IRC log of ws-ra on 2010-06-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 15 June 2010
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- +Bob_Freund
- 19:29:09 [dug]
- bonjour
- 19:29:21 [Vikas]
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- I am using full dns
- 19:29:35 [dug]
- ah, no w3c today
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- + +1.571.262.aaaa
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- 19:30:16 [dug]
- 571 is loud :-)
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- +[Microsoft]
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- + +1.831.713.aabb
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- +Wu_Chou
- 19:31:19 [Vikas]
- Zakim, aaaa is Vikas
- 19:31:19 [Zakim]
- +Vikas; got it
- 19:31:42 [gpilz]
- did they really need to stick the "context" into "customized, Compunetics, conferencing system" ?
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- +Tom_Rutt
- 19:32:07 [dug]
- No sympathy from me: http://bronx.ny1.com/content/top_stories/120391/claim--bronx-students-forced-to-clean-school-toilets
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- 19:32:20 [dug]
- its a punishment! geez.
- 19:32:45 [Bob]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0007.html
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- + +1.800.456.aacc
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- present+ Rick Landau
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- zakim, aacc is Rick
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- +Rick; got it
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- + +3531803aadd
- 19:35:08 [dug]
- zakim, aadd is Martin
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- +Martin; got it
- 19:36:33 [Bob]
- scribe: Ashok
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0007.html
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- scribenick: Ashok
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- Topic: Agenda\
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- Agenda accepted
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- Topic: Opening
- 19:38:34 [Zakim]
- + +44.196.281.aaee
- 19:38:40 [dug]
- zakim, aaee is Katy
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- +Katy; got it
- 19:38:51 [Ashok]
- Toopic: Minutes from June 8
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- Approval of minutes of 2010-06-08
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- Approved w/o objection
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- Topic: Advance Soap Assertions to Last Call? http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ws-soap-assertions-20100608/
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- Bob: Any objections?
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- No objections. Document will be published as Last Call document
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- Bob: How long shd last call be?
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- ... 3 orb 4 weeks
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- s/orb/or/
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- No objections to 3 week Last Call.
- 19:41:06 [Bob]
- http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all
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- Topic: Need short abstracts for spec directory examples at http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all
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- Bob: Who will volunteer to write abstracts?
- 19:42:07 [Ashok]
- Doug: I'll take a stab at it
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- + +39.331.574.aaff
- 19:43:18 [asoldano]
- Zakim, aaff is asoldano
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- +asoldano; got it
- 19:43:24 [dug]
- action: Doug to write up some abstracts
- 19:43:24 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-166 - Write up some abstracts [on Doug Davis - due 2010-06-22].
- 19:44:16 [Ashok]
- Topic: Heartbeat
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- 1-Issue-9610 Eventing: Support WS-Management's heartbeat events http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 -wsman
- 19:44:23 [Tom_Rutt]
- q+
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- q+
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html
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- ack tom
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- proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html
- 19:46:03 [gpilz]
- q+
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- TomRutt: Simplify d ... always send msg at regular intervals
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- q+
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- WuChou: Using count may not good idea
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack wu
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- q+
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- q+
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- -Martin
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- +Martin_Chapman
- 19:49:09 [Ashok]
- TomRutt: Agrees with Wu
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- Rick: We would like to withdraw proposal
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- ... WS-Man would like to use it's existing mechanism
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- q-
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- q-
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- ... also \remove GetStatus option
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- s/\remove/remove/
- 19:51:18 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- Doug: Proposal is worthy of consideration for a primer ... later
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- +1
- 19:51:51 [gpilz]
- zakim, where is the echo coming from?
- 19:51:51 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, gpilz.
- 19:52:02 [dug]
- zakim, who is noisy?
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- q+
- 19:52:15 [Zakim]
- dug, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Rutt (87%), Ashok_Malhotra (8%), Martin_Chapman (65%)
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- zakim, mute martin
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- Martin_Chapman should now be muted
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- q+
- 19:52:50 [dug]
- LOL poor martin
- 19:52:52 [Ashok]
- TomRutt: We dod not need to remove what we have or not add a more general feature
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- s/dod/do/
- 19:53:55 [Bob]
- ack gp
- 19:54:10 [dug]
- its a miracle!
- 19:54:17 [MartinC]
- its also true
- 19:54:45 [Ashok]
- Gil: Keep alive is worse than heartbeat
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- ... increases shared state by a lot
- 19:56:19 [dug]
- q-
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- Rick: The keep-alive uses a maximum interval. If you implement as regular heartbeat the max interval never exceeded
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- ... can be implemented by alarm clock
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- ... no need to keep distributed state
- 19:58:15 [dug]
- +1 to cwna and remove
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- Bob: Proposal to CNA and remove ... Option f.
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- q+
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- ... remove verify
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- TomRutt: Lets not take away what we have ... meets a general need
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- Bob: Do you want option e rather than f?
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- ack dug
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- Doug: Disagrees. No need for what we added. That was for WS-Man. Will cause confusion
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- ok, lets pick one
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- e or f
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- zakim, pick one
- 20:01:08 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'pick one', Bob
- 20:01:16 [Ashok]
- Doug: Maybe we can add later
- 20:02:10 [MartinC]
- who is going to implement getstatus?
- 20:02:18 [Ashok]
- Allesio: f
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- IBM: f
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- Microsoft: f
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- Fujistu: e
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- SoftwareAG: f
- 20:03:10 [dug]
- not just good work but great work :-)
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- Avaya: abstain
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- Oracle: f
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- Bob: We pick f
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- ack
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- rr
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- RESOLUTION: Issue is resolved by removing the verify feature and reverting to oroginal state
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- s/Issue/Issue 9610/
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- Topic: Issue 9609
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- proposal at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=887
- 20:06:39 [Ashok]
- 2-Issue-9609 Enum: Support WS-Management's optimization of Enumerations with small result sets http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9609 -wsman proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0006.html and in the bug list
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- TomRutt: Any changes to response to existing spec?
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- Rick: Yes
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- s/to/in/
- 20:08:38 [dug]
- q+
- 20:08:49 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 20:09:09 [Ashok]
- Doug: Looks like a large premature optimization
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- ... prefer to make pull an explicit enumerate
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- Bob: This is what we agreed to
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- q+
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- ack tom
- 20:10:45 [gpilz]
- q+
- 20:10:52 [Ashok]
- TomRutt: Then why do we need enumerate
- 20:11:00 [gpilz]
- q-
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- q+
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- Doug: You would have a choice on the pull
- 20:11:26 [Bob]
- ack gp
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- q+
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- q-
- 20:12:36 [Ashok]
- Gil: Can we change to pull-enumerate?
- 20:12:47 [Tom_Rutt]
- q
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- Bob: Let's leave issue of the name aside to the time being
- 20:13:39 [dug]
- I'd be willing to writeup the proposal
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- ... would this meet your needs ... first pull alsways enumerate
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- Bob: Can you write the proposal?
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- Doug: Yes
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- s/can/Doug, Can/
- 20:16:21 [Ashok]
- Topic: 3-Issue-9781 WS-Eventing: mandates only subscribe/unsubscribe http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9781 -Li
- 20:16:33 [Ashok]
- Li: Explains issue
- 20:18:22 [dug]
- q+
- 20:18:43 [dug]
- LOL
- 20:19:43 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 20:19:56 [Ashok]
- Wu: make only subscribe/unsubscribe as manadtory all else optional
- 20:20:06 [wuchou]
- q+
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- Doug: Should not get rid of GetStatus
- 20:20:21 [Bob]
- ack wu
- 20:20:45 [dug]
- q+
- 20:21:41 [gpilz]
- q+
- 20:21:47 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 20:22:06 [Ashok]
- Doug: Other mechanisms are not described in the spec
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- ... defends GetStatus
- 20:22:22 [Tom_Rutt]
- q+
- 20:22:43 [Bob]
- ack gp
- 20:22:47 [Ashok]
- ... cost is negligible
- 20:23:34 [Ashok]
- Gil: Impl cost of GetStatus is low
- 20:23:47 [Ashok]
- ... optional features in the spec are bad
- 20:24:07 [Bob]
- ack tom
- 20:24:08 [Ashok]
- ... Support GetStatus
- 20:24:15 [Ashok]
- TomRutt: +1
- 20:24:39 [Ashok]
- ... GetStatus is fundamental
- 20:25:14 [Ashok]
- Bob: So we agree we can drop Renew
- 20:25:52 [Ashok]
- Doug: I don't think Renew is that critical but easy to implement
- 20:26:30 [Tom_Rutt]
- +1 to dug on keeping renew
- 20:26:41 [Ashok]
- Bob: You want to keep the whole set
- 20:26:58 [Ashok]
- Wu: Originally Renew and GetStatus were optional
- 20:27:30 [Ashok]
- Bob: Any objection toclosing with no action
- 20:27:51 [Ashok]
- Wu: We would like only 2 operations subscribe/unsubscribe
- 20:28:13 [Tom_Rutt]
- q+
- 20:30:18 [Bob]
- ack tom
- 20:30:23 [Ashok]
- TomRutt: Optionality is evil
- 20:30:40 [gpilz]
- +1 to Tom
- 20:30:43 [dug]
- +1 to tom
- 20:30:57 [asoldano]
- +1
- 20:30:58 [Ashok]
- ... cost to implement is very low
- 20:31:23 [Ashok]
- Bob: CNA?
- 20:31:46 [Ashok]
- No objections. Issue closed with no action
- 20:31:47 [dug]
- status of WSDL pointers?
- 20:32:24 [Ashok]
- RESOLUTION: Issue 9781 closed with no action
- 20:32:49 [Ashok]
- Topic: -Issue-8284 All: references to WSDL 1.1 should be to BP-corrected version http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284 -Pilz (BP 1.2 and 2.0 status)
- 20:33:01 [Ashok]
- Ram: There will a proposal soon.
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- - +1.831.713.aabb
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- -Vikas
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- bye
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- -Wu_Chou
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- -Rick
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- -Martin_Chapman
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- -asoldano
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- -Bob_Freund
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- -Doug_Davis
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- -[Microsoft]
- 20:33:24 [Bob]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 20:33:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- -Katy
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were Doug_Davis, Bob_Freund, +1.571.262.aaaa, [Microsoft], +1.831.713.aabb, Wu_Chou, Vikas, Tom_Rutt, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.800.456.aacc, Rick, +3531803aadd, Martin,
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- ... +44.196.281.aaee, Katy, +39.331.574.aaff, asoldano, Martin_Chapman
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