IRC log of xproc on 2010-07-01

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14:59:24 [MoZ]
Norm, thank _you_!
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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 1 July 2010
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/01-agenda
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Meeting: 176
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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+Ht
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15:02:07 [Norm]
zakim, what's the passcode?
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+Jeroen
15:02:16 [Vojtech]
zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
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+Vojtech; got it
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+[ArborText]
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+Norm
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zakim, jeroen is Vojtech
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zakim, who's on the phone?
15:03:05 [Zakim]
sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named 'jeroen'
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On the phone I see Ht, Vojtech, PGrosso, Norm
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Regrets: Mohamed
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Regrets: Mohamed, Alex
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Present: Norm, Henry, Vojtech, Paul
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/01-agenda
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Accepted.
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/24-minutes
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Accepted.
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 8 July 2010?
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Paul and Vojtech give regrets
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Topic: XProc Errata
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-proposed-errata
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Norm: Anyone have any questions or comments about E01 and/or E02?
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...Hearing none, I propose that we accept them.
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Accepted.
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Some discussion of what to do next; updating the errata document is the answer.
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ACTION: Norm to construct an update to the errata document pointed to from the spec and pass it off to someone who can update it.
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Norm: Vojtech, you had a question about namespace bindings.
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Vojtech: Yes, in 5.7.5, in the first list, there are rules about how to construct namespace bindings.
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...The way I understand it now, if an XPath expression returns a sequence of nodes, then we use the in-scope namespace bindings off the first node if the expression returns a node set.
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Norm: I think that exists so that if an expression selects a QName in content, the right namespace bindings are carried forward.
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General agreement that everything is ok.
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Topic: Editor's draft of XML Processor Profiles
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles
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Some discussion of Paul's comment
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2010Jun/0026.html
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Henry: I think this would be clearer if we changed "conformant processor" to "conformant XProc processor" in that sentence.
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Paul: I think that could be clearer.
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...I'm happy to leave the improvements to the editor.
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Norm: Paul also asks about a profile that's smaller than "minimum". I don't feel strongly about the names.
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Norm: How about "minimum", "basic", "modest", and "recommended"
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Paul: That sounds good.
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Norm: Anyone have concerns about these names?
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None heard.
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Norm: Paul's last comment is mostly editorial, but I agree.
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General agreement that it should read "reading and processing" as Paul suggests.
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Henry: Perhaps I should report on my action to add something about invariants
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...I've started. Looking over the XML Spec again, it's not going to be as nice as I'd like.
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...The best I can do for the first two profiles (which don't read any external markup) is to say things in two parts.
15:29:15 [Norm]
...For documents which are, or should be, standalone=yes and for documents which are standalone=no
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...Because for documents which are standalone=no, if you don't read the external subset there isn't much you can say.
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...You aren't gauranteed to get much at all.
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...The most you can say is that you'll get the document element name and attributes (provided they don't contain entity references)
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...But almost no one bothers with standalone="yes" and the default is standalone="no", so it'll be tricky to get right.
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...Especially since processors aren't required to report unexpanded entities.
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Henry: But the other two are easier and I think we can get somewhere with them.
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...The scope for variation is reduced after the external subset has been read and processed.
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Norm summarizes the state of the issues list, not much progress to be made today
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Topic: Any other business
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-Norm
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-Vojtech
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Adjourned
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-PGrosso
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rrsagent, set logs world visible
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-Ht
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Ht, Vojtech, Norm, PGrosso
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rrsagent draft minutes
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-xproc-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Norm to construct an update to the errata document pointed to from the spec and pass it off to someone who can update it. [1]
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