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16:16:49 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
16:16:49 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
16:16:56 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:17:04 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
16:17:11 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:17:15 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:17:17 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:17:34 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Jun/0003.html
16:17:42 <aphillip> RRSagent, make minutes
16:17:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:28:58 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has now started
16:29:05 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
16:29:14 <aphillip> zakim, Addison_Phillips is aphillip
16:29:14 <Zakim> +aphillip; got it
16:29:39 <aphillip> Regrets: David Clarke?
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16:29:48 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:29:48 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:29:49 <Zakim> +Richard
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16:32:30 <Zakim> +??P11
16:32:43 <Zakim> + +972.5.225.5aaaa
16:32:44 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:32:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see aphillip, Richard, ??P11, +972.5.225.5aaaa
16:32:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fantasai
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16:35:25 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
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16:35:39 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:35:53 <aphillip> Addison: send official response to media-fragments endorsing use of IRI 
16:35:58 <aphillip> done
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16:36:28 <aphillip> David: send us text for date-time in HTML5 for WG approval and forwarding to HTML-WG 
16:36:33 <aphillip> done
16:36:45 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:36:45 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aabb
16:36:45 <Zakim> + +1.415.283.aacc
16:37:15 <Norbert> zakim, mute norbert
16:37:15 <Zakim> sorry, Norbert, I do not know which phone connection belongs to norbert
16:37:23 <Norbert> zakim, mute norbert
16:37:23 <Zakim> Norbert should now be muted
16:38:34 <aphillip> richard: today, after 2.5 days work, I released the first public preview of...
16:38:39 <r12a> http://qa-dev.w3.org/i18n-checker/
16:38:51 <aphillip> richard: and you can see it in action
16:38:53 <r12a> http://qa-dev.w3.org/i18n-checker/index?docAddr=http%3A%2F%2Frishida.net%2Ftools%2Fi18nchecker%2Ftest.php&async=true
16:38:58 <aphillip> ... with the above test page
16:39:25 <aphillip> ... rewrote logic and all text is all new and is now externalized (so can be localized)
16:39:48 <aphillip> richard: in other news, just noticed that HTML chairs have a survey on Issue-88
16:39:50 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/
16:39:57 <aphillip> ... we should all respond to that
16:40:18 <Zakim> +??P29
16:40:22 <aphillip> ACTION: all: respond to Issue-88 survey on HTML-WG at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/
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16:41:57 <aphillip> Topic: Media Fragments
16:42:12 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0151.html
16:42:23 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0153.html
16:43:22 <aphillip> addison: maybe time to update charmod-resid
16:43:30 <aphillip> addison: think they are confused about what an IRI is
16:44:06 <aphillip> Topic: Date and Time Issues in HTML5
16:44:14 <aphillip> Topic: Media Frags
16:44:28 <aphillip> david: may be confused about what utf-8 is?
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16:46:06 <aphillip> Topic: Date and Time Issues in HTML5
16:46:19 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Jun/0002.html
16:46:41 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aadd
16:46:59 <Aharon> zakim, mute me
16:46:59 <Zakim> Aharon should now be muted
16:47:46 <aphillip> addison: any objections to this text?
16:47:55 <aphillip> richard: let's send it on
16:48:00 <aphillip> +1
16:48:18 <aphillip> ACTION: david: forward date-time proposal to HTML WG
16:48:54 <aphillip> s/david:/addison:/
16:49:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:49:22 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi
16:49:29 <Aharon> zakim, unmute me
16:49:29 <Zakim> Aharon should no longer be muted
16:49:40 <aphillip> aharon: so far no action on bidi yet this week
16:50:06 <aphillip> ... need to complete my notes
16:50:15 <aphillip> ... synopsis on dir=auto
16:50:28 <aphillip> ... two things dicussed
16:50:33 <aphillip> ... 1. word count method
16:50:43 <aphillip> ... should it be simplified?
16:50:51 <aphillip> ... should modify to count chars instead of words
16:50:58 <aphillip> ... with coefficient based on ranges
16:51:12 <aphillip> ...so some scripts could have higher weights than others
16:51:36 <aphillip> ... doing work to reasearch coefficients based on real data
16:51:47 <aphillip> ... 2. proposal to support multi-paragraph text
16:52:05 <aphillip> ... where UBA uses first strong char in a para could assign
16:52:14 <aphillip> ... direction could be assigned
16:52:29 <aphillip> ... and user could have several paragraphs, say in a text area
16:52:50 <aphillip> ... such as a review in which description is in arabic but say an address is in latin text
16:52:57 <aphillip> ... display of content in a <pre> perhaps
16:53:04 <aphillip> ... owe a description of this
16:53:20 <aphillip> aharon: since then have personal serious doubts about this capability
16:53:35 <aphillip> ... think others share this concern
16:53:56 <aphillip> ... might be hard to make work well??
16:54:10 <aphillip> ... also use case might not be pursuasive?
16:55:12 <aphillip> addison: text areas just send a string with \n in the middle
16:55:33 <aphillip> aharon: yes, maybe dump and set direction per graph/line
16:55:40 <aphillip> ... without affecting dir of element
16:56:08 <aphillip> ... use case is problematic
16:56:20 <aphillip> ... may not be a text area but rather a rich text control
16:57:32 <aphillip> addison: rich text not that important since not html
16:58:35 <aphillip> ... question if UBA can't just apply, since \n triggers UBA would set dir without respect to container
16:58:56 <aphillip> aharon: not just <pre>
16:59:07 <aphillip> ... but CSS can make that happen with any element
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16:59:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:00:59 <r12a> bye addison
17:01:23 <aphillip> ScribeNick: r12a
17:01:45 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:06:31 <r12a> next steps: 
17:06:49 <r12a> 1. aharon write up summary of second day of workshop
17:07:02 <r12a> 2. aharon begin editing the Note with the new information
17:07:57 <r12a> 3. start firing of bug reports to the HTML folks
17:09:07 <r12a> http://qa-dev.w3.org/i18n-checker/
17:10:36 <Norbert> bye!
17:10:39 <Zakim> -David
17:10:40 <Zakim> -Felix
17:10:44 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:10:46 <Zakim> -andrewc
17:10:47 <Zakim> -matial
17:10:50 <Zakim> -Aharon
17:10:55 <Zakim> -Richard
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17:10:57 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has ended
17:10:59 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, Richard, +972.5.225.5aaaa, Felix, matial, +44.141.888.aabb, +1.415.283.aacc, David, Norbert, andrewc, +1.650.265.aadd, Aharon
17:11:11 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:11:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/23-core-minutes.html r12a
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