<TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html

<mhausenblas> I have to send last minutes regrets, sorry

<ww> could someone remind me of the keybindings for mute/unmute?

<jodi> ww: Conferees can mute themselves by dialing 61#. In that case, unmute is 60#.

<jodi> ww: from http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot

<ww> jodi: ty

<digikim> hello

<digikim> ok, I just called in

<digikim> Kim Viljanen

<TomB> Scribe: JonP

<TomB> Scribenick: JonP

<digikim> (first time using this + first time calling with skype to ordinary phone so still learning + first time installed skype on this new computer, so configuration not done) :)

<AlexanderH> 61#

http://www.mibbit.com/chat/#lld@irc.w3.org:6665

<edsu> JonP: tweet it

<Nico> hi everyone

<jodi> Or -- with the channel Mibbit direct link to share with those not on IRC: http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.w3.org:6665&channel=%23lld

<Nico> I'm trying to join telecon :)

<digikim> I'm using http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc -- working ok (didn't have time to join by my ordinary irc client)

<digikim> must I mute myself also from the phone conference system or is skype mute enough?

<kai> if your line is not noisy, skype mute should be ok

<digikim> kai: ok, great

Administrative

RESOLUTION: accept minutes of previous telecon

<Nico> I can't join the conference room

<jodi> Those minutes are here btw: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html

<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons

Antoine: discussing generated minutes process

<Nico> code has changed since last week ?

TomB: Part of our routine should be to include a link in the minutes to the wiki page
... Introductions redux

<digikim> I was not

<jodi> yes, I was here last time

<ahoughton> Andrew Houghton, OCLC

<digikim> hello all & world :)

<kai> I was here but did not introduce myself

<antoine> William: Open knowledge foundation

<GordonD> i.m currently working with rdf representations of frbr, frad and isbd (ifla standards) and rda, vmf and other related stuff - i'm also a practicing cataloguer of 25 years experience

<jneubert> Joachim Neubert, German National Library of Economics

<jodi> (please add to action items -- "send introduction to listserv" -- and specify which one ;) )

TomB: mailing lists

<gneher> Guenther Neher, Universitiy of Applied Sciences Potsdam, interested in educational aspects

<digikim> Kim Viljanen, Aalto University (Helsinki, Finland); interested in Linked Open Data; ontology repositories; our research group has been working on e.g. cultural heritage, health, government, etc etc + ontologies + apps + etc

TomB: 2 lists, one specifically focused on the work of the XG

<digikim> http://www.seco.tkk.fi (our research group: Semantic Computing Research Group SeCo)

<Nico> yes I am in

TomB: the other is completely open for community participation
... cross-posting is encouraged

<scribe> ACTION: All group members should please post and introduction to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action01]

<antoine> ACTION: Antoine to clean up mailing list on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

<digikim> :)

<digikim> who is an experienced scribent?

TomB: scribing duties will rotate. Everyone scribes unless Tom grants an indulgence

Use Cases

<jodi> Here is said email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0040.html

Antoine: sent a message to start the process of gathering use cases

<digikim> (antoine's sound is slightly distorted... difficult to hear...)

<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to add actions

<digikim> I can hear you

Antoine: key is feedback from the broader community for incorporation into the use case document

<Zakim> jneubert, you wanted to ask about the type of use cases

jneubert: challenging or typical use cases?

Antoine: both -- open to both kinds

<Zakim> emmanuelle_, you wanted to ask about use case methodology

Antoine: We will write the use cases ourselves based on gathered use cases from the community

<TomB> Semantic Web Usage Cases: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/

emmanuelle_: should the use cases follow the form of the semantic web use cases

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest that SWEO use cases might set the bar too high

Antoine: we should focus on use cases more specific to our community

TomB: the SWEO use cases are quite polished
... and may be more than we need
... we want to capture work in progress, as problems emerge, and are simpler/shorter than SWEO

<ahoughton> +1

<jeff> +1

<oreste> +1

<gneher> +1

<fsasaki> +1

Antoine: consensus seems to be emerging :-)

<edsu> +1

<jneubert> i'd love to contribute

<GordonD> i am happy to contribute some embryonic use cases

michaelp: contributing or curating use cases?

<kcoyle> http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/ has some cataloging use cases/ site seems down

<digikim> Antoine: I would be interested, but I'm not yet completely sure about the goals of this XG (first meeting for me today)

<Nico> Do we focus on library use cases or "border lines" are accepted too ?

Antoine: it depends on who is interested. We should first determine who will be performing the editor role

<TomB> http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/ is available

<jodi> kai++ framing details useful

<Zakim> kai, you wanted to recommend as first step some framing details about the use cases to gather

<GordonD> Has the bristol bridge gone down - I've been cut off

Antoine: it would seem that the XG wouldn't restrict the use cases initially

<oreste> I think we should emphasize the usefulness of Linked Data in multidisciplinary approach. In this sense, border line UC should be considered

<TomB> +1 that the first step should be to define the framework for use cases

<emmanuelle_> +1

<Andras> Gordon: I am also using Bristol

kai: we should decide whether we want to create a template for submitted use cases
... as a first step. There is one that could be used from the Prov XG

<jodi> oreste++ very interested in supporting collaboration outside library+obvious partners

<ww> GordonD: I am on the bristol bridge, no problems here

<scribe> ACTION: Antoine and kai to prepare a template for use cases. Kai to contibute a template from the provinance group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action03]

Antoine: is the timeline in the agenda acceptable?

<AlexanderH> +1

TomB: suggest we consider this a strawman timeline and refine as we go

<jeff> +1

<kai> +1

Karen Demo

<digikim> +1

karen: we need something that we can use to take the lld work on the road

KCoyle: looking to create some visualizations and presentations

<rsinger> can you reuse things on slideshare?

<rsinger> i mean, individual slides...

TomB: Powerpoint? First step is to create a wiki page and upload existing presentations

<kai> +1 for openoffice

<edsu> yeah, maybe not ... i guess just putting them on the wiki is fine

<AlexanderH> you can download slides as registered user

TomB: an opportunity to create public slides, Creative Commons attribution to this group

<jodi> edsu: I think putting them on the wiki, and copying elsewhere (e.g. slideshare) would be useful

<edsu> it's a really good idea

<oreste> openoffice or slidy (and having a pdf version, too)

<antoine> I wonder whether slideshare license policy is compatible with W3C one

<scribe> ACTION: TomB and KCoyle will create a page for presentations and will upload some slides [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action04]

<edsu> so i don't have to make any slides for my presentation next week :-)

<rsinger> edsu++ # that was my plan, too

<jodi> ah, slidy is awesome: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy/ -- can link to particular slides

<ww> jodi: +1

<edsu> rsinger: ok we've got laziness down, now we just need some hubris and impatience :-)

KCoyle: presentations in multiple formats, multiple languages, some simpler than others
... trying to present familiar information in an unfamiliar way

Next steps

<jodi> wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics

TomB: we have a wiki page that is a brain dump of relevant topics
... everyone should feel free to use the wiki to add items to the list
... we should be looking to consolidate some of these items into task groups

telecons

TomB: we should hold June telecons even though it can be tough for some of us

summer telecons

TomB: there's a doodle link for people to indicate availability for July and August

<digikim> Antoine: +1

<scribe> ACTION: all group members should please go to http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy - indicate your availability [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action05]

<edsu> only a handful of people on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Topics&action=history

<antoine> ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]

<edsu> tbaker, ebermes, mzeng, jschneider, jneubert

<jeff> +1

<antoine> +1

<rsinger> +1

<ww> +1

<emmanuelle_> +1

<kai> +1

<digikim> +1

<AlexanderH> +1

<scribe> ACTION: ALL: members of the XG please add your name to the topics list to indicate where their interests lie [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action07]

Face 2 face

<digikim> is the travel costs funded by W3C or our own organizations? (newbie question)

<antoine> no :-(

<antoine> it should be your own org

<digikim> ok

TOMB: propose meeting be held Saturday and Sunday 2324 October in Pittsburgh

<antoine> ... but we link it to a nice motivating pair of conferences :-)

<digikim> antoine: yep, noticed :)

<jodi> colocated with ASIST: http://www.asis.org/asist2010/ and DC2010: http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/

<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on SWIB conf

<scribe> ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your availability for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html#action08]

<edsu> shoot, overlaps with ipres this year

<kcoyle> the one in koln?

<TomB> edsu, when is ipres?

<digikim> Antoine: SWIB 2010 would be good meeting place

<kai> +1 for SWIB

<jodi> SWIB 2010: http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html

<kai> Someone on JCDL/ICALD?

<edsu> +1 for SWIB as parallel venue

<digikim> (antoine: no I was trying to suggest ISWC as an additional possibility)

<Andras> or ECDL 2010: http://www.ecdl2010.org/ ?

<fsasaki> +1 for SWIB as well

<edsu> whew, thanks :-)

<ww> +1 swib

<emmanuelle_> no overlap with IPRES, its in september

<rsinger> can there be more options of dates in that week?

<rsinger> i mean, more aligned with DC2010 than ASIST?

TomB: we can explore alternative options to Pittsburgh in addition to indicating availability
... upcoming topics

<kcoyle> +1 swib

Community building and outreach: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RelatedGroups

<digikim> thank you & bye

Assessment of technology pieces and vocabularies: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Technology

<ww> thank you everyone.

<edsu> no reason why we can't stay on the irc channel :-)

<oreste> bye bye

<edsu> if things come up, and you sit at a computer all day

<hvdsomp> +1 for SWIB. this group should present there.

[adjourned]

<hvdsomp> -hvdsomp

<antoine> ACTION: ALL: Flag July/August availability at http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]

<hvdsomp> Zakim -hvdsomp

<jodi> bye :)

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