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16:22:50 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
16:22:50 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
16:22:57 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:23:07 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
16:23:13 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:23:17 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:23:23 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:23:37 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Jun/0001.html
16:23:43 <aphillip> Regrets: Aharon
16:23:49 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:23:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
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16:34:19 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:34:30 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:34:34 <Zakim> +Richard
16:35:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:35:52 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
16:36:07 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:36:25 <aphillip> addison: create semi-empty page for Calendar discussion with DAP 
16:36:33 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CalendarVariations
16:36:50 <aphillip> Richard to send email to HTML5 about bidi meeting 
16:37:00 <aphillip> stale
16:37:18 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:37:46 <aphillip> richard: css list buzzing with i18n topics
16:37:51 <aphillip> ... long thread on vertical textg
16:37:58 <aphillip> ... some discussions on bidi
16:38:01 <aphillip> .. and on list style type
16:38:08 <aphillip> s/textg/text/
16:38:22 <aphillip> addison: good to look on that
16:38:32 <aphillip> s/look on/look in on/
16:38:52 <aphillip> richard: localization world talk
16:39:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:39:07 <r12a>  http://bit.ly/alHFkl
16:39:44 <aphillip> richard: good talk on ITS and XLIFF
16:39:53 <aphillip> ... also a good one on IDNs and TLDs
16:39:59 <fsasaki> s/good talk/good talk by Christian Lieske/
16:39:59 <aphillip> ..., but small audience
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16:40:30 <aphillip> Topic: Media Fragment Track Names
16:40:42 <aphillip>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html
16:40:54 <aphillip>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0150.html
16:41:41 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-media-frags-20100413/#naming-track
16:42:42 <fsasaki> see also discussion at media fragment WG list - they are considering to reformulate in terms of 3987 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jun/0025.html
16:42:59 <fsasaki> s/reformulate /reformulate the production /
16:44:21 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/charmod-resid/
16:46:38 <aphillip> (addison pleads for additional IRI editors)
16:49:40 <Zakim> + +212.53.777.aadd
16:50:39 <aphillip> "recommend use of IRI to all working groups; please come back for a review when ready"
16:51:12 <aphillip> "RFC 3987 or its successor"
16:52:00 <aphillip> richard: point out that percent escaping not very legible
16:52:10 <aphillip> ... especially for non-Latin scripts
16:52:43 <aphillip> ACTION: Addison: send official response to media-fragments endorsing use of IRI
16:53:11 <aphillip> Topic: Date and Time Issues in HTML5
16:53:20 <aphillip>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010May/0012.html
16:53:59 <aphillip> david: how to we send along?
16:54:58 <DavidClarke> When a date or a time input field is defined, the input type should normally be of the type \ldblquote date\rdblquote  or \ldblquote datetime\rdblquote . \ldblquote datetime-local\rdblquote  or \ldblquote date-local\rdblquote  should be sued only when the date or time would be meaningful without a timezone, such as a birthday, publication date or on an alarm clock, as they contain incomplete information.
16:54:59 <DavidClarke> There are dangers of using \ldblquote datetime-local\rdblquote  and \ldblquote date-local\rdblquote  to specify the occurrence of an event. If used in this way, they must be manipulated in a context that includes relevant external data. Their values may not be meaningfully compared or assigned to data types that include timezone information. Validation and interpretation of such fields would be problematic. For example when Dayl
16:54:59 <DavidClarke> ight Saving Time applies, certain times would exist twice in the same locale, when clocks \ldblquote go back\rdblquote , and other times would never exist in a locale, when clocks \ldblquote go forwards\rdblquote .
16:56:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
16:58:03 <aphillip> ACTION: David: send us text for date-time in HTML5 for WG approval and forwarding to HTML-WG
16:58:19 <aphillip> David has potential regrets for next week
16:58:34 <aphillip> Topic: Bidi WG Note progress
16:58:55 <aphillip> mati: (summary of f2f)
16:59:06 <aphillip> ... good meeting; 3 factors
16:59:22 <aphillip> ... arahon organized good setup (thanks to him)
16:59:43 <aphillip> ... aharon prepared summary documents to start from
17:00:01 <aphillip> ... participants were quite knowledgeable and knew details
17:00:15 <aphillip> ... good and lively discussions, very efficient
17:00:24 <aphillip> ... good results
17:00:38 <aphillip> mati: results were set of decisions that aharon is working on documenting
17:00:47 <aphillip> ... should publish by end of the week or early next week
17:00:53 <aphillip> ... he just returned home
17:01:06 <aphillip> ... or returning home
17:01:34 <aphillip> mati: notes being polished for publication
17:01:41 <aphillip> ... target is HTML5 and CSS WGs
17:02:22 <aphillip> ... many organizations represented
17:03:02 <aphillip> mati: decisions seemed good to me, based on consensus
17:03:25 <aphillip> ... people were able to reach agreement after discussion from various points of view
17:03:34 <aphillip> ... requiremetns and suggestions for working groups
17:04:05 <aphillip> mati: after 2 days clear that we wouldn't complete everything and so added a third day
17:04:14 <aphillip> ... many but not all were able to participate
17:04:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:04:30 <najib> zakim, mute me
17:04:30 <Zakim> Najib should now be muted
17:05:15 <aphillip> mati: most contentious part (algorithm to use for auto-dir)... unable
17:05:31 <aphillip> ... to reach closure. Aharon getting some data from google
17:05:49 <aphillip> ... degree of complexity was pretty high
17:06:03 <aphillip> ... efficiency maybe not very good
17:06:08 <najib> Zakime, unmute me
17:06:19 <najib> zakim, unmute me
17:06:19 <Zakim> Najib should no longer be muted
17:06:30 <aphillip> ... will soon get statistics on real data to find where good price/performance would be
17:06:56 <aphillip> mati: on other parts some "final" decisions for our WG Note's proposals
17:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:07:21 <aphillip> ... also some points for JS/Webapps WGs
17:09:01 <aphillip> najib: browser right-justify text in RTL mode
17:09:08 <aphillip> ... this is not in HTML4
17:09:14 <aphillip> ... but probably should be in HTML5
17:09:51 <aphillip> richard: isn't this in our WG note draft? don't recall
17:10:03 <aphillip> addison: we need to check on that
17:10:54 <aphillip> if dir=rtl then text-align=right
17:11:51 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:12:22 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
17:12:24 <Zakim> -Felix
17:12:25 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:12:25 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:12:28 <Zakim> -Richard
17:12:30 <Zakim> -Najib
17:12:36 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:12:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:12:39 <Zakim> -matial
17:12:40 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM has ended
17:12:41 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, +44.141.888.aaaa, DavidClarke, +1.408.349.aabb, Norbert, +972.5.225.5aacc, matial, Richard, [IPcaller], Felix, +212.53.777.aadd, Najib
17:12:56 <aphillip> Present: addison, richard, norbert, mati, david, najib
17:13:02 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:13:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html aphillip
17:13:14 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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17:13:20 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:13:20 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-actions.rdf :
17:13:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison: send official response to media-fragments endorsing use of IRI [1]
17:13:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-irc#T16-52-43
17:13:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David: send us text for date-time in HTML5 for WG approval and forwarding to HTML-WG [2]
17:13:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-irc#T16-58-03