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13:50:05 <antoine> rrsagent, bookmark
13:50:05 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T13-50-05
13:50:20 <antoine> zakim, this will be lld
13:50:20 <Zakim> ok, antoine, I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM already started
13:50:45 <antoine> Meeting:   LLD XG
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13:50:56 <antoine> Chair:     Antoine
13:51:06 <antoine> Agenda:    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0108.html
13:51:16 <antoine> Previous:  2010-06-17 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/17-lld-minutes.html
13:51:38 <antoine> Regrets: Ray, Tom, Andras, Ed, Karen, Ross, Herbert, Nicolas, Oreste, Guenther, Kai, Martin, Carlo, Kim, Andrew
13:51:51 <antoine> rrsagent, please make record public
13:52:02 <antoine> zakin, who is here?
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13:52:15 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
13:52:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
13:52:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see TomB, AlexanderH, emma, RRSAgent, Zakim, michaelp, antoine, jeff_, mhausenblas, ed_, ww
13:52:59 <Zakim> + +1.614.764.aaaa
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13:55:26 <antoine> Scribe: Michael
13:55:32 <antoine> Scribenick: michaelp
13:56:18 <michaelp> Hi Antoine!
13:56:23 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:56:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-minutes.html antoine
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14:02:49 <bernard> boston number does not seem to work
14:02:55 <Zakim> + +1.330.655.aaee
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14:04:43 <bernard> zakim , mute me
14:05:01 <jneubert> hi zakim, aagg is pobably me
14:05:03 <dlukose> zakim, mute me
14:05:03 <Zakim> sorry, dlukose, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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14:05:36 <bernard> zakim, mute me
14:05:36 <Zakim> bernard should now be muted
14:06:06 <stu> can someone kindly point me to the link for the call info?
14:06:21 <antoine> +1-617-761-6200
14:06:31 <antoine> Call code: 55394#
14:06:41 <stu> thanks
14:07:00 <michaelp> Topic: Administrative
14:07:17 <Zakim> +??P31
14:07:26 <jodi> http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/alcts/confevents/upcoming/ala/ac10/linked.cfm
14:07:37 <GordonD> zakim, ??P31 is me
14:07:44 <Zakim> +GordonD; got it
14:07:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:08:08 <antoine> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/17-lld-minutes.html 
14:08:28 <michaelp> Antoine: Comments on the minutes of previous telecon?
14:08:59 <michaelp> RESOLVED: Accept minutes of previous week
14:10:17 <bernard> ok
14:10:17 <Zakim> + +016261aahh
14:10:22 <michaelp> Antoine: In the future, minutes should first be send to participants before going public.
14:10:47 <michaelp> ... to get accurate attendance record.
14:10:59 <GordonD> zakim, mute me
14:10:59 <Zakim> GordonD should now be muted
14:11:29 <jodi> I linked the intros I could find at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ParticipantIntroductions
14:11:52 <michaelp> ACTION: Introductions
14:11:54 <michaelp> --done
14:12:08 <antoine>  ACTION: All group members should please post an introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action01] 
14:12:11 <antoine> --DONE
14:12:21 <michaelp> ACTION: All group members should please post an introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action01]
14:12:23 <michaelp> --done
14:13:00 <michaelp> Jodi: Introductions are now collected on a wiki page.
14:13:42 <michaelp> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ParticipantIntroductions
14:14:07 <michaelp> Antoine: Availability for F2F meeting in Pittsburgh
14:14:23 <michaelp> ... we could sufficient feedback; many people can make the meeting.
14:14:34 <michaelp> ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your availability for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq  [recorded in  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action08]
14:14:37 <michaelp> --done
14:14:49 <antoine>  -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F 
14:15:47 <michaelp> Antoine: We can hold 2 day meeting after DC-2010 conference.
14:16:16 <michaelp> ... in the venue of the conference; October 23-24
14:16:30 <antoine> zakim, ack emma
14:16:30 <Zakim> emma, you wanted to ask about time schedule
14:16:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:16:33 <michaelp> ... ca. 19 attendees
14:17:07 <michaelp> ???: We could we start early on Sunday so people can make flights?
14:17:33 <michaelp> s/???/emma/
14:18:11 <michaelp> Antoine: We don't have to use up all the time. Probably we can have 1 or 1.5 days.
14:18:59 <stu> suggest 1.5 days to accommodate European travel and the desireability of an evening social to promote group cohesion
14:19:01 <michaelp> ... We can move the most important issues to the first day.
14:19:17 <michaelp> 1+
14:19:48 <emma> s/We could we start/We could end/
14:20:19 <michaelp> Antoine: The agenda shows definitive telecon schedule.
14:20:46 <antoine> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0101.html 
14:20:52 <michaelp> Antoine: Twitter hashtag discussion on mailing list
14:21:17 <michaelp> ... 2 proposals: #lldata vs. #lldxg
14:21:30 <stu> lldata
14:21:40 <matolat> lldata
14:21:41 <jneubert> lldata
14:21:48 <marcia> lldata
14:21:52 <bernard> lldata
14:22:10 <michaelp> Antoine: There seems to be preference for lldata.
14:22:17 <bernard> less cryptic :)
14:22:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-minutes.html emma
14:22:52 <michaelp> RESOLVED: #lldata hashtag to be used on Twitter 
14:23:28 <michaelp> Topic: Use cases and case studies
14:23:55 <antoine> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0107.html
14:24:33 <dlukose> i am disconnecting now, and will re-connect via skype in  a min...as soon as I re-connect, plese mute me.
14:24:51 <Zakim> -dlukose
14:25:11 <michaelp> Emmanuelle: We should be more specific about the goals of use cases
14:25:35 <Zakim> +??P36
14:25:39 <michaelp> ... Provenance XG goals were more generic 
14:26:31 <michaelp> Antoine: We need to get concrete cases to identify the technology issues 
14:26:55 <dlukose> i am re-connect now
14:26:57 <michaelp> .. but also abstract one to show community benefits of future applications of LD technology
14:27:22 <michaelp> Emmanuelle: This should be identified in the templates.
14:27:41 <jodi> zakim, +??P36 is dlukose
14:27:41 <Zakim> sorry, jodi, I do not recognize a party named '+??P36'
14:27:43 <jneubert> +1
14:27:54 <jodi> zakim, P36 is dlukose
14:27:54 <Zakim> sorry, jodi, I do not recognize a party named 'P36'
14:27:55 <dlukose> zakim, mute me
14:27:56 <Zakim> sorry, dlukose, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:28:06 <dlukose> zakim, mute me
14:28:06 <Zakim> dlukose should now be muted
14:28:24 <michaelp> Stu: What are we trying to do? What actions should be taken as results of our efforts?
14:28:56 <michaelp> ... Are we really trying to identify technology issues with concrete UCs?
14:29:43 <michaelp> ... Inventory of whats going on with LD in library community?
14:30:05 <michaelp> q+ about UC goals
14:30:18 <michaelp> q+
14:31:06 <michaelp> Stu: Suggesting future benefits is often not convincing. Suggesting implementation strategies might be.
14:31:25 <michaelp> Antoine: That is exactly the idea behind the UC idea.
14:32:07 <antoine> zakim, ack michaelp
14:32:07 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:32:33 <antoine> michaelp: the concrete is the abstract are not so far apart
14:32:51 <antoine> ... we are trying to align LD practices with library practices
14:32:52 <marcia> contextualize LD principles and align them with library practices
14:33:12 <marcia> no
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14:33:35 <antoine> michaelp: both could be accomodated here
14:33:41 <GordonD> I agree with Michael
14:33:51 <stu> q+
14:33:54 <AlexanderH> me too
14:34:04 <emma> +1 with Michael
14:34:50 <marcia> the 'topics' identified by the group can also be aligned with the UC data collected
14:34:54 <michaelp> Antoine: We can make the template flexible enough through discussion on mailing list.
14:35:24 <michaelp> Stu: What are the deliverables that would others prepare to take action?
14:35:48 <michaelp> ... around these data issues.
14:36:19 <michaelp> ... Report could identify the goal to make libraries more permanent on the web and then name strategies how this can be accomplished.
14:36:38 <michaelp> Antoine: Adressed by our technology deliverable.
14:36:44 <Zakim> + +35937aaii
14:36:54 <michaelp> Stu: Sounds good.
14:37:34 <GordonD> There are some big and general practical issues in libraryland that ld could resolve e.g. shared cataloguing; federated searching; user-assisted cataloguing - each might be an "abstract" uc
14:37:55 <michaelp> Emma: We must choose the UCs to advertise the use of linked data.
14:38:10 <michaelp> ... Provenance XG curated UCs into scenarios
14:38:34 <michaelp> Antoine: In terms of commonality?
14:38:54 <michaelp> Emma: Yes, to consolidate and extract common issues.
14:39:33 <michaelp> Antoine: Are there volunteers to come up with a new template?
14:39:41 <michaelp> Stu: I would be happy to help.
14:39:45 <Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on use case curation
14:40:22 <michaelp> Stu: I take the lead on this to understand UC approach better.
14:41:34 <michaelp> Alexander: It would be useful to see examples.
14:41:57 <antoine> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0116.html
14:42:07 <antoine> for example UCs
14:43:01 <michaelp> Michael: It would be useful to look at Provenance XG wiki for examples.
14:44:58 <michaelp> ACTION: Stu takes the lead on understanding UC approach better (with help of Emmanuelle)
14:45:12 <bernard> count me in also
14:45:34 <AlexanderH> i'm in too
14:45:45 <jeff_> I'm in
14:46:04 <antoine> s/Emmanuelle/Emmanuelle Jodi Bernard and Jeff
14:46:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-minutes.html emma
14:46:54 <dlukose> The W3C Semantic Web Deployment Working Group previously prepared a set of questionnaire. will this be someting that may be usefule in our initiative?
14:47:26 <jodi> post about LIBIS Swedish Union Catalog, regarding enrichment: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/4617
14:47:58 <jodi> here was the VIAF link in that email: http://outgoing.typepad.com/outgoing/2009/09/viaf-as-linked-data.html
14:48:10 <michaelp> ACTION: Alexander populated the template for VIAF UC  http://outgoing.typepad.com/outgoing/2009/09/viaf-as-linked-data.html
14:48:14 <jodi> sure :)
14:48:15 <antoine> s/LIBIS/LIBRIS
14:48:36 <michaelp> s/populated/to populate/
14:48:51 <dlukose> great...
14:48:59 <jeff_> I can help with VIAF UC
14:49:10 <AlexanderH> great
14:50:08 <antoine> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Poll_for_volunteers 
14:50:14 <michaelp> Antoine: I have started an informal poll for volunteers on the wiki.
14:50:34 <michaelp> ... either as contributor of UCs or as curator of UCs contributed by others.
14:51:21 <michaelp> ... The choice btween the approaches will be guided by how many people sign up for each.
14:51:33 <michaelp> s/btween/between/
14:51:56 <michaelp> Topic: Topics
14:52:08 <antoine> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics 
14:52:42 <michaelp> ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics [recorded in  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action02]
14:52:47 <michaelp> --continues
14:53:30 <michaelp> Antoine: Anybody who wants to curate the topics list?
14:53:40 <michaelp> Stu: Very important, very difficult.
14:54:05 <michaelp> ... What sort of curation do you expect?
14:54:20 <jneubert> +q to ask about the difference between "Describing library and museum authorities as Linked Data" and "Describing library and museum KOS Resources as Linked Data"
14:54:43 <michaelp> Antoine: I like us to be sure of general categories of topics/issues.
14:55:04 <michaelp> Stu: First pass: Make categories abstract and coherent?
14:56:31 <michaelp> Stu: I think we should ask Karen.
14:56:42 <marcia> +1
14:56:43 <matolat> +1 asking Karen
14:57:34 <michaelp> ACTION: Antoine to ask Karen Coyle to start curating topics list.
14:57:56 <Zakim> jneubert, you wanted to ask about the difference between "Describing library and museum authorities as Linked Data" and "Describing library and museum KOS Resources as Linked Data"
14:58:08 <michaelp> zakim, ack jneubert
14:58:09 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:58:18 <michaelp> q+
14:58:47 <michaelp> zakim, ack michaelp
14:58:47 <Zakim> unmuting michaelp
14:58:49 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:58:52 <marcia> agree
14:59:26 <michaelp> Joachim: Difference between "authorities" and "KOS resources"
14:59:42 <marcia> overlapping
14:59:50 <michaelp> ... name authority files mentioned in both topics
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15:00:01 <marcia> but authorities mustly were referred to name -related
15:00:08 <marcia> not concept schemes
15:00:14 <michaelp> Topic: Demos
15:00:29 <michaelp> Antoine: Lead by Karen
15:00:38 <michaelp> Topic: Technology and best practices
15:00:59 <michaelp> Antoine: Assessment of technology pieces and vocabularies is on the list of deliverables.
15:01:30 <michaelp> ... I hope the we now are more inline with respect to this document.
15:01:48 <michaelp> Topic: Other topics
15:02:23 <michaelp> Antoine: Community building and outreach could be dormant for the moment.
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15:02:57 <michaelp> Antoine: Events that members attending or presenting at
15:04:09 <michaelp> ... My proposal is to create a section on the wiki for these events.
15:04:13 <marcia> Linked Library Data Un-Meeting @ ALA Annual Friday, June 25, 2010, 9am-12pm Hyatt Regency Washington on Capitol Hill, Regency A room
15:04:16 <jodi> +1 to events section
15:04:21 <marcia> Karan's
15:05:03 <marcia> +1 mp's event section on the wiki
15:05:40 <michaelp> Antoine: Groups life and processes: please send feedback to the group about topics you would like us to focus on.
15:05:57 <michaelp> [adjourned]
15:06:08 <michaelp> zakim, list attendees
15:06:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been antoine, +1.614.764.aaaa, +1.614.764.aabb, michaelp, +03315379aacc, emma, jeff_, +1.856.528.aadd, jodi, AlexanderH, matolat,
15:06:12 <Zakim> ... +1.330.655.aaee, marcia, +39.714.8.aaff, bernard, +49.173.609.aagg, jneubert, GordonD, stu, +016261aahh, dlukose, +35937aaii, fumi
15:06:17 <bernard> bye
15:06:19 <jodi> thanks! bye!
15:06:19 <Zakim> -matolat
15:06:21 <Zakim> -jeff_
15:06:22 <fumi> bye
15:06:25 <jneubert> bye
15:06:26 <Zakim> -stu
15:06:27 <Zakim> -jodi
15:06:28 <Zakim> -fumi
15:06:29 <GordonD> zakim, bye
15:06:29 <Zakim> Zakim has left #lld
15:06:29 <Zakim> -bernard
15:06:29 <jodi> jodi has left #LLD
15:06:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were antoine, +1.614.764.aaaa, +1.614.764.aabb, michaelp, +03315379aacc, emma, jeff_, +1.856.528.aadd, jodi, AlexanderH, matolat,
15:06:31 <matolat> bye
15:06:33 <Zakim> ... +1.330.655.aaee, marcia, +39.714.8.aaff, bernard, +49.173.609.aagg, jneubert, GordonD, stu, +016261aahh, dlukose, +35937aaii, fumi
15:07:19 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:07:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:10:23 <antoine> zakim, bye
15:10:38 <antoine> rrsagent, bye
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-actions.rdf :
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Introductions [1]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-11-52
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All group members should please post an introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action01]  [2]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-12-08
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All group members should please post an introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action01] [3]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-12-21
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your availability for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq  [recorded in  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action08] [4]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-14-34
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Stu takes the lead on understanding UC approach better (with help of Emmanuelle) [5]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-44-58
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alexander populated the template for VIAF UC  http://outgoing.typepad.com/outgoing/2009/09/viaf-as-linked-data.html [6]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-48-10
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics [recorded in  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action02] [7]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-52-42
15:10:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to ask Karen Coyle to start curating topics list. [8]
15:10:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-lld-irc#T14-57-34