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13:03:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
13:03:01 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
13:03:07 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:   SSN XG
13:03:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair:     Laurent
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13:03:33 <michael_> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:03:33 <Zakim> +michael_; got it
13:03:58 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jun/0020.html
13:04:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Jun/0019.html
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13:05:26 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
13:05:26 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
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13:06:05 <kerry> zakim, +61.4.097.8.aaaa is me
13:06:05 <Zakim> +kerry; got it
13:07:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> Regrets: Arthur, Krzysztof 
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13:09:46 <laurent_lefort_cs> Payam will only be on the IRC - The problems with the EU bridge for Zakim are still happening 
13:10:25 <kerry> +q
13:10:49 <Payam> I am in a conference session; haven't tried the EU bridge
13:10:55 <kerry> who is pm0018?
13:11:04 <Payam> It was me :)
13:11:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: comments from last week
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13:12:06 <krp> zakim,  +44.238.059.aacc is me
13:12:06 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:12:42 <kerry> Laurent - do you want me to scribe?
13:12:48 <kerry> ok
13:13:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> sribenick: kerry
13:13:32 <kerry> ( no comments from last week)
13:14:04 <laurent_lefort_cs> 2 actions for Laurent
13:14:11 <kerry> Laurent has emailed summary of last weeks discussion. 2 actions for laurent.
13:14:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: Zakim status http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/actions/32
13:15:03 <kerry> laurent : bridge prblem continues. is out of control of W3C.
13:15:17 <laurent_lefort_cs> Action 30 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/actions/30
13:15:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 30
13:15:23 <kerry> laurent: location of ontology after the XG
13:16:09 <kerry> laurent: been in contact with W3C folks -- answer so far is a request to state what we want to do after XG close.
13:16:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> Lead to Issue-9 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/track/issues/9
13:16:31 <kerry> David kelsey: would like to see persistence in an open forum
13:16:40 <kerry> david: possibly sourceforge
13:17:09 <kerry> +q
13:17:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: time to explore options and record expressions of interest from XG participants 
13:18:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> Kerry: Discussed this with Laurent. 1st option is Member submission, 2nd option is to continue via a working group
13:18:50 <kerry> kerry: perhaps w3c member submission or start a working group?
13:18:58 <michael_> +q
13:19:03 <krp> Is what we do with the ontology version at the time of the XG close (put on the W3C site) distinct from continued development after XG close?
13:19:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: 3rd a way to continue to host the ontology 
13:19:09 <kerry> laurent: or find a way for W3C to host it
13:19:22 <michael_> +q
13:19:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack kerry
13:19:38 <kerry> -kerry
13:19:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack michael
13:20:14 <kerry> michael: is there any precedent for W3C hosting?
13:20:35 <kerry> laurent: yes. another XG has one on a W3C wiki, but this does not get the namespace right
13:21:07 <kerry> laurent: there is a 3rd party one too (epilogix??) that is being hosted on the website: the oganisation ontology
13:22:08 <kerry> krp: is the one on the wiki still being maintained?
13:22:13 <kerry> laurent: no
13:22:32 <krp> is that a technical restriction, or just that the working group is inactive now?
13:22:45 <krp> i.e. do W3C freeze the wiki one the XG is done?
13:22:46 <kerry> laurent: the epimorphics one will be -- associated with egov linked data
13:23:49 <kerry> (aside to kevin) -- I think it is a bit of both, but I'm not sure
13:24:15 <kerry> to be continued. Members to consider!
13:24:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Planning of the ontology deliverables
13:25:08 <kerry> laurent: michael explain current position and laurent to explain example he is working on.
13:25:23 <michael_> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Operating_Model
13:25:34 <michael_> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Deployments,_Systems_and_Devices
13:26:08 <kerry> michael: (with reference to email to list today) : 1st one is Payam's suggestion interpreted in OWL by Michael with an example
13:27:03 <kerry> payam: have you had a chance to look at this?
13:27:24 <kerry> (payam is not on the phone)
13:27:58 <krp> +q
13:28:04 <kerry> (no response from Payam)
13:28:34 <kerry> kevin: are any of the constraints used over different ranges or only in  a particular context?
13:29:10 <kerry> kevin: are has-constraints intended to be used only some ranges. Why not subclasses of those things?
13:29:16 <Payam> my protege couldn't open the file; I wil try it this afternoon again
13:29:55 <kerry> kevin: e.g enviromental survival range and env operating range seem to bbe specific constraints.  Is there a contraints that can be used in all places?
13:30:36 <kerry> michael: maybe... this is like what we did before.. perhaps just one constraint would do
13:31:19 <kerry> kevin: should survival and operating range be explicit or subclassed (scribe having trouble keeping up)
13:32:02 <kerry> michael: will be here for next meeting but away from email between now and then
13:32:15 <michael_> I'm not on email for the next week, but I will be attending the next conf call.
13:32:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: main page with list of examples: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Semantic_Sensor_Net_Ontology
13:32:51 <kerry> sub-topic to be carried to next meeting: participants please look at the proposals on the email list!
13:34:28 <kerry> laurent: see example in link:  have split into general example plus semantic markup example plus hydrology example
13:34:43 <kerry> laurent: we still need one for operating model
13:35:38 <kerry> micahel: yes we do
13:36:15 <kerry> laurent: is the marine/ocean envoronment different/challenging?
13:36:42 <kerry> david: could be  a good reference environment for mobility (cruise to waypoints for measurements)
13:38:27 <kerry> laurent: observation geometery and mobility maybe should be separated -- eg. to cover remote sensing vs mobile phones
13:39:02 <kerry> laurent: has also done a calibration example: does anyone have experience with this and can comment?
13:39:17 <kerry> +q
13:39:32 <kerry> (hold for next week)
13:39:43 <krp> -q
13:40:57 <kerry> -q
13:41:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Agriculture_Meteorology_Sensor_Network
13:41:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Architecture
13:41:26 <kerry> laurent: agricultural example: phenonet continued
13:45:54 <kerry> laurent: see stuff on the page linked: looking at bringing in the units and other things for this
13:47:25 <kerry> laurent: might also use product metadata nad spatial locations/coordinates from neesgrid
13:48:46 <kerry> laurent: worrying about how to put the modules in together -- have a little script to help
13:49:11 <kerry> laurent: uses the XG ontology plus externals to describe a real system.
13:50:58 <kerry> kevin: looks fine -- not quite at the level that I'm working 
13:51:48 <kerry> kevin: could yet have something to say about adapting rates depending on stuff from other sources
13:52:07 <kerry> kevin: at Soton more about the data than the sensors
13:52:28 <kerry> kevin: Spanish link re doing more low-level things
13:53:27 <kerry> laurent: looking for contributions from people looking at sensor netowrks in different ways to get coverage
13:53:49 <kerry> kevin: I might be able to contribute a calibration example, but perhaps not in the time frame
13:54:23 <kerry> kevin: upm is doing the ontology but the hardware (eslewhere in Spain) is delayed
13:54:43 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: AOB
13:54:46 <kerry> topic: aob
13:54:55 <kerry> +q
13:54:55 <krp> +q
13:56:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack kerry
13:57:27 <kerry> kerry: expecting new member from open university uk
13:57:39 <kerry> kerry: ssn10 workshop call for papers is out
13:57:55 <kerry> kevin: request for more detailed timeline up to end of the XG
13:58:45 <kerry> laurent: (brief outline of timeline) will flesh out. What happens after the XG is an important factor in this
13:59:30 <kerry> laurent: 2 rounds of ontology release plus the hard part of the report to starrt asap
13:59:53 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krp
14:00:31 <krp> bye
14:00:35 <Zakim> -michael_
14:00:37 <michael_> bye
14:00:41 <Zakim> -krp
14:00:55 <kerry> bye
14:00:59 <Zakim> -david
14:01:40 <Zakim> -kerry
14:03:36 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/micahel/michael/
14:04:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/oganisation/organisation/
14:04:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/envoronment/environment/
14:04:46 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/eslewhere/elsewhere/
14:05:20 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/Epilogix?/Epimorphics/
14:05:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/starrt/start/
14:05:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/netowrks/networks/
14:06:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/geometery/geometry/
14:06:40 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, laurent_lefort_cs, in INC_SSN()9:00AM
14:06:44 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:06:45 <Zakim> Attendees were michael_, laurent_lefort_cs, kerry, david, krp
14:07:01 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/I wil /I will/
14:07:23 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
14:07:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:07:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/22-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:08:10 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
14:09:15 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/epilogix??/epimorphics/
14:09:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/ nad / and /
14:10:15 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/bbe/be/
14:10:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:10:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/22-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:11:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/XG close/XG closes/
14:12:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/prblem/problem/
14:12:30 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:12:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/22-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:14:39 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please generate minutes
14:14:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/22-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
14:15:19 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, bye
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14:15:25 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, bye
14:15:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items