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14:59:24 <MoZ> Norm, thank _you_!
14:59:45 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:59:45 <Norm> Date: 1 July 2010
14:59:45 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/01-agenda
14:59:45 <Norm> Meeting: 176
14:59:45 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:59:46 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:59:48 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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15:01:49 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
15:01:49 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
15:01:50 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
15:01:52 <Zakim> +Ht
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15:02:07 <Norm> zakim, what's the passcode?
15:02:09 <Zakim> +Jeroen
15:02:16 <Vojtech> zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech
15:02:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
15:02:24 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
15:02:31 <Zakim> +[ArborText]
15:02:49 <Zakim> +Norm
15:02:58 <Norm> zakim, jeroen is Vojtech
15:03:02 <Norm> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:03:05 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named 'jeroen'
15:03:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ht, Vojtech, PGrosso, Norm
15:03:16 <Norm> Regrets: Mohamed
15:03:59 <Norm> Regrets: Mohamed, Alex
15:05:07 <Norm> Present: Norm, Henry, Vojtech, Paul
15:05:14 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:05:14 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/07/01-agenda
15:05:26 <Norm> Accepted.
15:05:31 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:05:31 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/24-minutes
15:05:34 <Norm> Accepted.
15:05:38 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 8 July 2010?
15:06:00 <Norm> Paul and Vojtech give regrets
15:06:23 <Norm> Topic: XProc Errata
15:06:34 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-proposed-errata
15:06:55 <Norm> Norm: Anyone have any questions or comments about E01 and/or E02?
15:07:02 <Norm> ...Hearing none, I propose that we accept them.
15:07:11 <Norm> Accepted.
15:08:21 <Norm> Some discussion of what to do next; updating the errata document is the answer.
15:08:59 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to construct an update to the errata document pointed to from the spec and pass it off to someone who can update it.
15:10:07 <Norm> Norm: Vojtech, you had a question about namespace bindings.
15:11:06 <Norm> Vojtech: Yes, in 5.7.5, in the first list, there are rules about how to construct namespace bindings.
15:11:47 <Norm> ...The way I understand it now, if an XPath expression returns a sequence of nodes, then we use the in-scope namespace bindings off the first node if the expression returns a node set.
15:14:14 <Norm> Norm: I think that exists so that if an expression selects a QName in content, the right namespace bindings are carried forward.
15:15:03 <Norm> General agreement that everything is ok.
15:15:21 <Norm> Topic: Editor's draft of XML Processor Profiles
15:15:34 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles
15:17:32 <Norm> Some discussion of Paul's comment
15:18:19 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2010Jun/0026.html
15:18:54 <Norm> Henry: I think this would be clearer if we changed "conformant processor" to "conformant XProc processor" in that sentence.
15:19:00 <Norm> Paul: I think that could be clearer.
15:20:19 <Norm> ...I'm happy to leave the improvements to the editor.
15:21:14 <Norm> Norm: Paul also asks about a profile that's smaller than "minimum". I don't feel strongly about the names.
15:22:11 <Norm> Norm: How about "minimum", "basic", "modest", and "recommended"
15:22:16 <Norm> Paul: That sounds good.
15:23:11 <Norm> Norm: Anyone have concerns about these names?
15:23:13 <Norm> None heard.
15:24:17 <Norm> Norm: Paul's last comment is mostly editorial, but I agree.
15:27:00 <Norm> General agreement that it should read "reading and processing" as Paul suggests.
15:27:52 <Norm> Henry: Perhaps I should report on my action to add something about invariants
15:28:16 <Norm> ...I've started. Looking over the XML Spec again, it's not going to be as nice as I'd like.
15:28:56 <Norm> ...The best I can do for the first two profiles (which don't read any external markup) is to say things in two parts.
15:29:15 <Norm> ...For documents which are, or should be, standalone=yes and for documents which are standalone=no
15:29:29 <Norm> ...Because for documents which are standalone=no, if you don't read the external subset there isn't much you can say.
15:29:49 <Norm> ...You aren't gauranteed to get much at all.
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15:30:46 <Norm> ...The most you can say is that you'll get the document element name and attributes (provided they don't contain entity references)
15:31:18 <Norm> ...But almost no one bothers with standalone="yes" and the default is standalone="no", so it'll be tricky to get right.
15:31:34 <Norm> ...Especially since processors aren't required to report unexpanded entities.
15:31:45 <Norm> Henry: But the other two are easier and I think we can get somewhere with them.
15:31:59 <Norm> ...The scope for variation is reduced after the external subset has been read and processed.
15:32:59 <Norm> Norm summarizes the state of the issues list, not much progress to be made today
15:33:52 <Norm> Topic: Any other business
15:34:07 <Zakim> -Norm
15:34:09 <Zakim> -Vojtech
15:34:09 <Norm> Adjourned
15:34:10 <Zakim> -PGrosso
15:34:14 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world visible
15:34:15 <Zakim> -Ht
15:34:17 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
15:34:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Ht, Vojtech, Norm, PGrosso
15:34:18 <Norm> rrsagent draft minutes
15:34:25 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:34:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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17:38:44 <Norm> rrsagent, bye
17:38:44 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-xproc-actions.rdf :
17:38:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Norm to construct an update to the errata document pointed to from the spec and pass it off to someone who can update it. [1]
17:38:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-xproc-irc#T15-08-59