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15:59:22 Zakim, this will be HTML
15:59:22 HTML matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM
15:59:23 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:23 Date: 24 June 2010
15:59:28 zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:59:28 ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:39 taptapir: It'll only halt if you do lots and lots of computation in the script, or use alert or synchronous XMLHttpRequest etc
15:59:40 Philip: hmm that should work thanks
15:59:58 taptapir: Hmm, if you want to continue discussion then I suggest #whatwg on Freenode since it'll get noisy in here for a bit
16:00:25 +Sam
16:00:28 Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:00:28 On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, ??P12, Sam
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16:00:37 -??P12
16:00:39 bugmail: [Bug 10009] excellent thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0351.html> 4** [Bug 10010] excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0350.html> 4** [Bug 10010] New: excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0349.html> 4** [Bug 10009] New: excellent thank you for all <11http://lis
16:01:12 +Michael_Cooper
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16:01:34 +[Microsoft]
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16:01:40 zakim, call janina
16:01:40 ok, janina; the call is being made
16:01:41 Mark Foladare (Mark) fro AT&T is on the phone
16:01:42 +Janina
16:01:43 + +1.206.850.aaaa
16:01:51 + +1.206.922.aabb
16:01:56 zakim, [Microsft] has paulc
16:01:56 sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsft]'
16:02:05 +[Microsoft.a]
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16:02:07 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:02:07 +paulc; got it
16:02:10 zakim, aabb is me
16:02:10 +adrianba; got it
16:02:13 scribe: paulc
16:02:33 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is krisk
16:02:33 +krisk; got it
16:03:13 + +1.415.595.aacc
16:03:31 zakim, +1.415.595.aacc is me
16:03:31 +mjs; got it
16:03:32 +??P27
16:03:49 zakim, call Mike
16:03:49 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:03:50 +Mike
16:03:51 Zakim, +??P27 is me
16:03:51 sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
16:03:56 topic: ACTION items due by Thu Jun 24
16:04:03 Zakim, P27 is me
16:04:04 sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'
16:04:11 Zakim, ?P27 is me
16:04:11 sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '?P27'
16:04:12 No action items to discuss
16:04:16 Zakim, ??P27 is me
16:04:16 +Julian; got it
16:04:24 topic: Items that close this week (by Thu Jun 24)
16:04:35 ISSUE-105?
16:04:36 issue-105?
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16:05:15 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:05:16 Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:33 ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
16:05:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:05:36 Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:39 ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
16:05:40 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:06:00 Status of 105: Objection from the Editor is being discussed.
16:06:30 The objection is being evaluated.
16:06:42 Janina: related to a proposal from Charles.
16:06:51 Janina: Should I report on this now?
16:07:16 Janina: A11Y TF made a proposal here which caused Charles to come forward.
16:07:39 Janina: The TF recommends that this discussion be done in the WG decision process.
16:08:14 Janina: It look like the people involved are working on another proposal which would include Charles's input.
16:08:57 No other discussion.
16:09:01 Issue-107?
16:09:01 ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open
16:09:01 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
16:09:03 Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:35 This change proposal passed , the editor made a change not exactly matching the proposed change and the change was not made in the WHAT WG spec.
16:09:46 This is being discussed on the mailing list.
16:10:08 Issue is still Open until the WG decision is verified as being made.
16:10:09 - +1.206.850.aaaa
16:10:16 Topic: New issues
16:10:27 None
16:10:33 Topic: New surveys
16:10:41 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-30-objection-poll/
16:10:44 + +1.206.850.aadd
16:10:48 There are 2 new surveys for Issue 30 and 88
16:10:51 Issue-30?
16:10:51 ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
16:10:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
16:10:53 Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:59 Issue-88?
16:10:59 ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open
16:10:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
16:11:00 Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:07 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/
16:11:16 Surveys opened June 23 and close on Wed Jun 30
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16:11:26 No discussion.
16:11:43 Topic Workgroup decisions
16:12:02 +Laura_Carlson
16:12:05 Issues-93, 95, 96 and 97 are awaiting Chair decision. No progress to report.
16:12:09 Issue-93
16:12:15 Issue-93?
16:12:15 ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- open
16:12:15 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
16:12:16 Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:20 Issue-95?
16:12:20 ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open
16:12:20 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
16:12:22 Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:27 Issue-96?
16:12:27 ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open
16:12:27 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
16:12:28 Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:32 Issue-97?
16:12:32 ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open
16:12:32 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
16:12:34 Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:12:46 No discussion.
16:13:01 Topic Heartbeat WDs and First Public WDs
16:13:10 Dzung_Tran has joined #html-wg
16:13:34 Target publication date is today (Jun 24) and alternate date is Mon Jun 28
16:13:47 We should be good to go today?
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16:14:13 zakim, who is on the phone?
16:14:13 On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Sam, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft], Janina, adrianba, krisk, mjs, Julian, Mike, +1.206.850.aadd, Laura_Carlson
16:14:13 MikeSmith?
16:14:15 [Microsoft] has paulc
16:14:22 MikeSmith: Are we good to go with the publications today?
16:14:50 Topic: Task Force Reports
16:14:59 A11Y TF report:
16:15:26 Janina: We discussed canvas-usemap earlier in the call (issue-105)
16:15:45 Janina: ARIA mappings sub-group has provided the TF a report
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16:16:04 zakim, +1.206.850.aadd is me
16:16:04 +Eliot; got it
16:16:13 Janina: The recommendation is to re-write a complete section (3.2.4.6?)
16:16:45 Janina: There is questiona about whether there should be individual bugs filed for each low level change in light of the desire to do a complete re-write
16:16:57 Correction: section number is 3.2.6
16:17:35 Janina: The TF feels there was little Accessibility expert input on this section and thus the desire to re-write the entire section.
16:17:53 +Rich
16:18:00 Janina: How do we do this in face of the current WG Decision Policy?
16:18:15 Janina: A11Y TF is looking for guidance.
16:18:25 Sam: The minimum is at least one bug.
16:18:47 Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100's is required.
16:19:06 Correction: Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100 is NOT required.
16:19:47 ISSUE-35: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
16:19:47 ISSUE-35 Need to define processing requirements for aria states and properties when used in html notes added
16:19:48 Title: ISSUE-35 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:19:52 ISSUE-14: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
16:19:52 ISSUE-14 Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 notes added
16:19:53 Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:03 Janina: Issues 14 and 35 might be appropriate bugs to reference. They are closed.
16:20:17 Sam: Why cannot we start with new bugs?
16:20:55 Sam: A single bug with the rationale for the entire re-write is the "minimum" required here.
16:21:21 Janina: Okay I will take this back to the TF.
16:22:02 Paul: We should be looking for the "minimum required to declare victory" AND to be in sync with the Decision Policy.
16:22:32 Janina: Working on media accessibility - the good news is that there appears to be more agreement than initially thought
16:22:59 Janina: Very please with Media Group progress.
16:23:12 Janina: Working on Drag and Drop
16:23:28 janina: Working on Access Key which is coming via PF WG.
16:23:28 -Rich
16:24:22 Janina: No ETA's on the Media Group, Drag and Drop or Access Key issue change proposals.
16:25:11 Sam: Any more discussion.
16:25:16 No more discussion
16:25:24 Testing TF report:
16:25:56 Group Meets again on 6/29
16:26:08 Kris: more activity this month
16:26:18 Philip Taylor will be submitting a very large set of canvas tests
16:26:29 Microsoft has submitted a few batches of tests for Audio, Video, Canvas, XHTML5, getElementsByClassName and Selection
16:26:36 I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
16:26:47 1 Approved test with no bugs
16:27:28 TF has about 200 and is expecting another 800 canvas tests RSN
16:28:39 I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
16:28:41 Kris: Is hoping for more approved test in the future. We need feedback on the submitted tests.
16:28:48 Topic: Any other Business
16:28:55 issue-9?
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16:28:59 ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for