IRC log of xproc on 2010-06-17

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/17-xproc-irc
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14:55:32 [Norm]
zakim, this will be xproc
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ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 17 June 2010
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/17-agenda
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Meeting: 174
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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Regrets: Vojtech
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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+[ArborText]
15:01:03 [Norm]
How very punctual of you :-)
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zakim, what's the passcode?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
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+Norm
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+ +44.794.975.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Alex
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+Alex; got it
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Sorry, just finding a 'phone
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ht
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+??P15
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zakim, ??P15 is ht
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+ht; got it
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Present: Paul, Henry, Alex, Norm
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/17-agenda
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Norm: Let's add my HTML/encoding question and drop 2.1 because there's nothing new today.
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Henry: No, there's one thing we can talk about wrt 2.1
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Accepted.
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/06/10-minutes
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Accepted.
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 24 June 2010?
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Paul is at risk, he'll dial in if he can.
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Topic: Of HTML and encodings
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Some discussion of what the expected processing is for an XHTML document sent as text/html
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Alex: If you do this with an Reader in Java, you've already made the encoding choice. On an InputStream, you haven't.
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...What processors do here is sniff if the content type isn't specified and work out the encoding from the first 200 bytes or so.
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http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2854.txt
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Henry: I've been looking at RFC 2854, the RFC that current governs text/html
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...oddly, the RFC makes several observations but doesn't actually seem to say what to od.
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s/to od/to do/
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+[IPcaller]
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-Alex
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(I'm now on Skype)
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Spec exploration ensues
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Henry: The final note in 7.1.10.4 is clearly wrong, if there's a charset parameter it is text.
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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ACTION: Norm to propose an erratum for the note at the end of 7.1.10.4 to add something like "without a charset"
15:32:50 [ht]
Or you could have said override-content-type="text/html; charset=utf-8"
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Norm: Yes, I could. That might be the easiest solution, in fact.
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Regrets: Vojtech, Mohamed
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Some discussion of content transfer encoding.
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For what it's worth, RFC2616 defines 'entity body' as the octets in the message
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Wrong
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"The entity-body is obtained
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from the message-body by decoding any Transfer-Encoding that might
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have been applied to ensure safe and proper transfer of the message.
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"
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ACTION: Norm to propose en erratum for 7.1.10.3 to clarify that "decoded if necessary" applies to Content-Encoding headers.
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Henry: The .svgz documents should allow us to demonstrate the problem pretty quickly.
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Topic: Any other business?
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None heard.
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Adjourned.
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-PGrosso
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-Norm
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-alexmilowski
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rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/17-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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Here you go: http://www.svgmaker.com/gallery/3dbar.svgz
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-ht
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were PGrosso, Norm, +44.794.975.aaaa, Alex, ht, [IPcaller], alexmilowski
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15:58:00 [ht]
Here's the header you get for that:
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HTTP/1.1 200 OK
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:56:55 GMT
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Server: Apache
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Last-Modified: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:12:04 GMT
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ETag: "72d03d9-952-a80f900"
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Accept-Ranges: bytes
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Content-Length: 2386
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Connection: close
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Content-Type: image/svg+xml
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Content-Encoding: gzip
15:59:40 [Norm]
heh. Emacs is smart enough to decode that for me if I open it
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(I mean after saving it on th efilesystem)
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But (my implementation) of p:http-request, not so much
16:06:26 [ht]
Hmm, despite the Accept-Header, python's httplib just gives me the gzipped bytestream
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:-(
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