService MUST appear in requestURI but there is no corresponding fault or specified behaviour
16:12:33 <eric> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#binding-message-props
16:15:16 <mphillip> Mark: The receiver may not know that the targetService was specified and so may not me able to throw a fault
16:17:36 <mphillip> Eric: Agreed, this may be untestable - can test the positive but can't test the negative
16:20:29 <mphillip> Peter: There is an analagy with SOAP/HTTP if there is no match for soapAction and I have seen that handled in  several  ways
16:20:54 <eric> SOAP Action in SOAP 1.1: http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/NOTE-SOAP-20000508/#_Toc478383528
16:23:01 <mphillip> Derek: Will raise this as an issue for later discussion
16:23:41 <mphillip> close action-187
16:23:41 <trackbot> ACTION-187 Review the spec. looking for other items that will need to change - e.g. editorial notes / nits closed
16:24:00 <mphillip> action: Derek to raise an issue regarding targetService and the missing fault 
16:24:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Raise an issue regarding targetService and the missing fault  [on Derek Rokicki - due 2010-07-13].
16:24:27 <mphillip> TOPIC: Namespace discussion
16:24:44 <eric> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Jul/0002.html
16:25:03 <mphillip> Mark: For action 185
16:33:35 <mphillip> Mark: Describes changes for namespace
16:34:37 <mphillip> RESOLUTION: Changes approved, issue 39 can be closed 
16:34:53 <mphillip> TOPIC: URI Scheme 
16:34:55 <eric> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Jul/0001.html
16:41:35 <mphillip> Eric: Reads note from IETF reviewer - outling options
16:42:07 <mphillip> Eric: Provisional registration makes some sense
16:42:38 <mphillip> Eric: URN prefix is an option 
16:43:18 <mphillip> Consensus on call is that it is not the ideal option
16:44:32 <mphillip> Mark: Does provisional URI expire?
16:45:08 <mphillip> Eric: No, but it could be replaced either by a provisional or permanent URI
16:45:58 <mphillip> Eric: Provisional *should* block the registration of another "jms" URI unless the new one was demonstrably better
16:46:33 <mphillip> Eric: and IETF *should* look for backward compatibility before replacing a provisional URI
16:47:42 <mphillip> Eric: Can push to turn a provisional URI into a permanent URI but it could take some time
16:48:14 <mphillip> Mark: What's the provisional process?
16:48:18 <eric> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-merrick-jms-uri-07#section-9
16:49:53 <mphillip> We would change the status in section 9 of our document and re-submit as a provisional draft 
16:51:41 <mphillip> Mark: A colleague in IBM has a list of all the existing SOAP/JMS formats - perhaps we can use that to demonstrate this needs standardisation
16:52:19 <mphillip> action: mark to send list of known JMS URI formats to the SOAP/JMS list 
16:52:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - Send list of known JMS URI formats to the SOAP/JMS list  [on Mark Phillips - due 2010-07-13].
16:53:20 <mphillip> Eric: We would prefer to keep a URI rather than a URN so I will follow up on the procedure for provisional registration and find out how we would move forward to permanent  
16:53:42 <mphillip> action eric to Investigate provisional uri process and how we would move forward after that
16:53:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-193 - Investigate provisional uri process and how we would move forward after that [on Eric Johnson - due 2010-07-13].
16:56:20 <mphillip> TOPIC: Moving to PR (via CR)
16:56:52 <mphillip> Eric: We will need to prepare a document detailing the differences since the last CR, so we will discuss that work next week
16:56:59 <mphillip> TOPIC: AOB
16:57:08 <mphillip> None
16:57:17 <Zakim> -Mark
16:57:18 <Zakim> -eric
16:57:18 <Zakim> -Derek
16:57:43 <mphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:57:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-soap-jms-minutes.html mphillip
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17:05:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Mark, +1.708.246.aaaa, +1.209.474.aabb, +1.781.280.aacc, eric, Derek
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