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14:55:32 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
14:55:32 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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14:56:17 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:56:17 <Norm> Date: 17 June 2010
14:56:17 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/17-agenda
14:56:17 <Norm> Meeting: 174
14:56:17 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:56:18 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:56:20 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:59:43 <Norm> Regrets: Vojtech
15:00:39 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:46 <Zakim> +[ArborText]
15:01:03 <Norm> How very punctual of you :-)
15:01:10 <Norm> zakim, what's the passcode?
15:01:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
15:01:31 <Zakim> +Norm
15:05:09 <Zakim> + +44.794.975.aaaa
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15:05:37 <Norm> zakim, aaaa is Alex
15:05:37 <Zakim> +Alex; got it
15:05:47 <ht> Sorry, just  finding a 'phone
15:09:31 <ht> zakim, code?
15:09:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ht
15:11:01 <Zakim> +??P15
15:11:09 <Norm> zakim, ??P15 is ht
15:11:09 <Zakim> +ht; got it
15:11:45 <Norm> Present: Paul, Henry, Alex, Norm
15:13:29 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:13:29 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/17-agenda
15:13:56 <Norm> Norm: Let's add my HTML/encoding question and drop 2.1 because there's nothing new today.
15:14:19 <Norm> Henry: No, there's one thing we can talk about wrt 2.1
15:14:26 <Norm> Accepted.
15:14:32 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:14:32 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/10-minutes
15:14:35 <Norm> Accepted.
15:14:40 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 24 June 2010?
15:14:56 <Norm> Paul is at risk, he'll dial in if he can.
15:15:23 <Norm> Topic: Of HTML and encodings
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15:18:29 <Norm> Some discussion of what the expected processing is for an XHTML document sent as text/html
15:18:46 <Norm> Alex: If you do this with an Reader in Java, you've already made the encoding choice. On an InputStream, you haven't.
15:19:09 <Norm> ...What processors do here is sniff if the content type isn't specified and work out the encoding from the first 200 bytes or so.
15:21:03 <ht> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2854.txt
15:21:11 <Norm> Henry: I've been looking at RFC 2854, the RFC that current governs text/html
15:22:55 <Norm> ...oddly, the RFC makes several observations but doesn't actually seem to say what to od.
15:22:59 <Norm> s/to od/to do/
15:23:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:23:36 <Zakim> -Alex
15:23:59 <alexmilowski> (I'm now on Skype)
15:26:12 <Norm> Spec exploration ensues
15:31:33 <Norm> Henry: The final note in 7.1.10.4 is clearly wrong, if there's a charset parameter it is text.
15:32:00 <ht> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
15:32:22 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to propose an erratum for the note at the end of 7.1.10.4 to add something like "without a charset"
15:32:50 <ht> Or you could have said override-content-type="text/html; charset=utf-8"
15:37:21 <Norm> Norm: Yes, I could. That might be the easiest solution, in fact.
15:37:45 <Norm> Regrets: Vojtech, Mohamed
15:39:55 <Norm> Some discussion of content transfer encoding.
15:43:09 <ht> For what it's worth, RFC2616 defines 'entity body' as the octets in the message
15:44:01 <ht> Wrong
15:44:03 <ht> "The entity-body is obtained
15:44:04 <ht>    from the message-body by decoding any Transfer-Encoding that might
15:44:04 <ht>    have been applied to ensure safe and proper transfer of the message.
15:44:05 <ht> "
15:53:21 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to propose en erratum for 7.1.10.3 to clarify that "decoded if necessary" applies to Content-Encoding headers.
15:54:37 <Norm> Henry: The .svgz documents should allow us to demonstrate the problem pretty quickly.
15:55:01 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
15:55:11 <Norm> None heard.
15:55:31 <Norm> Adjourned.
15:55:35 <Zakim> -PGrosso
15:55:36 <Zakim> -Norm
15:55:37 <Zakim> -alexmilowski
15:56:16 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:56:19 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/17-xproc-minutes.html Norm
15:57:28 <ht> Here you go: http://www.svgmaker.com/gallery/3dbar.svgz
15:57:43 <Zakim> -ht
15:57:45 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
15:57:47 <Zakim> Attendees were PGrosso, Norm, +44.794.975.aaaa, Alex, ht, [IPcaller], alexmilowski
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15:58:00 <ht> Here's the header you get for that:
15:58:12 <ht> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
15:58:12 <ht> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:56:55 GMT
15:58:12 <ht> Server: Apache
15:58:12 <ht> Last-Modified: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:12:04 GMT
15:58:12 <ht> ETag: "72d03d9-952-a80f900"
15:58:13 <ht> Accept-Ranges: bytes
15:58:15 <ht> Content-Length: 2386
15:58:17 <ht> Connection: close
15:58:19 <ht> Content-Type: image/svg+xml
15:58:21 <ht> Content-Encoding: gzip
15:59:40 <Norm> heh. Emacs is smart enough to decode that for me if I open it
15:59:46 <Norm> (I mean after saving it on th efilesystem)
16:01:03 <Norm> But (my implementation) of p:http-request, not so much
16:06:26 <ht> Hmm, despite the Accept-Header, python's httplib just gives me the gzipped bytestream
16:06:28 <ht> :-(
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